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Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:21:31 -0700) it happened Greg Crinklaw wrote in : Marx @ www.paf.li wrote: You might just as well claim the earth is flat (or do you...?). Nobody ever claimed that: why do you ask something as idiotic? Because you made a claim about temperatures that is equally, if not more idiotic. You have such a profound lack of knowledge of basic principles and observations that you can't see what is obvious to everyone else. And you have the nerve to denigrate us for it! But I guess you'd have to, otherwise you'd be forced to face what an idiot you are. & now, to stay on topic, come back & tell us about the reasons of all the misfortunes of the Mars missions. Certainly. The problem Spirit suffered is in the flash memory. That would be a bit premature do you not think? Could be a hardware error like broken or cracked PCB during bouncing, ripped cable, oxidized connections, ANY other electronic component, dry joint (soldering), stupid software design bug (we had that before), or bugs bunny pulling a plug. Didn't you know? Greg was on the software dev team. Don |
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Greg Crinklaw wrote: An update on the Spirit problem from today's press conference: the most likely problem is that they simply had too many files stored in the flash memory, overloading the RAM required to handle them all. Like someobody suggested, they simply weren't deleting their files often enough. Damned software engineers! ;-) Get rid of the file generation crap; but, oh, no. Poor kiddies might have to do some thinking. We are breeding only these kinds of users. If that is the problem she should be completely restored to full use. I can't believe that could have been the problem. Hush, Uncle! snip /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. |
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Greg Crinklaw wrote: wrote: Get rid of the file generation crap; but, oh, no. Poor kiddies might have to do some thinking. We are breeding only these kinds of users. If that is the problem she should be completely restored to full use. I can't believe that could have been the problem. Hush, Uncle! Sorry, I can't make any sense at all out of your comments. That's OK. Most of them are inside jokes to sci.physics and an old farts club. And it's 13:30; I just finished breakfast; I should be eating lunch. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. |
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An update on the Spirit problem from today's press conference: the most
likely problem is that they simply had too many files stored in the flash memory, overloading the RAM required to handle them all. Like someobody suggested, they simply weren't deleting their files often enough. Damned software engineers! ;-) If that is the problem she should be completely restored to full use. But it will take them some time to finally reproduce and understand the problem on the ground, and then they will have to fully test the onboard systems. After that it should be time to get rolling again. Greg Crinklaw wrote: understand it's common use in English). The most likely reason for the problem Spirit encountered is a gamma ray hit on or near the memory Brain said "cosmic ray" fingers types "gamma ray." -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools Software for the Observer: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Skyhound Observing Pages: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html To reply remove spleen |
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"Greg Crinklaw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
... An update on the Spirit problem from today's press conference: the most likely problem is that they simply had too many files stored in the flash memory, overloading the RAM required to handle them all. We hear about Greg being on that programming team & now you sit there & tell us that such a contingency wasn't assessed, evaluated & programmed for? Do the money providers know about such awful - no: criminal - carelessness? Like someobody suggested, they simply weren't deleting their files often enough. Damned software engineers! ;-) If that is the problem she should be completely restored to full use. But it will take them some time to finally reproduce and understand the problem on the ground, and then they will have to fully test the onboard systems. After that it should be time to get rolling again. Greg Crinklaw wrote: understand it's common use in English). The most likely reason for the problem Spirit encountered is a gamma ray hit on or near the memory O yeah? On ground after landing? What does the gamma ray detector say to that & what were the results of the gamma ray bombardments in the design stage? Brain said "cosmic ray" fingers types "gamma ray." Obviously these so-called end-of-the-edge state-of-the-art must be the brain children of a special class of nincompoops. If not & insist having done their homework they should go & study the Logical Qualitative EVU System in www.paf.li/perceptions.htm & start thinking about the effects from the predicted conditions depending on distance of celestial bodies from the sun (eg absolute zero temperature of Mars-bound ca -418°C, _cf_ http://www.paf.li/erkenntnisse.htm#_Toc481110371) & of substance-bound Variable Gravity (_cf_ http://www.paf.li/perceptions.htm#_Toc2338380 & http://www.paf.li/gravitation_experiment.htm) might have on their earth-bound gadgets. |
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Marx @ www.paf.li wrote:
"Greg Crinklaw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... An update on the Spirit problem from today's press conference: the most likely problem is that they simply had too many files stored in the flash memory, overloading the RAM required to handle them all. We hear about Greg being on that programming team & now you sit there & tell us that such a contingency wasn't assessed, evaluated & programmed for? Do the money providers know about such awful - no: criminal - carelessness? For the record I'm not on any programming team but my own. That was just a joke somebody made (complete with smiley). You clearly have diminished capabilities when it comes to reading comprehension, if not comprehension in general. Complex systems can behave in unexpected ways in the real world, no matter how much testing you do. That's just a fact of life in the software world. What counts is that they took every precaution to make sure that any problem would not end the mission. You have less than zero credibility, so your accusations carry no weight. You should really go back to taking your meds now. I'm a nincompoop just because I mistyped something? Has some of your self esteem been restored now? Get a clue and join the real world. That might solve your real problem. Ok, now go crawl back into whatever cave you crawled out of. -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools Software for the Observer: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Skyhound Observing Pages: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html To reply remove spleen |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:10:04 +0200, Anthony Ayiomamitis
wrote: Again, Again, I have the news alert I received from them with the title I mentioned in my previous message. Would you like me to email it to you? The subject heading of the bulletin in my mailbox is "NEWSFLASH: Contact lost with Spirit Mars Rover". http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/status.html did NOT announce "Spirit communication lost!" as you have asserted. You posted a misrepresentation of their coverage, and then went out I did not misrepresent anything .... I have their news bulletin! Very nice. However, such a statement has not appeared on their site. and grabbed a sensationalist CNN headline to back up your false assertion. Bad monkey. Before making accusations, trying reading! It is SpaceFlight Now who used "NEWSFLASH: Contact lost with Spirit Mars Rover" along with similar headlines from CNN and MSN. Perhaps you should have had the foresight to actually read the report before repeating an incorrect sensationalist headline in the ng. The latest word from NASA, as reported on Space Flight Now, is ""We are cautiously encouraged," JPL director Charles Elachi said...." Also check the SpaceFlight Now bulletin on their web site at 1750 GMT .... they state "After a day of troubleshooting, engineers have not yet been able to restore communications with the Spirit rover, which stopped beaming back science and engineering data Wednesday." What do you think "not been able to restore communications" mean????? Because I have taken the time to read the story, I think it means that they had not, to that point, been able to restore the normal transfer of data. Doing some more careful reading of the Space Flight Now stories, it appears that the loss of communication SFN is talking about was between Mars Odyssey and Spirit. If so, then it seems you have taken a specific case and applied it generally, and in a sensational manner. I feel that does a disservice to the site. For my part, I have been following the mission on the SFN website almost exclusively of other sources, and do not wish to see you discredit them as being sensationalist. In my experience thus far, they have been anything but. Anthony. You should lose the HTML sig, this is a text newsgroup. |
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"Marx @ www.paf.li" wrote: "Greg Crinklaw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... An update on the Spirit problem from today's press conference: the most likely problem is that they simply had too many files stored in the flash memory, overloading the RAM required to handle them all. We hear about Greg being on that programming team & now you sit there & tell us that such a contingency wasn't assessed, evaluated & programmed for? Do the money providers know about such awful - no: criminal - carelessness? Do you keep your disk cleaned up or do you wait until you have to clean it up? I'll by one of my pennies that you wait until it becomes necessary. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. |
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