A Apollo reconsat?

What if a Apollo couldn't make TLI?
Well it _did_ have those lunar mapping cameras aboard on the later
flights, and those _could_ photograph Earth from orbit... but there was
a downside to doing that.
Dwayne Day's new article on The Space Review:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1380/1

Pat

In sci.space.history Pat Flannery wrote:
Well it _did_ have those lunar mapping cameras aboard on the later
flights, and those _could_ photograph Earth from orbit... but there
was a downside to doing that.

You mean they might have caught Brezhnev in a squat with his pants
down outside his dacha?-)

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Rick Jones wrote:
You mean they might have caught Brezhnev in a squat with his pants
down outside his dacha?-)


Well, that would be a bottomside if not a downside. ;-)
I don't know if you've ever read about this, but something along those
lines provided one of the few moments of levity during the Cuban missile
crisis. The CIA was having a hard time explaining to Kennedy what the
meant about the missile launch sites having so many "operational"
launchpads, and the number of those pads being "occupied" (i.e - having
a missile on them ready to go)... so they showed him a aerial
reconnaissance photo taken of a roofless Cuban outhouse at one of the
missile sites showing its individual toilets, one of which had a soldier
sitting on it.
"This outhouse is operational; it has six pads, one of which is occupied."
"Ah, now I understand." replied Kennedy with a chuckle.
In Days article, it's pointed out that making public detailed photos of
Earth taken from orbit was going to open a whole can of worms regarding
our officially secret, but widely suspected reconnaissance satellite
programs.


Pat

OM wrote:
You mean they might have caught Brezhnev in a squat with his pants
down outside his dacha?-)


...Boy, would his face have been red if that had happened?

OM


How could you tell the difference after all the booze?
I'll say one thing for him though... he had more hair in his eyebrows at
his death than a lot of men have on their whole head at theirs:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6...yebrows5vk.jpg
You thinking what I'm thinking?
....that he had a heart plug, and the Politburo kept him under control
via a bottle of vodka grafted onto the side of a cat? :-)

Pat

Pat Flannery writes:

What if a Apollo couldn't make TLI?

What if CM/SM couldn't make TEI? Let's assume LM has
been used up.

Think of the movie 'Marooned' only in Lunar Orbit.
Anybody thinking of that possiblity in Apollo 2.0?

Or do we just not care?

Dave

David Spain wrote:

Pat Flannery writes:

What if a Apollo couldn't make TLI?

What if CM/SM couldn't make TEI? Let's assume LM has
been used up.

Think of the movie 'Marooned' only in Lunar Orbit.
Anybody thinking of that possiblity in Apollo 2.0?

Or do we just not care?

There are some problems for which there are no solutions. You do your
best to prevent that problem from occuring, but once you have done
that all you can do is just accept the possibility that it may happen,
and keep the number of a taxi service handy to get you home from the
saloon when it does happen.

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(Derek Lyons) writes:

David Spain wrote:

Pat Flannery writes:

What if a Apollo couldn't make TLI?

What if CM/SM couldn't make TEI? Let's assume LM has
been used up.

Think of the movie 'Marooned' only in Lunar Orbit.
Anybody thinking of that possiblity in Apollo 2.0?

Or do we just not care?

There are some problems for which there are no solutions. You do your
best to prevent that problem from occuring, but once you have done
that all you can do is just accept the possibility that it may happen,
and keep the number of a taxi service handy to get you home from the
saloon when it does happen.

D.
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I won't disagree with the first sentence, but after 40 years one
would hope we could do better.

OTOH, sometimes simpler is better when you need reliability.
So what is old and what is new with Orion SM lunar config?

Dave

On May 27, 12:39*pm, David Spain wrote:
Pat Flannery writes:
What if a Apollo couldn't make TLI?

What if CM/SM couldn't make TEI? Let's assume LM has
been used up.

Think of the movie 'Marooned' only in Lunar Orbit.
Anybody thinking of that possiblity in Apollo 2.0?

Or do we just not care?

Dave

An Apollo 13.02 is perhaps the best we can do anyway, considering that
we still have not a viable fly-by-rocket lander that you'd trust with
a crew made up of your worse enemies.

As soon as they resolve the double IR heating and their radiation
shielding, incorporate those powerful momentum traction wheels and
accomplish a few local R&D proof test flights using a 1/6th mass
prototype version, plus their having a primary deployment rocket of
roughly half the inert mass that Saturn 5 represented, they'll be all
set to go.

I'm not exactly sure what they'll do about the hundreds of millions in
electrostatic charge that's capable of launching and sustaining moon
dust at 100 km, plus coping with all of that pesky sodium vapor.

Forbid they or any robotic part of their mission should spend any time
within the scary Earth-moon L1 (aka Selene L1).

~ BG

On May 27, 1:07*pm, David Spain wrote:
(Derek Lyons) writes:
David Spain wrote:

Pat Flannery writes:

What if a Apollo couldn't make TLI?

What if CM/SM couldn't make TEI? Let's assume LM has
been used up.

Think of the movie 'Marooned' only in Lunar Orbit.
Anybody thinking of that possiblity in Apollo 2.0?

Or do we just not care?

There are some problems for which there are no solutions. *You do your
best to prevent that problem from occuring, but once you have done
that all you can do is just accept the possibility that it may happen,
and keep the number of a taxi service handy to get you home from the
saloon when it does happen.

D.
--

I won't disagree with the first sentence, but after 40 years one
would hope we could do better.

OTOH, sometimes simpler is better when you need reliability.
So what is old and what is new with Orion SM lunar config?

Dave

According to those extremely wise Zionist Nazis of our DARPA, not even
God to do any better than 40 years ago. Too bad their as-built
technology and most of their original R&D plus science is oddly
missing in action, so we'll have to restart almost from scratch and
hope for the best. (what could possibly go wrong?)

According to the recent exploding rocket test, it seems there's not
much point in having any plan-B of escape from a failed launch.
Excluding the LAS should save 7045kg (15500lb). There's nothing of
any viable LAS capability for the shuttle, so why bother with the
faster exploding Constellation?

~ BG

David Spain wrote:

(Derek Lyons) writes:

There are some problems for which there are no solutions. You do your
best to prevent that problem from occuring, but once you have done
that all you can do is just accept the possibility that it may happen,
and keep the number of a taxi service handy to get you home from the
saloon when it does happen.

I won't disagree with the first sentence, but after 40 years one
would hope we could do better.

Why? It's not like anyone has invented a magic wand in the last 40
years.

D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL