How cool is VL2

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On May 10, 5:21 pm, "T Wake" wrote:
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On May 10, 5:07 pm, "T Wake" wrote:
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On May 10, 11:12 am, "T Wake" wrote:
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On May 10, 9:27 am, "T Wake" wrote:

I've answered every question pertaining to reality. As you think
it
is
ok
to
pick and choose which questions are answered, I will follow
suit.

You and others of your "alt.usenet.kooks" incest born-again kind
would
follow Hitler, or worse yet follow our resident LLPOF warlord(GW
Bush).

Other than your constant visit to Godwins law, what on Earth makes
you
think:

A) I am "incest born again"

You and others of your kind keep spewing out all of that infomercial
crapolla, as though it's science.

Even if your assumption was correct (it isnt), how does that mean I am
"incest born again?"

B) any one in any newsgroup is of my "kind"

99.9% of this anti-think-tank of such a Usenet that sucks and blows
is
in fact one of your kind. I'm part of that 0.1% that actually gives
a
tinkers damn.

You are simply repeating your previous assertion. Are you so far gone
over
the deep end you can no longer see how that is not logically sound?

C) I would follow Hitler?
D) I would even follow Bush?

Being such a cultivated and/or born-again minion to the mainstream
status quo, of what's mostly OT worthy cultism, is exactly what made
Hiter, as well as it made for the likes of our resident LLPOF
warlord(GW Bush).

Why do you keep using "our"?

T Wake = Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire (except that it gets so much
worse)

Well, that is about your limit as far as reasoned debate goes,
isn't
it?
By the way, nice snipology, kook.

No it's not, as I've got lots more topic/author stalking and bashing
favors to share and share alike. BTW say 'hi there' to your Hitler
or GW Bush.

I have never met either. I suspect one of your multiple personalities
may
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Being "alt.usenet.kooks" silly again, arnt we.

A GuthAvoidance there? Or are you just being "cam.misc" silly again?

I'm just being honest to God honest.

Does your god appreciate avoidance and evasion being termed as "honesty"
then?

How about your naysay self?

I am always very honest. I need no imaginary friend to keep me that way.

I see the usual prime topic avoidance is still a key part of your
silly tactic of damage control.

Spoken like an expert.

Is that something Old Testament faith-
based that you folks learned in Third Reich boot camp?

Your God wrote the Old Testament so it must be true.

BTW why isn't your bed wetting partner in crimes against humanity
(aka Art Deco) coming to your rescue?

Why should he?

At any rate it isn't working, is it.

What isn't?

Besides, my lose cannon blows
big and nasty holes in yours,

I dont have a lose cannon and I suspect this is some weird homoerotic
fantasy of yours.

and it's all because you brown-nosed
folks simply can't put up or shut up.

Meaningless.

T Wake wrote:

"BradGuth" wrote in message
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On May 10, 5:21 pm, "T Wake" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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I see the usual prime topic avoidance is still a key part of your
silly tactic of damage control.

Spoken like an expert.

Brad has to be an expert at _something_.

Is that something Old Testament faith-
based that you folks learned in Third Reich boot camp?

Your God wrote the Old Testament so it must be true.

BTW why isn't your bed wetting partner in crimes against humanity
(aka Art Deco) coming to your rescue?

Why should he?

He still lurves me, how sweet.

At any rate it isn't working, is it.

What isn't?

The unmasking of the great salt conspiracy.

--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco

"Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting
renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum."
-- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief

"Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite
rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and
ice cold beer."
-- Brad Guth, bigoted racist

"You really are one of the litsiest people I know, Mr. Deco."
--Kali, quoted endlessly by David Tholen as evidence of "something"

Planetology science is absolutely essential, especially if such is
related to Earth, as well as is cosmological research and subsequent
understandings that by all rights also has to involve our evolution
and/or having accommodated whatever intelligent design of having
created our complex DNA/RNA in the first place, that is unless it
turns out that hundreds of billions of random happenstance years are
actually the case. Yet lo and behold, we have to continually put up
with the likes of topic/author stalking, hijackings and bashings from
those rejecting all of whatever's off-world, or simply intent upon
banishing all of whatever rocks thieir faith-based or political good
ship LOLLIPOP.

Earth has been more than a rare planet, whereas it's unusually fluid
(inside and out), along with a mostly wet surface and otherwise frozen
polar caps and other volumes of ice that if melted would summarily
drown or otherwise terminate most of us, and as of lately it has been
more than a little salty to boot, plus going GW(global warming) postal
at the same time that we're trying our level best to survive on this
orb.

The basic argument here is that Earth simply didn't always have that
pesky moon until after the very last ice age this planet w/moon will
ever see, as for that pesky moon representing such a horrific nearby
orbiting mascon, especially weird if that sucker were ever once upon a
time orbiting at a forth the distance, thus having been contributing
16 fold greater gravity/tidal forces into our 98.5% fluid Earth, as
that unfortunate outcome would have kept mother Earth more than a
little extra GW hot! hot!! hot!!!

I tend to favor a lithobraking arrival, via a glancing and thus
seasonal tilt worthy blow, which seems a whole lot more likely. As
otherwise, that alternative of a gradual exit migration away from
Earth would have been worthy of a whole lot more geophysical trauma
than previously given credit.

Solar tides always existed, along with eventually some oceans of
whatever less salty muck and of much less fluid volume had also
existed, as well as for our elliptical orbit and less seasonal tilt
having existed. So what? We can certainly have all of that w/o moon.

There may not be those local ice cubes surviving in 1AU space, but
much further out it's quite another cosmic story, especially if one of
those arriving ice cubes had a fairly terrific 7.35e22 kg worth of a
rocky core to start off with.

Although it would have been darn nice having a few direct interactive
science instruments on deck (which should have been easily
accomplished if we'd actually walked on that sucker), though otherwise
the best available remote science of our physically DARK and NASTY
moon is more than good enough to suggest upon multiple other reasons
for Earth (being 98.5% fluid) having obtained that absolutely horrific
mascon of a moon, and only as of the very last ice age this gravity/
tidal forced global warming of a mostly fluid planet will ever see.

Most folks here in Usenet naysay land, that are summarily stuck
forever with their one and only NASA/Apollo koran version of the
truth, are as such entirely unable to even consider upon any other
viable alternatives. That's rather unfortunate that so much of
otherwise good talent and resources must be continually wasted, along
with such spendy decades upon decades blown for good.

Much of our salty old moon's surface has in fact become soft, though
obviously much of that moon's dusty surface is protruded by basalt, it
has obviously since been terribly impacted and/or having collected
everything including the cosmic kitchen sink. In addition to it's
significant worth of gravity, it's also highly electrostatic charged
and thus far better off at having attracted and otherwise retained
most of the solar and cosmic flak that comes along, as certainly a
whole lot better off at keeping its nasty stuff than anything our
wussy magnetosphere manages to retain.

Unfortunately, icy proto-moons are still being officially topic/author
banished, as being as taboo/nondisclosure as is the truth about Iraq
and a good dozen other matters. Even a simple topic of "What if
(Craters)" by G=EMC^2 Glazier gets the usual mainstream status quo
flak treatment, as a insurmountable gauntlet that's contributed by
those Old Testament fools trying their faith-based level best at
keeping the rest of us village idiots as snookered and/or as
dumbfounded as possible, and for the most part it has been working.

Folks here in this well orchestrated anti-think-tank Usenet of naysay
land, as such really haven't allowed us to seriously look at those
moon craters with any open mindset, whereas most of which are truly
massive yet unusually shallow craters within those larger and even
shallower craters, with much less their ever having associated any
potential of ice as having once upon a time covered that big old salty
sucker (I'm thinking to the tune of 262 km).

Of the most recent craters being 10 fold deeper by ratio to their
diameter means there was at that more recent time little if any ice on
deck. Though I'd have to agree that a great amount of common moon
dust by way of primary and secondary impact shards, plus local and
cosmic dust has contributed to filling in the vast majority of those
older craters, to the tune of such nasty composition being tens of
meters deep in the most fluffy of dry and uncompacted dark/sooty (aka
coal pit) looking stuff you can imagine. I often think of our moon as
being a cosmic morgue, especially since nothing gets burned up prior
to impact.

You folks must realize that Sedna is a worthy icy proto-moon of
roughly 1500~1800 km, that's likely covered by as much as 500 km of
that dirty reddish and most likely salty ice. In fact, most anything
Oort cloud or even Kuiper belt worthy is going to be and/or shortly
become icy. For example, I can imagine the big rock and/or whatever's
the core of such a hard under-surface of Sedna being that of almost no
craters, as due to itself having been so nicely ice protected.

For benefit of further argument; If such an icy proto-moon were
moving along from Sirius to Sol, say if that interstellar trek had
been taking at most a few tens of thousands of years (say incoming at
40 km/s and thereby lots of spare time for a little interactive cosmic
DNA sequencing to take place), I wonder how much extra ice and snow
build-up (in addition to whatever it originally had) one might expect
to obtain while exiting away from the read-giant pushing realm of
Sirius and obviously entering through our icy Oort cloud?

You'd think this kind of fundamental planetology and cosmology
research, as based entirely upon the regular laws of physics and best
available science, would become another one of those nifty 3D
simulation applications for a good supercomputer, don't you think.
Especially since most other moons and perhaps even a few planets of
this solar system seem as though having arrived after the initial
creation of our Sol and whatever local planets. In fact, there's no
good reasoning to perceive that Earth was born of the very same exact
stuff as Sol.
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Brad Guth

"BradGuth" wrote in message
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Planetology science is absolutely essential,

So it is a shame that it eludes you.

Notice how the brown-nosed clowns of status quoism keep popping out of
those cute little MI/NSA clown cars.

I wonder if any of those smart little brown-nosed clowns (especially
of those extra Third Reich smart Jewish clowns) are sufficiently Venus
proof?

Notice how whenever Venus/VL2 or that of our moon's L1 are being in
any way talked about, and especially of anything related to Sirius or
godforbid of those pesky off-world ETs, that it's all out usenet
WWIII, and somehow I'm their poster bad-guy.

Perhaps the kind and supposedly smart folks from Cambridge UK can
manage to contribute a little something of topic worth, as to exactly
how cool is VL2 (clue; it's raw station-keeping halo orbit is not
likely as cool as Mars @593 w/m2).

Venus at 2643 w/m2 and of VL2 being roughly 2625 w/m2 -75% due to
solar isolation = 656 w/m2.

At best VL2 solar isolation being worth 85%, as such we're talking as
little as 394 w/m2, which by rights can therefore become a cooler
environment than Mars, except if our POOF City were coated as being of
a sufficient dark gray (totally black if need be), as such would
therefore absorb as much of the solar insolation energy as you'd care
to deal with.
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Brad Guth

BradGuth wrote:

Venus at 2643 w/m2 and of VL2 being roughly 2625 w/m2 -75% due to
solar isolation = 656 w/m2.

Are you wearing your oven mitt now, Vern?

--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco

"Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting
renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum."
-- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief

"Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite
rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and
ice cold beer."
-- Brad Guth, bigoted racist

"You really are one of the litsiest people I know, Mr. Deco."
--Kali, quoted endlessly by David Tholen as evidence of "something"

On May 12, 1:28 pm, Art Deco wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
Venus at 2643 w/m2 and of VL2 being roughly 2625 w/m2 -75% due to
solar isolation = 656 w/m2.

Are you wearing your oven mitt now, Vern?


I've since corrected that VL2 insolation upwards, of being worth 660 w/
m2, which is hardly worth our wasting a perfectly good Ovglove on.

Since only robotic airships are going in for the initial kill, there's
no such Ovglove required there either, especially if nighttime
cruising along at 25 km off that geothermally roasting deck.
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Atmospheric Flight on Venus by Geoffrey A. Landis
http://powerweb.grc.nasa.gov/pvsee/p...enusReno02.pdf
The estimated 1 bar at 50 km according to Geoffrey A. Landis should be
worth a buoyancy of sustaining nearly 1.6 kg/m3 by day and I'm
thinking perhaps as great as 1.75 kg/m3 by night.

Cloud holding buoyancy considerations per m3: (by day)

(km) T(K) P(bar) (kg/m3)
25 539 14.93 14.57
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Brad Guth

Venus is looking better and better all the time. It seems that Earth
is not just a very rare planet, whereas it's also getting summarily
global warmed to death by our local mascon/moon, plus receiving all
the warm and fuzzy GW benefits of humanity running itself amuck.

For a little friendly terrestrial reminder:
Total ice melt = 80.32 meters + given a little extra on behalf of a
thermal expansion factor and continued erosion filling in for perhaps
another 20% boost.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

Here's an even better global warming test: (can you swim and survive
upon jellyfish?)

Of local planetology and a salty old mascon of a moon that's not going
away soon enough, is all about utilizing the best available science
and educated minds to the maximum extent possible. Or we could keep
telling ourselves those same old lies upon lies, and otherwise
believing in the tooth fairy after we elect Sponge Bob Square Pants as
our next LLPOF president. With such an educational and science
obtainable goal for relocating our moon out to Earth's L1, as such
this daunting task would actually provide many direct environmental
benefits, that is if it were not for the ongoing Old Testament faith-
based gauntlet of naysayism and mainstream damage-control fornication
that's in denial of their being in denial, such as our NASA/Apollo
wizardly need of their covering thy infomercial spewing moonsuit
butts.

In addition to our human contributed atmospheric deployed soot,
pushing the h2o content of our sooty atmosphere from 100 teratonnes to
more than 200 teratonnes, the artificial shifting of Earth's surface
albedo in the wrong damn direction is simply going to further expedite
the ongoing demise of humanity, that's obviously still far too
snookered and thus easily dumbfounded past the point of no return.
Unfortunately, most folks within Usenet have been working their
infomercial butts off, in serious overtime at keeping this bad
situation going in the worse possible direction.

The humanly forced and clearly negative going shift of Earth's albedo,
by way of merely one percentage point, is yet another real environment
killer to the thermal balance of our Earth that's keeping itself more
and more clouded throughout a wetter and stormier nighttime that's
only getting rid of perhaps little more than 90% of that extra
absorbed insolation worth of energy. Of course, more than a few
others and certainly I've only been sharing that interpretation for
several years, along with sharing many other honest thoughts about my
global warming moon that's not exactly helping us to survive upon our
98.5% fluid Earth, as in not helping one damn bit because of the
unavoidable gravity/tidal friction taking place within and all about
our fluid Earth.

You see, true geology and thus honest planetology or perhaps even
local interstellar cosmology is not about what you can see, such as
bad weather extremes that's only getting worse, and of ocean risings
plus tidal flows, whereas 98.5% or more of our global environment is
essentially fluid to those contributed by our pesky mascon/moon and
even from a solar tidal influence, of having been contributing to what
goes all the way to the very molten core of this planet that's also in
the process of losing it's magnetosphere at the impressive rate of -.
05%/year (if that factor alone isn't bad enough news, then perhaps
nothing is).

It seems our very own brown-nosed clowns of conditional physics and
skewed science are in fact running us amuck (on behalf of the rich
getting a whole lot richer), whereas this time our supposed best
available science (aka junk science of mostly infomercial hyped
disinformation) and of their faith-based puppeteers has in fact
managed to shoot off both of our two left feet, and then some.

Of course, the likes of our Death Valley at -86 meters, the Great
Basin at -105 meters (aka most of Nevada), and even that of our Grand
Canyon would soon enough become massive salt water holding basins,
along with incorporating most all of Salt Lake City and multiple other
old and dried up salt basins becoming wet and thus albedo dark instead
of a salty near white.

The good within GW news being, Venus is looking a whole lot better all
the time. At least on Venus there's unlimited renewable energy to
burn, sort of speak, and you certainly don't have to buy off those
pesky wetland or CO2 credits. Since relocating our moon out to
Earth's L1 is not likely to ever happen (because we're simply not
smart enough for making such happen), perhaps my VL2 POOF City should
be accomplished before we have even fewer options.
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http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Gl...est/start.html
LLPOF Question 3:
Global Warming is believed to be caused primarily by:

b) orbital eccentricities of Earth and variations in the Sun's output

That is correct! (that is actually a well proven lie)

Our GW toasty environment that's going somewhat postal is primarily
caused by our moon that has only been with us since the last ice age
this badly polluted planet will ever see. It is NOT caused primarily
by any 11 year solar cycle and/or that of our elliptical orbit.

Of extra water vapor being sustained within our humanly sooty
atmosphere is in fact a secondary result of the primary GW that's
caused by our moon. Going from 100 teratonnes to that of 200+
teratonnes of atmospheric h2o that's extra loaded and/or fortified
along with our soot and artificial CO2 is not exactly a good sign.
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Brad Guth

On May 11, 11:00 am, "T Wake" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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Planetology science is absolutely essential,

So it is a shame that it eludes you.

How do you folks make your infomercial spewed crapolla stick to the
very top of this topic index stack?

What sort of MI/NSA~NASA spookology or rusemaster of incest skills, of
such brown-nosed clownism, are of those talents required for being
such an infomercial spewing ****ologest, like yourself?
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Brad Guth

In article om,
BradGuth wrote:

How do you folks make your infomercial spewed crapolla stick to the
very top of this topic index stack?

What sort of MI/NSA~NASA spookology or rusemaster of incest skills, of
such brown-nosed clownism, are of those talents required for being
such an infomercial spewing ****ologest, like yourself?


An understanding of modern physics helps. I could fax you an application form.

--
COOSN-174-07-82116: Official Science Team mascot and alt.astronomy's favourite
poster (from a survey taken of the saucerhead high command).

Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.