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Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development Suppressed
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:21:53 +0100, "gonzo" wrote: * wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote: [...] Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity which comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip So, how does it possibly reduce dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because the manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it, with more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy problems. Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are self-contained, require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is obtained from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production. http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083 You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or no Bush. You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed. And that will cause human extinction. Oil won't last forever, even now some people speculate that oil production has reached it's peak. What would you bet that a cheap and easy way to produce hydrogen will be "discovered" just in the nick of time? Greed dictates that the last cent of our money will be extracted by increasing oil prices as production declines, it's just human nature. Ahh, "Shell Hydrogen" a nice ring to it? We could be using hydrogen to manufacture electricity and buy it from the grid or everyone could be using hydrogen fuel cells at home right now if it weren't for the fact that the US Department of Energy is suppressing hydrogen use for everyone except NASA and the oil industry, which uses hydrogen to make gasoline. Talk about gasoline not being cost effective! You cannot "make" hydrogen from water without adding energy. Where do you get the energy to make the hydrogen? Years ago there were rumors of a pill that you could add to a tank of water in your car and the car would run. That was a lie, too |
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Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development Suppressed
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:46:38 -0400, "Sid9, Liberal"
wrote: * wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:21:53 +0100, "gonzo" wrote: * wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote: [...] Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity which comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip So, how does it possibly reduce dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because the manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it, with more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy problems. Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are self-contained, require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is obtained from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production. http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083 You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or no Bush. You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed. And that will cause human extinction. Oil won't last forever, even now some people speculate that oil production has reached it's peak. What would you bet that a cheap and easy way to produce hydrogen will be "discovered" just in the nick of time? Greed dictates that the last cent of our money will be extracted by increasing oil prices as production declines, it's just human nature. Ahh, "Shell Hydrogen" a nice ring to it? We could be using hydrogen to manufacture electricity and buy it from the grid or everyone could be using hydrogen fuel cells at home right now if it weren't for the fact that the US Department of Energy is suppressing hydrogen use for everyone except NASA and the oil industry, which uses hydrogen to make gasoline. Talk about gasoline not being cost effective! You cannot "make" hydrogen from water without adding energy. Where do you get the energy to make the hydrogen? From burning the hydrogen. Years ago there were rumors of a pill that you could add to a tank of water in your car and the car would run. That was a lie, too |
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Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development Suppressed
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:46:38 -0400, "Sid9, Liberal"
wrote: * wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:21:53 +0100, "gonzo" wrote: * wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote: [...] Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity which comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip So, how does it possibly reduce dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because the manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it, with more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy problems. Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are self-contained, require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is obtained from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production. http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083 You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or no Bush. You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed. And that will cause human extinction. Oil won't last forever, even now some people speculate that oil production has reached it's peak. What would you bet that a cheap and easy way to produce hydrogen will be "discovered" just in the nick of time? Greed dictates that the last cent of our money will be extracted by increasing oil prices as production declines, it's just human nature. Ahh, "Shell Hydrogen" a nice ring to it? We could be using hydrogen to manufacture electricity and buy it from the grid or everyone could be using hydrogen fuel cells at home right now if it weren't for the fact that the US Department of Energy is suppressing hydrogen use for everyone except NASA and the oil industry, which uses hydrogen to make gasoline. Talk about gasoline not being cost effective! You cannot "make" hydrogen from water without adding energy. Where do you get the energy to make the hydrogen? From burning the hydrogen. Years ago there were rumors of a pill that you could add to a tank of water in your car and the car would run. That was a lie, too |
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