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"During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times" Wikipedia main 'Earth' article

The 'solar vs sidereal' fiction that the Earth is into its next full rotation after 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds and the 3 minute 56 second difference to 24 hours provides the basis for this eccentric notion that days and rotations fall out of step within the confines of an annual circuit. Currently they are jettisoning this fiction for an new one which conjures an non astronomical assertion out of thin air an assigns a rotation once in 24 hours back in the year 1820 -

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about 23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or 86,400 standard seconds.. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased by about 2.5 milliseconds." NASA

Every single organization out there gets its wrong - they assume that the Earth's rotation in isolation provides the cyclical basis of timekeeping however the parent observation for timekeeping is the 1461 days across 4 years including February 29th or its dynamical equivalent - 1461 rotations within the confines of 4 orbital circuits of the Earth around the Sun. The parent observation then goes in two different directions ,for interpretative purposes the Earth turns 365 1/4 times per circuit while,for predictive astronomical purposes, the parent observation is formatted in a 365/366 rotation framework with the February 29th leap day rotation closing out four annual cycles to the nearest rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeQwYrfmvoQ

http://www.gautschy.ch/~rita/archast...liacsirius.JPG

The line-of-sight observation of Sirius and its first annual appearance just far enough to one side of the Sun's glare provides the defining observation for the Earth's orbital position in space so that the Earth's orbital motion and the Sun's central position provide the only possible three way reference for determining the number of rotations within an orbital circuit.

How humanity came to believe in 1465 rotations in 4 orbital circuits will some day be treated for the awful aberration that it actually is even though it forms a dominant perspective in this era.

Time to take the 1461 rotations in 4 annual circuits perspective as the fundamental unit of timekeeping and undo the damage and chaos created over the centuries.

Readers here know full well that if you look due north at midnight on Dec 31st the sky doesn't look exactly the same at it does on June 30th. It only requires the most simple of experiments to prove this but Gerald would have readers believe that he hasn't made this observation himself. If, and it is a big if, he believes what he wrote then he either cannot accept the evidence of his own eyes in which case he needs immediate and significant help or he is, as many have suggested, some combination of a troll and a sufferer from autism. Either way we cannot help him

If you look through the archives of this and other groups you will see that Gerald has been campaigning for years to get his ideas accepted. I don't know what he **actually believes** as opposed to what he **claims to believe** but I do know that from time to time he lets his guard down and posts his version of "facts" rather than the usual convoluted garbage. Each time he does this the idiocy of communicating with him become clearer.

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 4:28:06 PM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:

Every single organization out there gets its wrong - they assume that the
Earth's rotation in isolation provides the cyclical basis of timekeeping
however the parent observation for timekeeping is the 1461 days across 4
years including February 29th or its dynamical equivalent - 1461 rotations
within the confines of 4 orbital circuits of the Earth around the Sun. The
parent observation then goes in two different directions ,for interpretative
purposes the Earth turns 365 1/4 times per circuit while,for predictive
astronomical purposes, the parent observation is formatted in a 365/366
rotation framework with the February 29th leap day rotation closing out four
annual cycles to the nearest rotation.

No doubt you feel that paragraph is fraught with significance.

And if you feel rotation corresponds to the daily cycle, then indeed the period
of four years lets you cancel out the Equation of Time... approximately.

But that's precisely why astronomers used observations of stars with transit
circles to calibrate their clocks. That avoided the Equation of Time. And the
Earth's rotation as a physical body - a massive sphere of rock - is not
subordinate to the Sun, but follows physical laws, and so can be referenced to
the fixed stars. Parallax is just something one can correct for.

I don't know why so many people feel that with their own limited understanding,
their own personal notions are superior to what the competent people with
degrees, recognized as experts in their field, understand about the world. But
then, a lack of humility is a common human flaw.

John Savard

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 3:28:06 PM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:

The line-of-sight observation of Sirius and its first annual appearance just far enough to one side of the Sun's glare provides the defining observation for the Earth's orbital position in space

Sirius is never 'just far enough to one side of the Earth's glare'. At their closest approach, Sirius is about 20 degrees south of the Sun, about 40 solar diameters away! You are probably unable to identify Sirius in the night sky, and have no business pretending to know what's going on in the sky.

"Quadibloc" wrote in message
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I don't know why so many people feel that with their own limited
understanding,
their own personal notions are superior to what the competent people with
degrees, recognized as experts in their field, understand about the world.
But
then, a lack of humility is a common human flaw.

John Savard

If you don't know why you claim to understand relativity with your limited
understanding of elementary mathematics, then nobody else will. But then,
arrogant hypocrisy is a common human flaw. You and Kelleher make a fine
pair, he doesn't know why he's a bigot either.

-- Pastor Ravi Holy of Ghetti Spa, Los Agña, Santa Gria
ria

On Sunday, 11 January 2015 07:25:14 UTC+1, palsing wrote:
Sirius is never 'just far enough to one side of the Earth's glare'. At their closest approach, Sirius is about 20 degrees south of the Sun, about 40 solar diameters away! You are probably unable to identify Sirius in the night sky, and have no business pretending to know what's going on in the sky..

Does the troll use a braille keyboard? This might explain the lack of direct observation of a sky he has obviously never seen. Any child could follow the directions of our simplest experimental suggestions over the years. Absolutely no skill is required. Not even the ability to tell the time, provided similar hand shapes can be compared at 24 hour intervals.

The blustering troll seems all too willing to subordinate himself to mere infants. So he may not be able to physically perform the "stick in the ground" experiment. Not even with the help of a small child.

If he lacks this ability it may be that he is permanently incarcerated. Or simply unable to reach the great outdoors through direct physical or extreme *mental* restraint. Is he bedridden? Or does he suffer from agoraphobia?

Had he but a glimpse of starlight through his cell window even a monk could perform the direct observations repeatedly suggested here and always flatly ignored.

It is absolutely certain that he grows ever bolder from the adoration of his pedantic disciples. None of whom can ever resist repeating themselves. Always using new forms of words in direct imitation of their Pavlovian, master puppeteer.

"palsing" wrote in message
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On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 3:28:06 PM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:

The line-of-sight observation of Sirius and its first annual appearance
just far enough to one side of the Sun's glare provides the defining
observation for the Earth's orbital position in space

Sirius is never 'just far enough to one side of the Earth's glare'. At
their closest approach, Sirius is about 20 degrees south of the Sun, about
40 solar diameters away! You are probably unable to identify Sirius in the
night sky, and have no business pretending to know what's going on in the
sky.


Ouch! That's a frightening brobdingnagian statement. 40 solar diameters is
55,667,360 km and approximately 1/3 of Earth's orbital radius, and here was
me thinking its closest approach was about 8 light years. What is the period
of comet Sirius that is brightly visible at its aphelion ? Or is it us that
will make closest approach to Sirius so that we are Sirius's comet? I
suspect this will slightly perturb our GPS if Sirius hits Uranus on the way
in.

-- Pastor Ravi Holy of Ghetti Spa, Los Agña, Santa Gria
ria
Je suis charlie!

The purpose of the leap day rotation, as the fundamental unit of timekeeping, is to bridge the orbital distance left behind in the system of four 365 rotations where the additional rotation represents 6 hours of orbital motion omitted each orbital cycle. The observer who has the 1461 day/4 year or the 1461 rotations/ 4 orbital cycles perspective can then rework this observation in two separate ways.

The fundamental unit of timekeeping was and is not the rotation of the Earth in isolation, it is this one drawn from the orbital motion of the Earth, the central Sun and a distinct astronomical event where a star emerges from behind the glare of the Sun and appears one morning . Observers are supposed to be accustomed to this type of event via the transition of Venus from an evening planet to a morning planet as it moves out of the Sun's glare. Sirius will,at one time, appear close the Sun as the Earth's orbital motion moves along its orbital circumference hence the central Sun's glare intervenes for a period before the star is seen once more.

http://www.gautschy.ch/~rita/archast...liacsirius.JPG


The 'leap second' guys can have their adjustment just as long as they come to appreciate that the adjustment is made from the point of view of the 365/366 rotation format within the parent 1461 rotation/ 4 annual cycle observation. To isolate rotation as an independent motion requires the 365 1/4 rotations per orbital circuit perspective as this observation represents the true relationship between daily rotation and orbital motion.

That men could understand the parent observation well over 2000 years ago and understand that an additional day (what became a leap day rotation) is necessary yet today there is a truly dire situation where men can't even manage to link the 24 hour day with one rotation as Monday turns into Tuesday,Tuesday into Wednesday and so on. How sophisticated are any of you when you imagine 366 1/4 rotations in an orbital circuit ? - this is a pure and utter mockery of everything and that is what the handwringing about the leap second is all about. It costs nothing to split the parent observation into separate perspectives instead of announcing that this represents the Earth's rotation in isolation.

Triumph or nadir ? - the choice is up to responsible people who are not afraid of sophisticated reasoning.

Gerald will never change his opinion on anything and that he will never answer questions on his views! It is part of his mental condition that he has to repeat the same material again and again - it has become all he has to live for.

Do a Google search and you will soon find out that he has been finding suckers to play his game for years (including me) and there is nil difference between what he was saying 2004-2006 and now. All the "I'm sure I can get through to Gerald" people have done is waste their own time.

Gerald is, to all intents and purposes, a bot.

People calling themselves 'flat Earthers' have never existed but scientists today have come as close as possible by imagining that there are more rotations than days within an orbital circumference -

" It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are days in the year" NASA /Harvard

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1904PA.....12..649B

The Lat/Long system where 15 degrees of geographical separation at the Equator is 1037.5 miles and 1 hour difference determines that the Earth turns through 360 degrees of its 24901 mile circumference in 24 hours and with each rotation the temperature of each location responds to this daily dynamic -

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

A cult cannot show compromise hence the dignified way out for the 'leap second' bunch in terms of the 365/366 rotation framework based on a parent observation of 1461 rotations within 4 annual circuits will not be pursued.

A lot of work has been done over the last decade in terms of using daily and orbital dynamics properly including some of the largest modifications to astronomy and terrestrial sciences in quite some time. The last one over the last 6 months in partitioning inner and outer planetary retrograde resolutions would be a remarkable achievement in any era and still ever regardless of the lack of response.