EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT

Relativity zombies are constantly looking for the truth but they are
confused by the fact that half of the hypnotists in Einstein criminal
cult offer an interpretation of the gravitational redshift in terms of
constant speed of light whereas the other half claims the speed of
light is variable:

http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s4.htm "Prediction: light
escaping from a large mass should lose energy---the wavelength must
increase since the speed of light is constant. Stronger surface
gravity produces a greater increase in the wavelength. This is a
consequence of time dilation. Suppose person A on the massive object
decides to send light of a specific frequency f to person B all of the
time. So every second, f wave crests leave person A. The same wave
crests are received by person B in an interval of time interval of
(1+z) seconds. He receives the waves at a frequency of f/(1+z).
Remember that the speed of light c = (the frequency f) (the
wavelength L). If the frequency is reduced by (1+z) times, the
wavelength must INcrease by (1+z) times: L_atB = (1+z) L_atA. In the
doppler effect, this lengthening of the wavelength is called a
redshift. For gravity, the effect is called a GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT."

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

A century of fierce investigation, both theoretical and experimental,
has given nothing - the speed of light in a gravitational field
continues to be both constant and variable. Zombies just need some
more money - a few billions dollars for a start - and by the end of
this century they will know whether the speed of light in a
gravitational field is constant or variable. Of course, it may turn
out hypnotists are right and the speed of light in a gravitational
field is both constant and variable. More precisely, the speed of
light in a gravitational field was still variable in the years 1911,
1912, 1913, 1914 but in 1915 or 1916 it became constant forever. That
is the most reasonable explanation. Zombies just need money to confirm
it.

Pentcho Valev

On 14 Aug, 09:29, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Relativity zombies are constantly looking for the truth but they are
confused by the fact that half of the hypnotists in Einstein criminal
cult offer an interpretation of the gravitational redshift in terms of
constant speed of light whereas the other half claims the speed of
light is variable:

http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s4.htm "Prediction: light
escaping from a large mass should lose energy---the wavelength must
increase since the speed of light is constant. Stronger surface
gravity produces a greater increase in the wavelength. This is a
consequence of time dilation. Suppose person A on the massive object
decides to send light of a specific frequency f to person B all of the
time. So every second, f wave crests leave person A. The same wave
crests are received by person B in an interval of time interval of
(1+z) seconds. He receives the waves at a frequency of f/(1+z).
Remember that the speed of light c = (the frequency f) (the
wavelength L). If the frequency is reduced by (1+z) times, the
wavelength must INcrease by (1+z) times: L_atB = (1+z) L_atA. In the
doppler effect, this lengthening of the wavelength is called a
redshift. For gravity, the effect is called a GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT."

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

A century of fierce investigation, both theoretical and experimental,
has given nothing - the speed of light in a gravitational field
continues to be both constant and variable. Zombies just need some
more money - a few billions dollars for a start - and by the end of
this century they will know whether the speed of light in a
gravitational field is constant or variable. Of course, it may turn
out hypnotists are right and the speed of light in a gravitational
field is both constant and variable. More precisely, the speed of
light in a gravitational field was still variable in the years 1911,
1912, 1913, 1914 but in 1915 or 1916 it became constant forever. That
is the most reasonable explanation. Zombies just need money to confirm
it.

Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult know no limits in explaining the
constancy/variability of the speed of light in a gravitational field:

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_sp_gr.html
"Is light affected by gravity? If so, how can the speed of light be
constant? Wouldn't the light coming off of the Sun be slower than the
light we make here? If not, why doesn't light escape a black hole?
Yes, light is affected by gravity, but not in its speed. General
Relativity (our best guess as to how the Universe works) gives two
effects of gravity on light. It can bend light (which includes effects
such as gravitational lensing), and it can change the energy of light.
But it changes the energy by shifting the frequency of the light
(gravitational redshift) not by changing light speed. Gravity bends
light by warping space so that what the light beam sees as "straight"
is not straight to an outside observer. The speed of light is still
constant." Dr. Eric Christian

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic..._of_light.html
Steve Carlip: "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of
relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and
he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In
the 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he
wrote: . . . according to the general theory of relativity, the law of
the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one
of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity
[. . .] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position. Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector
quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not
clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to
special relativity suggests that he did mean so. This interpretation
is perfectly valid and makes good physical sense, but a more modern
interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
relativity."

Note that Einstein's 1920 interpretation of VARIABLE speed of light is
"perfectly valid and makes good physical sense", according to Steve
Carlip. The problem is whether the gravitational redshift is
consistent with THIS interpretation. Of course, "a more modern
interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
relativity" and the gravitational redshift could also be consistent
with this second intepretation. Can the gravitational redshift be
consistent with BOTH interpretations? If the formula

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

is correct, it CANNOT. But that is not a serious problem for the
moment. Some day hypnotists may inform Einstein zombie world about
their final solution to the problem. Before this day however new
billions of dollars should be utilised by Einstein criminal cult.

Pentcho Valev

Et si tu fermais ta grande gueule ?

Pentcho Valev a écrit :

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:29:12 -0700, Pentcho Valev
wrote:

The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

So what?

The proper time for a local observer will also follow t'= t (1+V/c^2)
so measured locally inside the gravitational field the speed of light
will still be c

"nowhere" wrote in message
...
: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:29:12 -0700, Pentcho Valev
: wrote:
:
: The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
: where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
: measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
: REDSHIFT FACTOR."
:
: So what?
:
: The proper time for a local observer will also follow t'= t (1+V/c^2)
: so measured locally inside the gravitational field the speed of light
: will still be c

HAHAHA!
"But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in
the stationary system, with the velocity c-v" -- Einstein.

IDIOT!

On Aug 14, 7:29 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Relativity zombies are constantly looking for the truth but they are
confused by the fact that half of the hypnotists in Einstein criminal
cult offer an interpretation of the gravitational redshift in terms of
constant speed of light whereas the other half claims the speed of
light is variable:

http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s4.htm"Prediction: light
escaping from a large mass should lose energy---the wavelength must
increase since the speed of light is constant. Stronger surface
gravity produces a greater increase in the wavelength. This is a
consequence of time dilation. Suppose person A on the massive object
decides to send light of a specific frequency f to person B all of the
time. So every second, f wave crests leave person A. The same wave
crests are received by person B in an interval of time interval of
(1+z) seconds. He receives the waves at a frequency of f/(1+z).
Remember that the speed of light c = (the frequency f) (the
wavelength L). If the frequency is reduced by (1+z) times, the
wavelength must INcrease by (1+z) times: L_atB = (1+z) L_atA. In the
doppler effect, this lengthening of the wavelength is called a
redshift. For gravity, the effect is called a GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT."

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp"The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

A century of fierce investigation, both theoretical and experimental,
has given nothing - the speed of light in a gravitational field
continues to be both constant and variable. Zombies just need some
more money - a few billions dollars for a start - and by the end of
this century they will know whether the speed of light in a
gravitational field is constant or variable. Of course, it may turn
out hypnotists are right and the speed of light in a gravitational
field is both constant and variable. More precisely, the speed of
light in a gravitational field was still variable in the years 1911,
1912, 1913, 1914 but in 1915 or 1916 it became constant forever. That
is the most reasonable explanation. Zombies just need money to confirm
it.

Pentcho Valev

Yes the red shift of light, not the red shift of gravity.
That is where some people get confused.
Gravity is caused by the expansion of the universe, and thus the force
of gravity has one direction like a ray, outward from the center of
mass. Gravity has one pole. Figuratively speaking.
You cannot make anti-gravity because you cannot reverse the direction
of the universe.
If for instance a black hole is created, the only time it would be
into negative gravity would be during its creation, just like a
supernova will blast the center of mass, back in time, the t axis
being again, that direction outward from the center of mass so in the
opposite direction, is the other pole of gravity. Except the universe
is expanding and won't let anything go back that way.
Unless it has sufficient mass to resist that expanding force.
But eventually it will be overcome by that force, and even black holes
explode. The largest explosion ever seen in space, is a black hole
exploding, as a for instance.

However, there is another component to gravity. The component that
keeps the universe from collapsing.

Two balloons expanding in the void, the space between them is
shrinking, but waves of dark energy push them apart. Waves that are
created as the balloons resist expansion, and so jerk out one Plank
Length at a time, instead of a continuous growth, and as it jerks out,
it sends a wave outward, through the quantum foam, at c, and that
balances out the system like the cosmological constant.
Those spherical waves of dark energy, are magnetism and they push
against themselves and massive bodies.

But since people associate magnetism only with magnetic metals, they
tend to ignore all the other forms of magnetism, and they call the
effects gravity.
Well it is part of the gravitational system, but in truth, is not
gravity.
In a Newtonian world, gravity is like magnetism, but in the real
world, magnetism is just one component of gravity.

So when people make lifters, and they use a charge to defy gravity,
defying gravity is not anti-gravity.
Just like a jet defies gravity, but that isn't ant-gravity either.
But you could say it was.
And people say that when they use magnetism, to defy gravity, that
that is anti-gravity but in truth you cannot defy the expansion of the
universe without creating a nuclear explosion, that is what happens,
when a mass, is prevented from expanding, it will explode. Even Bose
Einstein condensate will do the Bosenova.

So magnetism, is dark energy, you can't see it, it is dark, but when
you bring two magnets together, you can feel it.
Well all materials give off the same waves, but due to the enormous
amount of background waves everywhere, you don't notice them, unless
it is something like a static charge. Same thing.
With magnetic metal objects, they are on their own channel, their own
frequency which just happens to have little interference, from the
other waves generated by the other elements.
But gravity is not magnetism.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:36:32 GMT, "Androcles"
wrote:


"nowhere" wrote in message
.. .
: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:29:12 -0700, Pentcho Valev
: wrote:
:
: The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
: where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
: measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
: REDSHIFT FACTOR."
:
: So what?
:
: The proper time for a local observer will also follow t'= t (1+V/c^2)
: so measured locally inside the gravitational field the speed of light
: will still be c


The above is physically true.


HAHAHA!
"But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in
the stationary system, with the velocity c-v" -- Einstein.

This might only be mathematically true. Not sufficient.


IDIOT!

Cheers !

"nowhere" wrote in message
...
: On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:36:32 GMT, "Androcles"
: wrote:
:
:
: "nowhere" wrote in message
: .. .
: : On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:29:12 -0700, Pentcho Valev
: : wrote:
: :
: : The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
: : where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
: : measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
: : REDSHIFT FACTOR."
: :
: : So what?
: :
: : The proper time for a local observer will also follow t'= t (1+V/c^2)
: : so measured locally inside the gravitational field the speed of light
: : will still be c
:
:
: The above is physically true.
:
:
: HAHAHA!
: "But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured
in
: the stationary system, with the velocity c-v" -- Einstein.
:
: This might only be mathematically true. Not sufficient.
:
:
: IDIOT!
:
: Cheers !

Your stupidity and blind faith doesn't make you right, this is sufficient:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...nac/Sagnac.htm