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Dark skies victory...
The great and unstoppable Wal-Mart was going to open one of their
superstores about 400 feet from my house. I was ready to sell and move. But the whole community rose up in anger. Eventually, some wiser heads prevailed on Wal-Mart and convinced them that their marketing data was flawed, and that the cost of a private septic system would be prohibitive. (There is no municipal septic system, and they would have been constantly having their huge system pumped due to high ground water levels.) They have permamnently withdrawn their plans for the nearby superstore. I suspect they will build about 5 miles north, which is still too close, but it's better than 400 feet. Austin (watching for what will go in there) |
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On 8 May 2007 09:30:43 -0700, AustinMN wrote:
The great and unstoppable Wal-Mart was going to open one of their superstores about 400 feet from my house. I was ready to sell and move. But the whole community rose up in anger. Eventually, some wiser heads prevailed on Wal-Mart and convinced them that their marketing data was flawed, and that the cost of a private septic system would be prohibitive. (There is no municipal septic system, and they would have been constantly having their huge system pumped due to high ground water levels.) They have permamnently withdrawn their plans for the nearby superstore. I suspect they will build about 5 miles north, which is still too close, but it's better than 400 feet. Nice. But don't rest easy. Some Wal-Marts have installed (relatively) friendly outdoor lighting, either by mandate or as a response to local opinion. Five miles is close enough for bad lighting to be a problem. Now's the time to try and get good lighting designed into the project. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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AustinMN wrote:
They have permamnently withdrawn their plans for the nearby superstore. I suspect they will build about 5 miles north, which is still too close, but it's better than 400 feet. Sadly that's hardly a dark sky victory. All you have done is brighten someone else's sky. If you want to claim victory, how about approaching them to install shielded lighting? The time to do that is now, when they are in planning, and we've had success with that here. It's amazing how one can make a difference by simply becoming involved. Clear skies, Greg -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html To reply take out your eye |
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Greg Crinklaw:
AustinMN wrote: They have permamnently withdrawn their plans for the nearby superstore. I suspect they will build about 5 miles north, which is still too close, but it's better than 400 feet. Sadly that's hardly a dark sky victory. All you have done is brighten someone else's sky. If you want to claim victory, how about approaching them to install shielded lighting? The time to do that is now, when they are in planning, and we've had success with that here. It's amazing how one can make a difference by simply becoming involved. One of the things I learned is that all new Wal-Mart stores are supposed to install dark sky compliant lighting. When I asked how they defined "dark sky compliant" they said "100% of the light is at least 20 degrees below the horizon." I knew I wasn't going to get them to go better than that. However, I went to one of their new (less than 3 years old) locations about 10 miles away. From 1/2 mile away, there was clearly a dome of light over it anyway. The fixtures appeared to me to be dark sky compliant (from the parking lot I could see no direct light except from nearby fixtures), when you have three times as many as needed, it still wrecks the night sky. In other D.S. news, the new Minnesota Vikings stadium is not being built just 10 miles south of me... Austin |
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AustinMN wrote: Greg Crinklaw: AustinMN wrote: They have permamnently withdrawn their plans for the nearby superstore. I suspect they will build about 5 miles north, which is still too close, but it's better than 400 feet. Sadly that's hardly a dark sky victory. All you have done is brighten someone else's sky. If you want to claim victory, how about approaching them to install shielded lighting? The time to do that is now, when they are in planning, and we've had success with that here. It's amazing how one can make a difference by simply becoming involved. One of the things I learned is that all new Wal-Mart stores are supposed to install dark sky compliant lighting. When I asked how they defined "dark sky compliant" they said "100% of the light is at least 20 degrees below the horizon." I knew I wasn't going to get them to go better than that. However, I went to one of their new (less than 3 years old) locations about 10 miles away. From 1/2 mile away, there was clearly a dome of light over it anyway. The fixtures appeared to me to be dark sky compliant (from the parking lot I could see no direct light except from nearby fixtures), when you have three times as many as needed, it still wrecks the night sky. In other D.S. news, the new Minnesota Vikings stadium is not being built just 10 miles south of me... Austin Yours is a victory no matter how you (or Greg) cut it. Congrats. Light domes occur over brightly lighted parking areas areas simple because of reflection from concrete. As for you being personally responsible for lighting up someone else's skies just because Walmart is going to move - well that's just plain nuts. .... |
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4po wrote:
AustinMN wrote: Greg Crinklaw: AustinMN wrote: They have permamnently withdrawn their plans for the nearby superstore. I suspect they will build about 5 miles north, which is still too close, but it's better than 400 feet. Sadly that's hardly a dark sky victory. All you have done is brighten someone else's sky. If you want to claim victory, how about approaching them to install shielded lighting? The time to do that is now, when they are in planning, and we've had success with that here. It's amazing how one can make a difference by simply becoming involved. One of the things I learned is that all new Wal-Mart stores are supposed to install dark sky compliant lighting. When I asked how they defined "dark sky compliant" they said "100% of the light is at least 20 degrees below the horizon." I knew I wasn't going to get them to go better than that. However, I went to one of their new (less than 3 years old) locations about 10 miles away. From 1/2 mile away, there was clearly a dome of light over it anyway. The fixtures appeared to me to be dark sky compliant (from the parking lot I could see no direct light except from nearby fixtures), when you have three times as many as needed, it still wrecks the night sky. In other D.S. news, the new Minnesota Vikings stadium is not being built just 10 miles south of me... Austin Yours is a victory no matter how you (or Greg) cut it. Congrats. Light domes occur over brightly lighted parking areas areas simple because of reflection from concrete. As for you being personally responsible for lighting up someone else's skies just because Walmart is going to move - well that's just plain nuts. ... What's nuts is intentionally misrepresenting what I said. PLONK again trolling loser... how many times have you had to change your name now that you've started using NewsGuy? Your Mom must be so proud of you! |
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