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Old June 9th 09, 09:32 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Pat Flannery
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Will hit in the South Polar Region:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._lunar_impact/

Pat
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Old June 9th 09, 09:37 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Jun 9, 1:32*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Will hit in the South Polar Region:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._lunar_impact/

Pat


And still after all this time, effort and public investment, there's
not one image of anything Apollo, other than sites of recent impacts
where controlled landings supposedly took place.

~ BG
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Old June 10th 09, 05:25 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Jun 9, 8:20*pm, OM wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:32:24 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Will hit in the South Polar Region:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._lunar_impact/


SELENE Orbital Elements:
--------------------------------------
Inclination * * * * * * * * * * 90
Orbital period * * * * * * * * *2h
Operational Apoapsis * *100 km
Operational Periapsis * 100 km

...Note that original plans called for SELENE to continue on an
extended mission until mid-August of this year. However, due to the
degraded performance of a reaction wheel, on February 1, 2009, the
orbit was lowered to 50 km 20 km, and the mission will now end with
a lunar surface impact at around 1:30pm CST June 10th - which means
after tomorrow, SELENE becomes a part of Space History, and deservedly
so!

...For more info on SELENE:

Vandal-free Wikipedia Article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE

Official JAXA Program Site:http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm

SELENE Official YouTube Channel:http://www.youtube.com/jaxachannel

...Personally, I've hyped this as JAXA's crowning achievement to date,
and those of us who've followed the mission have really enjoyed the
visual results. The real question now is whether next week's launch of
NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter will produce results equally as
spectacular as SELENE's. If LRO manages to achieve one specific
imaging goal - the highest resolution of the Apollo landing sites ever
made from Lunar orbit - then it may win by default just for putting
one more corncob up the collective butts of the Moon Hoax Morons, if
not a poisoned spear through the heart

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *OM


And still nothing on behalf of Apollo. Gee whiz, what a surprise.

~ BG
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Old June 10th 09, 07:20 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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OM wrote:

SELENE Orbital Elements:
--------------------------------------
Inclination 90
Orbital period 2h
Operational Apoapsis 100 km
Operational Periapsis 100 km

...Note that original plans called for SELENE to continue on an
extended mission until mid-August of this year. However, due to the
degraded performance of a reaction wheel, on February 1, 2009, the
orbit was lowered to 50 km 20 km, and the mission will now end with
a lunar surface impact at around 1:30pm CST June 10th - which means
after tomorrow, SELENE becomes a part of Space History, and deservedly
so!

...For more info on SELENE:

Vandal-free Wikipedia Article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE

Official JAXA Program Site:
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm

SELENE Official YouTube Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/jaxachannel

...Personally, I've hyped this as JAXA's crowning achievement to date,
and those of us who've followed the mission have really enjoyed the
visual results. The real question now is whether next week's launch of
NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter will produce results equally as
spectacular as SELENE's. If LRO manages to achieve one specific
imaging goal - the highest resolution of the Apollo landing sites ever
made from Lunar orbit - then it may win by default just for putting
one more corncob up the collective butts of the Moon Hoax Morons, if
not a poisoned spear through the heart


The asteroid sample return mission was bitting of more than JAXA could
chew, but that of course went for NASA's Rangers 1-6 also.

P.S. I get international sensitivity bonus points for not titling this
thread "Jap Moon Probe Starts Kamikaze Dive". :-)

Pat
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Old June 10th 09, 11:02 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Pat Flannery
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Pat Flannery wrote:

The asteroid sample return mission was bitting of more than JAXA could
chew, but that of course went for NASA's Rangers 1-6 also.


That should be "biting off more than they could chew", but once again
the beer has shown its ability to inspire the "big ideas" while screwing
up the specifics of describing them. :-D

Pat

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Old June 11th 09, 05:36 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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OM wrote in news:[email protected]
4ax.com:


...Anyone care to map out real quick where the impact zone was?



http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/communi...r_Impact_e.htm


This link has a telescope image of the impact flash, apparently on a
crater floor or wall:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...-set-to-crash-
into-moon.html


--Damon
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Old June 11th 09, 06:23 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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OM wrote:
The KAGUYA's observation data will be released through the Internet
from Nov. 1. "

...Anyone care to map out real quick where the impact zone was?


Photos of impact zone and impact he
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0906/10kaguya/
It hit the inside wall of a crater at 80.4 E, 65.5 S.

Pat
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Old June 12th 09, 01:14 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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It seems inconceivable to me WHY would the Japanese INTENTIONALLY end
the imaging mission by impacting the spacecraft WITH the science
instruments on it. Japan could have done a VERY similar mission and
crash ONE of the relay satelites, OR...simply launch and blast an
"impactor" to actually hit the Moon WHILE the Kaguya was overhead with
the FULL instrument suite ON and looking...close-up...for NEW data.

This was mission suicide and makes NO sense. In addition, the amount
of PUBLICLY available data from this HiRes mission is miniscule for
the amount of time it was on-orbit and in operation.

When will ALL the data from this "suicidal" mission be released to
Earthlings?

Bob...
http://www.mycommonsensepolitics.net

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Old June 12th 09, 01:47 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Jun 11, 5:14*pm, rhw007 wrote:
It seems inconceivable to me WHY would the Japanese INTENTIONALLY end
the imaging mission by impacting the spacecraft WITH the science
instruments on it. *Japan could have done a VERY similar mission and
crash ONE of the relay satelites, OR...simply launch and blast an
"impactor" to actually hit the Moon WHILE the Kaguya was overhead with
the FULL instrument suite ON and looking...close-up...for NEW data.

This was mission suicide and makes NO sense. *In addition, the amount
of PUBLICLY available data from this HiRes mission is miniscule for
the amount of time it was on-orbit and in operation.

When will ALL the data from this "suicidal" mission be released to
Earthlings?

Bob...http://www.mycommonsensepolitics.net


The secondary recoil of IR as extra thermal trauma by day, as well as
hard-X-rays, gamma and then a pesky coating of sodium has taken its
toll, not to mention their never getting a look-see at anything Apollo
is embarrassing.

~ BG
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Old June 12th 09, 02:05 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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In sci.space.policy rhw007 wrote:
It seems inconceivable to me WHY would the Japanese INTENTIONALLY end
the imaging mission by impacting the spacecraft WITH the science
instruments on it. Japan could have done a VERY similar mission and
crash ONE of the relay satelites, OR...simply launch and blast an
"impactor" to actually hit the Moon WHILE the Kaguya was overhead with
the FULL instrument suite ON and looking...close-up...for NEW data.


This was mission suicide and makes NO sense. In addition, the amount
of PUBLICLY available data from this HiRes mission is miniscule for
the amount of time it was on-orbit and in operation.


Modulo propellant to maintain the orbit, my understanding from the
peanut gallery is that (most) lunar orbits are not terribly stable and
the probe is going to impact the Moon at some point. At least this
way they had some control over when and where to enable some final
data.

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