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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
Man will have to go through a cultural change that will allow
renewable energy to help us with our needs, and we are not thinking like that today? To say that we have the right to destroy water supplies just so we can buzz around in our cars at 60-80 miles per hour is idiotic. Renewable energy may only allow man to go 40 miles per hour? We can't just drain the oceans and use the water for energy without killing crops due to climate changes? We have no idea what impact these changes will have, and no right to experiment on such grand scales. For all we know, it only takes one inch of a drop in ocean levels to affect massive rain patterns. Once power supplies are relied upon, they are entrenched, to the point that wars are fought over them (systems). Lets not build folly into the future. At some point man will have to choose between rampant capitalism (or at least the concept of competition, and the balance of making money without changing the environment? If we know now that solar and wind power are the systems of the future, lets not toy with extracting hydrogen from water, when water is recycled by life itself on this planet, and should be sacred. We have no idea if a future disaster will some how alter the balance of water on Earth, and we have no right to take one drop away from the future. Yes, reading this chemical reaction is interesting, however I assume the photosythesis is only occuring because of the presence of water in the plant. Even on a large scale, extracting hydrogen (from whatever means) from water is not the brightest scientific idea, just as you would not introduce banned fish into your lakes that will destroy all other life. Most hydrogen currently being used for pre-production cars is hyrdrogen being produced from current oil and gas refinery operations (the hydrogen is basically wasted now). This is not the same thing as telling 2 billion people, hey go ahead, burn as much hydrogen as you want for the next 40 years. Right now hyrdogen cars are a novelty, and they can be supported in large numbers, but not on a scale that will compete with oil yet. Once you achieve that scale, how do you replace the water if hydrogen is extracted from it? Yes, I've read that burning hydrogen produces water, but not on the scale you want (you are basically getting a few drops in exchange for destroying several gallons)? It is all about education. This is like telling truck drivers they have to keep their motors running all the time, when you can rig up a battery system (yes it would be big and relies on dc conversion technology) that will run the air conditioning for several hours, and the truck will recharge the batteries (just make sure you employ just as many hundreds of people that will discover how to dispose of the batteries?). No, they want to push some kind of hydrogen fuel cell as the solution? Sigh. * wrote in message . .. http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=6660456 http://unisci.com/stories/20013/0823013.htm Photosynthesis Redirected To Produce Hydrogen As Fuel Hydrogen holds great promise as the "green" energy source of the future. Though ubiquitous, it rarely exists in a pure form in nature. Present methods of producing hydrogen for fuel -- such as extraction from natural gas -- are energy inefficient and polluting. Hydrogen's potential as a "clean" fuel cannot be fully realized until it can be generated from renewable resources. In an article published in the June 2001 issue of Photochemistry and Photobiology, researchers from the University of Tennessee's Center for Environmental Biotechnology (CEB) and the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) demonstrate that photosynthesis -- the process that plants use to make food from sunlight -- can be redirected to produce hydrogen. The team of CEB researchers -- including undergraduate student Jennifer Millsaps, UT/ORNL professor Elias Greenbaum and UT professor Barry Bruce (biochemistry, cellular and molecular biology) -- extracted intact photosynthetic complexes (Photosystem I) from spinach plants and coated one side of each isolated complex with platinum atoms. In the presence of an added electron donor, this "platinized complex" was able to use visible light to produce hydrogen. Photosynthesis results from the cooperation of two photosystems called Photosystem I (PSI) and Photosystem II (PSII) that are coupled together in the plant's chloroplast by an intermediary complex. The green plant normally reduces carbon dioxide to carbohydrates in PSI in a complex set of enzymatic reactions powered by the electrons produced when water is split in PSII. The UT/ORNL experiments uncoupled PSI from PSII, removing PSII and the intervening complex and redirecting PSI reactions to produce molecular hydrogen. This is the first time platinized PSI has been used to generate hydrogen, and represents the smallest nanoscale hydrogen-evolving system ever created. So far, diversion to hydrogen production must be supported by feeding PSI a high-energy donor such as ascorbate. The next step is to extract PSI and PSII separately, and then join them back together head to toe, allowing PSII to directly supply PSI with electrons derived from splitting water. If done successfully, this nanoscale photosystem could produce a constant supply of hydrogen and oxygen, a fuel that when burned produces heat -- leaving only water as the waste product. Jennifer Millsaps, the undergraduate student from Maryville College who acted as lead author on the article, was supported by the Professional Internship Program (PIP) of the Oak Ridge Institute of Science and Education (ORISE). The research was supported by the U.S. Department of Energy. |
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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
"steve" wrote in message om... snipped some Once you achieve that scale, how do you replace the water if hydrogen is extracted from it? Yes, I've read that burning hydrogen produces water, but not on the scale you want (you are basically getting a few drops in exchange for destroying several gallons)? That's nonsense. Think about it. Where would the rest go? If you take the hydrogen and oxygen produced from a certain quantity of water and let it react, the same quantity of water appears. Of course, only a little of it will be in liquid form - most will be vapour. Water vapour, as you know, becomes rain. The water does not vanish. Fusion power, on the other hand, would make water vanish, albeit in tiny amounts compared to the yield. Why? Because that would force hydrogen nuclei to fuse, thereby ceasing to be hydrogen (becoming helium instead). |
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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
On Mon, 3 May 2004 18:20:08 +0200, "Laura" wrote:
"steve" wrote in message . com... snipped some Once you achieve that scale, how do you replace the water if hydrogen is extracted from it? Yes, I've read that burning hydrogen produces water, but not on the scale you want (you are basically getting a few drops in exchange for destroying several gallons)? That's nonsense. Think about it. Where would the rest go? If you take the hydrogen and oxygen produced from a certain quantity of water and let it react, the same quantity of water appears. Of course, only a little of it will be in liquid form - most will be vapour. Water vapour, as you know, becomes rain. The water does not vanish. Fusion power, on the other hand, would make water vanish, albeit in tiny amounts compared to the yield. Why? Because that would force hydrogen nuclei to fuse, thereby ceasing to be hydrogen (becoming helium instead). http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_9.htm On November 1, 1952, a full-scale, successful experiment was conducted by the United States with a fusion-type device. Suppressed by corporate interests: http://www.nv.doe.gov/about/bn.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID....ticleid=6975#A http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0136.html How suppressed: http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blackto...echelbladn.htm http://www.shire.net/big.brother/echelon.htm |
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Nuclear Fusion: Why and How It Suppressed Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
On Mon, 3 May 2004 18:20:08 +0200, "Laura" wrote:
"steve" wrote in message . com... snipped some Once you achieve that scale, how do you replace the water if hydrogen is extracted from it? Yes, I've read that burning hydrogen produces water, but not on the scale you want (you are basically getting a few drops in exchange for destroying several gallons)? That's nonsense. Think about it. Where would the rest go? If you take the hydrogen and oxygen produced from a certain quantity of water and let it react, the same quantity of water appears. Of course, only a little of it will be in liquid form - most will be vapour. Water vapour, as you know, becomes rain. The water does not vanish. Fusion power, on the other hand, would make water vanish, albeit in tiny amounts compared to the yield. Why? Because that would force hydrogen nuclei to fuse, thereby ceasing to be hydrogen (becoming helium instead). http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_9.htm On November 1, 1952, a full-scale, successful experiment was conducted by the United States with a fusion-type device. Suppressed by corporate interests: http://www.nv.doe.gov/about/bn.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID....ticleid=6975#A http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0136.html How suppressed: http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blackto...echelbladn.htm http://www.shire.net/big.brother/echelon.htm |
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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
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On Mon, 3 May 2004 18:20:08 +0200, "Laura" wrote: "steve" wrote in message . com... snipped some Once you achieve that scale, how do you replace the water if hydrogen is extracted from it? Yes, I've read that burning hydrogen produces water, but not on the scale you want (you are basically getting a few drops in exchange for destroying several gallons)? That's nonsense. Think about it. Where would the rest go? If you take the hydrogen and oxygen produced from a certain quantity of water and let it react, the same quantity of water appears. Of course, only a little of it will be in liquid form - most will be vapour. Water vapour, as you know, becomes rain. The water does not vanish. Fusion power, on the other hand, would make water vanish, albeit in tiny amounts compared to the yield. Why? Because that would force hydrogen nuclei to fuse, thereby ceasing to be hydrogen (becoming helium instead). then if we breathed it, we'd all be talking in squeaky little voices. That would certainly make opera more interesting. Widdershins The proof of a conspiracy, is the absolute lack of evidence that there is one. |
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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
"*" wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 May 2004 18:20:08 +0200, "Laura" wrote: "steve" wrote in message . com... snipped some Once you achieve that scale, how do you replace the water if hydrogen is extracted from it? Yes, I've read that burning hydrogen produces water, but not on the scale you want (you are basically getting a few drops in exchange for destroying several gallons)? That's nonsense. Think about it. Where would the rest go? If you take the hydrogen and oxygen produced from a certain quantity of water and let it react, the same quantity of water appears. Of course, only a little of it will be in liquid form - most will be vapour. Water vapour, as you know, becomes rain. The water does not vanish. Fusion power, on the other hand, would make water vanish, albeit in tiny amounts compared to the yield. Why? Because that would force hydrogen nuclei to fuse, thereby ceasing to be hydrogen (becoming helium instead). http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_9.htm On November 1, 1952, a full-scale, successful experiment was conducted by the United States with a fusion-type device. LOL! Wow, talk about taking something out of context and misunderstanding it utterly in the process :-) That device was the H-bomb, which does indeed use fusion. An H-bomb (aka. thermonuclear bomb) uses a conventional fission bomb to raise the temperature and pressure enough for fusion to take place in heavy water. Shall we supply the world with energy from the detonation of H-bombs? :-D Suppressed by corporate interests: http://www.nv.doe.gov/about/bn.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID....ticleid=6975#A http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0136.html How suppressed: http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blackto...echelbladn.htm http://www.shire.net/big.brother/echelon.htm |
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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
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wrote: "*" wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 May 2004 18:20:08 +0200, "Laura" wrote: "steve" wrote in message . com... snipped some Once you achieve that scale, how do you replace the water if hydrogen is extracted from it? Yes, I've read that burning hydrogen produces water, but not on the scale you want (you are basically getting a few drops in exchange for destroying several gallons)? That's nonsense. Think about it. Where would the rest go? If you take the hydrogen and oxygen produced from a certain quantity of water and let it react, the same quantity of water appears. Of course, only a little of it will be in liquid form - most will be vapour. Water vapour, as you know, becomes rain. The water does not vanish. Fusion power, on the other hand, would make water vanish, albeit in tiny amounts compared to the yield. Why? Because that would force hydrogen nuclei to fuse, thereby ceasing to be hydrogen (becoming helium instead). http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_9.htm On November 1, 1952, a full-scale, successful experiment was conducted by the United States with a fusion-type device. LOL! Wow, talk about taking something out of context and misunderstanding it utterly in the process :-) That device was the H-bomb, which does indeed use fusion. An H-bomb (aka. thermonuclear bomb) uses a conventional fission bomb to raise the temperature and pressure enough for fusion to take place in heavy water. Shall we supply the world with energy from the detonation of H-bombs? :-D Yes, but this solution is being suppressed by Lockheed/Echelon. -=-=-=-=- Official AFA-B Bully, Pest, Antagonist, Gubmint Disinformation Agent, "Dr. Green" Sockpuppet, and Chief AFA-B Vote Rustler. |
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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
"Carl R. Osterwald" wrote in message
... Shall we supply the world with energy from the detonation of H-bombs? :-D Yes, but this solution is being suppressed by Lockheed/Echelon. Carl, who needs hydrogen power when we've got those turd powered cars? Turd power is our future. |
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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
On Mon, 3 May 2004 22:28:20 +0200, "Laura" wrote:
"*" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 3 May 2004 18:20:08 +0200, "Laura" wrote: "steve" wrote in message . com... snipped some Once you achieve that scale, how do you replace the water if hydrogen is extracted from it? Yes, I've read that burning hydrogen produces water, but not on the scale you want (you are basically getting a few drops in exchange for destroying several gallons)? That's nonsense. Think about it. Where would the rest go? If you take the hydrogen and oxygen produced from a certain quantity of water and let it react, the same quantity of water appears. Of course, only a little of it will be in liquid form - most will be vapour. Water vapour, as you know, becomes rain. The water does not vanish. Fusion power, on the other hand, would make water vanish, albeit in tiny amounts compared to the yield. Why? Because that would force hydrogen nuclei to fuse, thereby ceasing to be hydrogen (becoming helium instead). http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_9.htm On November 1, 1952, a full-scale, successful experiment was conducted by the United States with a fusion-type device. LOL! Wow, talk about taking something out of context and misunderstanding it utterly in the process :-) That device was the H-bomb, which does indeed use fusion. An H-bomb (aka. thermonuclear bomb) uses a conventional fission bomb to raise the temperature and pressure enough for fusion to take place in heavy water. Shall we supply the world with energy from the detonation of H-bombs? :-D Of course, with applied technology. It's been around since 1952! Suppressed by corporate interests: http://www.nv.doe.gov/about/bn.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID....ticleid=6975#A http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0136.html How suppressed: http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blackto...echelbladn.htm http://www.shire.net/big.brother/echelon.htm |
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Hydrogen Production By Photosynthesis (should be outlawed)
On Mon, 03 May 2004 14:34:43 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" wrote:
Yes, but this solution is being suppressed by Lockheed/Echelon. Lockheed owns Echelon. And the Department of Energy, in conjunction with Bechtel and Johnson Controls. All of the above have a HUGE vested interest in sequestering fision/fusion reactors. Of course, Bechtel Nevada uses the technology to create bombs instead. |
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