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Old June 13th 04, 09:10 PM
John Beaderstadt
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While reading in the bathroom on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:39:48 GMT, I saw
that (Derek Lyons) had written:

Folks in uniform can be found in all manner of odd places. (Or to put
it another way, yes the DoD loans out troops and individuals for
various reasons and periods of time quite routinely.)


Several expeditions of exploration spring to mind, beginning with
Lewis and Clark. Then there was the Jeanette expedition to find the
North Pole, the Schwatka trek across the interior of Alaska, etc.
Then there are the occasional worldwide relief expeditions run
primarily by military personnel. I suppose these were technically
military operations, owing to their composition, but one would be hard
pressed to describe a distinctly military purpose.

Seems to me this entire conversation is fueled by the insistence of
some people on considering the national interest to be synonymous with
military purposes. It's useless to argue or attempt rational
discussion with people who think like that; there's virtually no
difference between them and the conspiracy theorists. Personally, I
could never be that paranoid.


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Old June 13th 04, 10:27 PM
Dave Michelson
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Derek Lyons wrote:

The Pentagon 'decided' to obey the President, who ordered that the initial
group of astronauts come from the services. (The DoDs interest in space
comes somewhat later.)


Sorry, the bracketed remark is incorrect. Both the USAF's X-15 and MISS (Main
in Space Soonest) projects pre-date both the formation of NASA and the
selection of the Original 7.

In fact, the first ever U.S. (preliminary) astronaut selection was announced
in a USAF briefing concerning MISS on 25 June 1958. The list included
test pilots Robert Walker, Scott Crossfield, Neil Armstrong, Robert
Rushworth, William Bridgeman, Alvin White, Iven Kincheloe, Robert White, and
Jack McKay.

The project was cancelled on 1 Aug 1958 when NASA was formed.

It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to
get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20
candidate, NASA Group II.)

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Old June 13th 04, 10:48 PM
Henry Spencer
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In article 9F3zc.749160$oR5.235666@pd7tw3no,
Dave Michelson wrote:
It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to
get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20
candidate, NASA Group II.)


Indeed, he might well have been in the first astronaut group if he hadn't
been a civilian. (The first group had to be active-duty military.)
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Old June 14th 04, 01:43 AM
OM
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:27:33 GMT, Dave Michelson
wrote:

Derek Lyons wrote:

The Pentagon 'decided' to obey the President, who ordered that the initial
group of astronauts come from the services. (The DoDs interest in space
comes somewhat later.)


Sorry, the bracketed remark is incorrect. Both the USAF's X-15 and MISS (Main
in Space Soonest) projects pre-date both the formation of NASA and the
selection of the Original 7.


....Which is what I was going to post, but since Derek's being a twit
and has killfiled me simply because I was exercising my Constitutional
right to trash trolls under the 2nd Amendment, 33rd clause, I passed
on correcting his misconception. In addition, I argue that you should
also include Project Manhigh, even though orbit was nowhere near a
stated goal.

OM

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Old June 14th 04, 04:24 AM
LaDonna Wyss
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John Beaderstadt wrote in message . ..
While reading in the bathroom on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:39:48 GMT, I saw
that (Derek Lyons) had written:

Folks in uniform can be found in all manner of odd places. (Or to put
it another way, yes the DoD loans out troops and individuals for
various reasons and periods of time quite routinely.)


Several expeditions of exploration spring to mind, beginning with
Lewis and Clark. Then there was the Jeanette expedition to find the
North Pole, the Schwatka trek across the interior of Alaska, etc.
Then there are the occasional worldwide relief expeditions run
primarily by military personnel. I suppose these were technically
military operations, owing to their composition, but one would be hard
pressed to describe a distinctly military purpose.

Seems to me this entire conversation is fueled by the insistence of
some people on considering the national interest to be synonymous with
military purposes. It's useless to argue or attempt rational
discussion with people who think like that; there's virtually no
difference between them and the conspiracy theorists. Personally, I
could never be that paranoid.


--------------
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Sorry. Not only do I not deal in psycho-babble, I also don't care
about "likeliest." I deal in truth.
LaDonna
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Old June 14th 04, 04:24 AM
LaDonna Wyss
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Dave Michelson wrote in message news:9F3zc.749160$oR5.235666@pd7tw3no...
Derek Lyons wrote:

The Pentagon 'decided' to obey the President, who ordered that the initial
group of astronauts come from the services. (The DoDs interest in space
comes somewhat later.)


Sorry, the bracketed remark is incorrect. Both the USAF's X-15 and MISS (Main
in Space Soonest) projects pre-date both the formation of NASA and the
selection of the Original 7.

In fact, the first ever U.S. (preliminary) astronaut selection was announced
in a USAF briefing concerning MISS on 25 June 1958. The list included
test pilots Robert Walker, Scott Crossfield, Neil Armstrong, Robert
Rushworth, William Bridgeman, Alvin White, Iven Kincheloe, Robert White, and
Jack McKay.

The project was cancelled on 1 Aug 1958 when NASA was formed.

It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to
get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20
candidate, NASA Group II.)


Exactly right.
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Old June 14th 04, 05:43 AM
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"John Beaderstadt"
Seems to me this entire conversation is fueled by the insistence of
some people on considering the national interest to be synonymous with
military purposes.


It may have fueled the conversation back in the late 50s, but Eisenhower
established NASA specifically because he made a judgement that space
flight should be a civilian endeavor.

It's useless to argue or attempt rational
discussion with people who think like that; there's virtually no
difference between them and the conspiracy theorists.


The militarists had solid arguments for a mil-sponsored space program.
We pay them to defend the country. Their ideas lost out.

Personally, I
could never be that paranoid.


Hurray.


 




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