The calendar cycle

For genuine astronomers,the calendar cycle begins on Mar 1st of one
year and ends 4 cycles later on February 29th having completed the
required proportion of full rotations to the nearest orbital circuit
which translates into the unused fact that the Earth turns 365 1/4
times per year.

The Western calendar is so spectacular by virtue that its development
relied on two major orbital events - the flooding of the Nile on a
particular day and orbital point and the coincident appearance of
Sirius from behind the glare of the central Sun ,in a way imitating
what can be seen presently as Venus remains the only point of light
left before the rotating Earth enters full solar radiation each day .

There is something so amazingly fresh about the Egyptian description
and a sense of pride behind it in that a few thousand years later,the
development of the AM/PM system in tandem with the Lat/Long system
grew out of those astronomical observations and terrestrial effects -


"on account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in
the course of 4 years.. therefore it shall be, that the year of 360
days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day as feast of
Benevolent Gods [the pharaoh and family] be from
this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New
Year" Canopus decree,Egypt

Now we have NASA trying to sound rational with Dec 21st nearing while
the same organization insists there are 1465 rotations in 4 orbital
circuits -

"The Earth spins on its axis about 366 and 1/4 times each year, but
there are only 365 and 1/4 days per year. "

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...rs/970714.html

The end of the world indeed !,if there were sane people they could
tell you when the end of the year is by counting the number of
rotations/days across 4 annual cycles of the Earth.How it came to be
that our astronomical ancestors could work out the references for
annual traits and keep the daily cycles fixed to the orbital points of
the solstices and equinoxes now stands in contrast to this era's
inability to keep rotations and 24 hour days in step would look like
the end of the world for any intelligent person and indeed it may very
well be for there is nothing lower on the intellectual scale.

I don't want people to be ashamed,I wish them to act like responsible
people and that means some of the most public and renowned
organizations in the world.

The Long Count ends on December 21, 2012.

So, remember to adjust your calendars. From now on, a new calendar
round will begin on every 4 Ahau 3 Yax, once in 52 years, during the
new Baktun, instead of when 4 Ahau 8 Cumhu rolls around the way it
used to be!

John Savard

"oriel36" wrote in message
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For genuine astronomers,the calendar cycle begins on Mar 1st of one
year and ends 4 cycles later on February 29th

Please explain what significance Mar 1st has to an astronomer.
Surely the dates of the solstices and equinoxes are more significant?

The choice of Feb 29th for the leap year day is completely arbitrary (certainly as far
as astronomy is concerned).

On Dec 9, 7:10*pm, "Gavino" wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message

...

For genuine astronomers,the calendar cycle begins on Mar 1st of one
year and ends 4 cycles later on February 29th

Please explain what significance Mar 1st has to an astronomer.
Surely the dates of the solstices and equinoxes are more significant?


The beginning of a full cycle which contains the proportions of days/
rotations to years/annual cycles in keeping rotations fixed to annual
points and visa versa is arbitrary,the Egyptians started their year
using the annual appearance of Sirius which happened to coincide in
their era with the Nile flooding whereas Western conventions begin Mar
1st and end 4 years later on Feb 29th.What is not arbitrary is the
total 1461 days/rotations to 4 annual orbital circuits as this is a
pure astronomical and technical matter.I don't even stop to consider
January 1st but I am certain that Ra/Dec observers are locked into
this convenient format where Feb 29th is almost anonymous technically
so rather than go through an exposition on the Ra/Dec extensions,it is
just easier to look at the original system,take note of the references
and then rework the details into the Western system.

The Egyptians have already supplied you with the reference which keep
days fixed to an orbital event (Nile Flood) which was probably more
important to them agriculturally than when the solstice of equinox
happened.They realized that you cannot base the Nile flooding on a
consecutive 365 day sequence but some very clever man noticed that the
appearance of Sirius at dawn,in technical terms as the Earth's line of
sight to Sirius due to its annual orbital motion takes the star a
distance from the glare of the Sun,missed a day after every 4 years
yet the Nile flooded on a specific date from its appearance.This is
how they knew to add an extra day to keep days in sync -

http://astroguyz.com/wp-content/uplo...of-Sirius..png


Look,most of this is new in terms of comparing days/years with
rotations/annual cycles and really it hasn't been done before.You do
not need to stick pegs in the ground and wait for a star to return
daily,the annual return of Sirius in simply a line of sight
observation due to the orbital motion of the Earth and it doesn't
matter where it makes an appearance,it only matters that it does so
365 days from any given year for 3 years but the next year it will not
show up after 365 days but 366 days.


The choice of Feb 29th for the leap year day is completely arbitrary (certainly as far
as astronomy is concerned).

February 29th is both a 24 hour AM/PM cycle and one rotation of the
Earth with all its terrestrial effects,it also closes out the number
of rotations/days for 4 orbital circuits but here we have this era
which insists in trying to squeeze 1465 rotations into the same 4 year
period thereby screwing up the explanation which ties the 24 hour AM/
PM system to the Lat/Long system on which clocks and civil timekeeping
is based.

What greater gift than the ability to use timekeeping properly and
discovering its origins,what is arbitrary and what is beyond the
control of humans and unfortunately too many assume that they are
sorcerers and can dictate planetary motions and a choice of references
hence they lose control of assertions.

In sci.astro.amateur message , Sun, 9
Dec 2012 19:10:58, Gavino posted:

"oriel36" wrote in message
...
For genuine astronomers,the calendar cycle begins on Mar 1st of one
year and ends 4 cycles later on February 29th

Please explain what significance Mar 1st has to an astronomer.
Surely the dates of the solstices and equinoxes are more significant?

The choice of Feb 29th for the leap year day is completely arbitrary
(certainly as far
as astronomy is concerned).

March 1st is significant to a calendrist, which relates it to astronomy
since the calendar depends on the rotation and orbit of the Earth.

March 1st is the day that the calendar year should begin, since then the
length of the first eleven months is simply calculated and February
reduces to a mere residuum.

For more, see my Web site; I can't be bothered to look where for one
inane enough to reply to 36, who appears to be an antiquated Julian.

--
(c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. E-mail, see Home Page. Turnpike v6.05.
Website http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
PAS EXE etc. : http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/ - see in 00index.htm
Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

On Dec 12, 11:25*pm, Dr J R Stockton
wrote:
In sci.astro.amateur message , Sun, 9
Dec 2012 19:10:58, Gavino posted:

"oriel36" wrote in message
...
For genuine astronomers,the calendar cycle begins on Mar 1st of one
year and ends 4 cycles later on February 29th

Please explain what significance Mar 1st has to an astronomer.
Surely the dates of the solstices and equinoxes are more significant?

The choice of Feb 29th for the leap year day is completely arbitrary
(certainly as far
as astronomy is concerned).

March 1st is significant to a calendrist, which relates it to astronomy
since the calendar depends on the rotation and orbit of the Earth.

March 1st is the day that the calendar year should begin, since then the
length of the first eleven months is simply calculated and February
reduces to a mere residuum.

For more, see my Web site; I can't be bothered to look where for one
inane enough to reply to 36, who appears to be an antiquated Julian.


Don't worry son,the star Sirius still does not return after 4 years of
consecutive 365 days but an additional rotation is needed (Feb 29th)
to close out 4 orbital circuits of the Earth hence the full
proportions of rotations in 1461 to 4 which breaks down to the unused
fact of 365 1/4 rotations to one circuit.

The empirical inanity is all yours and especially as you are unaware
that the format of 365 days/366 days is built on the motions of the
Earth hence there are no choices involved - it is not even a 'solar'
calendar as opposed to a lunar calendar but you would have to be an
astronomer to work it out.So,when the observer looks at the brightest
star in the celestial arena,they ignore any reference to its daily
circumpolar return and consider only its annual appearance from behind
the glare of the Sun as the orbital motion of the Earth brings it back
into view,at one time its annual appearance coincided with the flood
of the Nile hence our calendar is truly reflective of the motions of
the Earth unlike your homocentric descriptions of a 'solar calendar'.

In short,the calendar is one exciting mechanism which uses the actual
motions and cycles of the Earth with one notable reference,Sirius in
this case, as a basis of all timekeeping- when it is all put together
it is as good a story as any out there and the basis for the 24 hour
AM/PM cycle and Lat/Long system and although later Ra/Dec system a
step too far as it tries to obliterate the original reference to
Sirius in founding,it only requires astronomers to recognize the
limitations.

In all other walks of life you encounter experts who can discuss the
ins and outs of things,I don't mean windbags who try to project
superiority using trivia or rote learning that you can pick from any
internet website,but true experts who are comfortable with technical
and historical unknowns. I never encountered people who could even
make sense of what the Egyptians wrote and why they were extremely
proud of the additional day which was required to keep days in sync
with the orbital points because empiricists are too fond of the Greek
heritage to recognize anything further back in history for unlike the
limitations of the homocentric Ra/Dec system,it appears the
limitations extend to human history as well.

"But that these feast days shall be celebrated in definite seasons for
them to keep for ever, and after the plan of the heaven established on
this day and that the case shall not occur, that all the Egyptian
festivals, now celebrated in winter, shall not be celebrated some time
or other in summer, on account of the precession of the rising of the
Divine Sothis by one day in the course of 4 years, and other festivals
celebrated in the summer, in this country, shall not be celebrated in
winter, as has occasionally occurred in past times, therefore it shall
be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so
one day as feast of Benevolent Gods [the pharaoh and family] be from
this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New
Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little defective in
the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also the opinions
which are contained in the rules of the learned on the heavenly
orbits, are now corrected and improved"
Canopus Decree

I wish people would work towards making the system clear,from its
beginnings to the later advancements which recognized the variations
in the natural noon cycle and why they occur instead of trying to bury
the system in a tangle of abbreviations and junk.Of course that takes
talent.











--
*(c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. * E-mail, see Home Page. * *Turnpike v6.05.
*Website *http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
*PAS EXE etc. : http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/ - see in 00index.htm
*Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:49:02 PM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:

In all other walks of life you encounter experts who can discuss the

ins and outs of things,I don't mean windbags who try to project

superiority using trivia or rote learning that you can pick from any

internet website,but true experts who are comfortable with technical

and historical unknowns.

Interesting that you should use the word *windbag* when talking about others...

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...01618283_n.jpg

On Dec 13, 7:37*pm, palsing wrote:
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:49:02 PM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:
In all other walks of life you encounter experts who can discuss the

ins and outs of things,I don't mean windbags who try to project

superiority using trivia or rote learning that you can pick from any

internet website,but true experts who are comfortable with technical

and historical unknowns.

Interesting that you should use the word *windbag* when talking about others...

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...463018932_1401...

I do not know what to make of any of you,the appearance of Sirius is
an annual orbital event when the Earth moves around far enough to one
side of the central Sun to bring the star into view -

http://www.yorku.ca/ns1745b/fig2-sirius-helrise.gif

The transformation of days/years into rotations/orbital circuits takes
a little bit of work but there is nothing there that evokes this
ignorance based on the idea that one 24 hour day does not keep in step
with one rotation.

I wish there was some decent person who knew enough to understand that
this is actually important.

On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:46:40 AM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:

I do not know what to make of any of you,the appearance of Sirius is

an annual orbital event when the Earth moves around far enough to one

side of the central Sun to bring the star into view...

You do understand, don't you, that several thousand other stars also reappear every day throughout the year when the Earth moves around far enough to one side of the central Sun to bring them into view, and that this event is not in any way limited to just Sirius? It is just a coincidence that the reappearance of Sirius happens to correspond to the annual flooding of the Nile. Other than that, it is of no importance whatsoever.

\Paul A

On Dec 13, 1:18*pm, palsing wrote:

You do understand, don't you, that several thousand other stars also reappear every day throughout the year when the Earth moves around far enough to one side of the central Sun to bring them into view, and that this event is not in any way limited to just Sirius?

Oh, yes, he definitely does understand _that_.

John Savard