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Old September 23rd 06, 09:09 PM posted to sci.econ,sci.bio.misc,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Default Humanity could live for 5 billion years but will likely go extinct in the next 100,000 years ultimate Renewables and when Economics and humanity die out

Economics as a science really does not start until Economics forms a
plan for which humanity lives and survives for the longest amount of
time. A ECONOMIC PLAN which staves off extinction of humanity for the
longest amount of time.

The extinction of humanity will be sure to come when Jupiter forms a
second star in our solar system. Due to the Fusion Barrier Principle,
we cannot escape or colonize outside our solar system. We are trapped
and confined to our solar system. So when a big change comes to our
solar system such as Jupiter becoming a 2nd star, then we perish if we
have not colonized to a safer planet (perhaps a planet such as Pluto).

So the science of ECONOMICS does not really start or begin until it
lays out a plan for which humanity survives into the future for as long
as possible.

We have a similar idea of this "Plan" with our current crisis of Global
Warming for if unchecked and unabated could lead to extinction of
humanity. But the biggest checking is the relationship of planet Earth
to that of the other planets, especially Jupiter if it becomes a 2nd
star.

And because there is no higher form of energy to tap into than that of
uranium fission or thorium fission. Then our ability to colonize or
"get out of the way of an astro body collision" is dependent on our
Economics Plan for Uranium and Thorium.

We as a species may go extinct in a few million years. However, if we
have a solid Economics Plan we may survive as a species for 5 billion
years. To survive for 5 billion years into the future will require a
parsimonious plan using uranium and thorium available to us in this
solar system.

We could live like hedonists as a species for the next 100,000 years
and go extinct. Or we could as a species live for 5 billion years into
the future, provided we formulate and live on a parsimonious economic
plan that uses uranium and thorium wisely.

Now I made a Google search for the keywords of Exoplanet and Pulsar.
Because in an Atom Totality the likely reality of a pulsar is a dying
and going extinct civilization on its last gasps. These are advanced
civilizations stuck within their solar system and as a gravemarker they
are pulsing the rest of the Cosmos. So Pulsars are nothing more than
advanced civilizations going extinct. Their pulse message is probably a
code word for the highest nucleosynthesis their civilization has
achieved. If Humanity were to go extinct shortly, it would set up a
pulse system on Earth and we would likely pulse the code for Element
114 since that is the highest nucleosynthesis that humanity has
achieved.

Another code pulsed would be a advanced civilization that knows of its
coordinates in the 231Pu Atom Totality. They are so much more advanced
than humanity that they actually know where in the Atom Totality they
reside. They know how many parsecs they are from the Nucleus of the
Atom Totality and that is thier pulsing message as they go extinct, or
as they wish to inform those less bright civilizations.

Below is what Google spit out in hits on Exoplanets and Pulsars.
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Extrasolar planet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Among the known exoplanets are four pulsar planets orbiting two
separate pulsars. ... closer-in exoplanet was found around the pulsar,
it was named PSR ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet - 113k - Cached - Similar pages

Astronomers find smallest exoplanet (February 2005) - News ...
Astronomers find smallest exoplanet. 11 February 2005 ... The orbits of
the planets around the pulsar are like a scaled-down version of the
Solar System, ...
physicsweb.org/article/news/9/2/7 - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

Discovery Channel :: News :: Smallest Exoplanet Found
11, 2005 - Astronomers have discovered the smallest "exoplanet" yet
in a solar ... The discovery is actually of a fourth planet orbiting a
pulsar - the ...
dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20050207/exoplanet.html - 32k - Cached -
Similar pages

Discovery Channel :: News :: Smallest Exoplanet Found
A fourth planet has been found orbiting a pulsar, the smallest
exoplanet ever discovered, and in a solar system not unlike our own.
....
dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20050207/exoplanet_zoom0.html - 21k -
Cached - Similar pages

Exoplanets
A planet orbiting this pulsar will cause very slight variations in the
timing of these flashes which we can use to detect it. The very first
exoplanet ...
www.superwasp.org/exoplanets.htm - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

SkyTonight.com - News from SkyTonight - A Flurry of Exoplanet ...
A Flurry of Exoplanet Discoveries. February 10, 2005. by Robert Naeye
.... The object orbits the pulsar B1257+12, which was already known to
harbor three ...
skytonight.com/news/3310046.html?showAll=y&c=y - 27k - Cached - Similar
pages

Spacefleet Association - Astronomers find smallest exoplanet
The orbits of the planets around the pulsar are like a scaled-down
version of the ... Most read story about Astronomy: Astronomers find
smallest exoplanet ...
http://www.spacefleet.co.uk/portal/m...article&sid=47 -
25k - Cached - Similar pages

Space & Astronomy News - Smallest exoplanet found - 14/02/2005
The discovery is of a fourth planet orbiting a pulsar, the super dense,
spinning corpse of an old giant star. The exoplanet is named PSR
B1257+12 and is ...
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/s...sh_1302117.htm - 23k -

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Pulsars are not neutron-stars, but rather are civilizations who have
engineered a gigantic pulsing system on their planets. All pulsars are
more advanced civilizations than humanity.

And from what we have learned so far about Exoplanets is that they are
systems that alter their largest planets into becoming new stars within
their systems. Some of those large planets collide with their Sun, and
some form brand new stars to become binary stars. This is the likely
fate of Jupiter to become a binary star to our Sun, and if we do not
prepare for this cataclysm that will transpire sometime in the next 5
billion years, humanity will go extinct. Humanity can survive this
cataclysm and live beyond 5 billion years if it begins to form this
Economic Plan.

But I seriously doubt that our planet is the "Chosen Planet". Judging
from the fact that Quantum Mechanics was discovered by humanity in the
early years of the 20th century and because most of humanity still
believes in these gaggles of religion. That we are doomed to extinction
sometime before 100,000 years are up.

A planet far out in space whose civilization has discovered Quantum
Mechanics in "their 20th century" and shortly thereafter from their
discovery they replaced their political and economic systems and given
over to the scientists on their planet to run politics and economics.
These aliens would have also encountered Global Warming on their
planet, but unlike humanity, they would have solved Global Warming
within a couple of years of announcing that Global Warming was real.

Sadly, humanity is run mostly by religion kookery, and not by
scientists. So my crystal ball sees humanity as going extinct before
100,000 years are up. And some planets where science runs the entire
show will live on to a maturity of their civilization for 5 billion
years into the future and will vie for the competition of being the
Chosen Civilization that nucleosynthesizes Element 190 which will usher
into this Universe the next Atom Totality.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

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Old September 23rd 06, 09:48 PM posted to sci.econ,sci.bio.misc,sci.physics,sci.astro
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a_plutonium wrote:
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Astronomers find smallest exoplanet (February 2005) - News ...
Astronomers find smallest exoplanet. 11 February 2005 ... The orbits of
the planets around the pulsar are like a scaled-down version of the
Solar System, ...
physicsweb.org/article/news/9/2/7 - 19k - Cached - Similar pages


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quoting from this website
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/9/2/7

Astronomers find smallest exoplanet

11 February 2005

Astronomers in the US have discovered the smallest extrasolar planet to
date. The new planet, which is about one fifth the size of Pluto, is
the fourth planet to be discovered orbiting around a pulsar called PSR
B1257+12. The orbits of the planets around the pulsar are like a
scaled-down version of the Solar System, even though the central stars
in the two systems are completely different.

The discovery was announced by Alex Wolszczan of Pennsylvania State
University and Maciej Konacki of the California Institute of Technology
at a meeting in Aspen, Colorado, this week. Wolszczan also discovered
the first exoplanets -- three terrestrial-sized bodies orbiting around
PSR B1257+12 -- in 1992. Since then astronomers have found more than
100 exoplanets, mostly around conventional stars rather than extreme
objects such as pulsars.

The orbits of the three planets discovered around the pulsar in 1992
were almost in exact proportion to the spacings between Mercury, Venus
and Earth. The orbit of the new planet is close to the average distance
from the Sun to the asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and
Jupiter. Wolszczan and Konacki say that the new planet could mark the
fringes of the pulsar's planetary system, just like Pluto marks the
edge of ours.

"Surprisingly, the planetary system around this pulsar resembles our
own solar system more than any extrasolar planetary system discovered
around a Sun-like star," says Konacki.

The existence of the pulsar planets provides strong evidence that
Earth-mass planets can form just as easily as the much larger gas
giants which are known to orbit around more than 5% of nearby Sun-like
stars. However, the formation of Earth-like planets requires special
conditions, making such planets a rarity, says Wolszczan.

Pulsars are rapidly rotating neutron stars that are formed from the
collapsed cores of supergiant stars that have exploded as supernovae.
Typically they measure just 20 kilometres across, but are extremely
dense and send out highly regular beams of radio waves that are
detected as a series of pulses on Earth.

The presence of an object like a planet will cause small changes in the
arrival times of the pulses. The new planet was discovered with the
Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico.

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The scientists above in that quoted website made an interpretation of
what Pulsars are. They have a biased interpretation. They think pulsars
are neutron stars. But much of Quantum Mechanics disallows neutron
stars, and the Pauli Exclusion Principle (PEP) comes into action or
into play. Neutron stars are a violation of QM and the Pauli Exclusion
Principle.

So what are pulsars if not neutron stars. And the best answer and best
candidate is that Pulsars are dying civilizations or are simply
advanced civilizations wanting to "show off" to the rest of the Cosmic
neighbors and Earth is a neighbor to the above pulsar.

So if we replace all the reports of their alleged "neutron star" with
that of "advanced aliens pulsing on a exoplanet". We would likely
achieve a more accurate truth.

So let me ask these two scientists in an open letter question here on
the Internet.
Alex Wolszczan and Maciej Konacki would it be more likely that you have
3 planets similar to Mercury Venus Earth revolving around a neutron
star, than you would have 3 planets similar to Mercury Venus Earth
revolving around a huge planet that has a advanced civilization that is
pulsing messages.

You, see, the trouble that Alex and Maciej have run into with their
alleged belief that this is a neutron star is that it is incompatible
with having 3 planets revolving around a neutron star, in the first
place. The more commonsense interpretation would be that this object is
not a neutron star but simply a large massive planet that has advanced
life which pulses messages.

And the more of these Pulsars surrounded by "tranquil planets in orbit"
reported supports the idea that pulsars are advanced life.

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Old September 24th 06, 02:35 AM posted to sci.econ,sci.bio.misc,sci.physics,sci.astro
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a_plutonium wrote:

Economics as a science really does not start until Economics forms a
plan for which humanity lives and survives for the longest amount of
time. A ECONOMIC PLAN which staves off extinction of humanity for the
longest amount of time.

The extinction of humanity will be sure to come when Jupiter forms a
second star in our solar system. Due to the Fusion Barrier Principle,
we cannot escape or colonize outside our solar system. We are trapped
and confined to our solar system. So when a big change comes to our
solar system such as Jupiter becoming a 2nd star, then we perish if we
have not colonized to a safer planet (perhaps a planet such as Pluto).

So the science of ECONOMICS does not really start or begin until it
lays out a plan for which humanity survives into the future for as long
as possible.


Is what you're smoking addictive?

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Old September 24th 06, 06:31 AM posted to sci.econ,sci.bio.misc,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Default pulsar PSR B1257+12 is a dim star and not a pulsar open question to Alex Wolszczan and Maciej Konacki

(all snipped except)
The scientists above in that quoted website made an interpretation of
what Pulsars are. They have a biased interpretation. They think pulsars
are neutron stars. But much of Quantum Mechanics disallows neutron
stars, and the Pauli Exclusion Principle (PEP) comes into action or
into play. Neutron stars are a violation of QM and the Pauli Exclusion
Principle.

So what are pulsars if not neutron stars. And the best answer and best
candidate is that Pulsars are dying civilizations or are simply
advanced civilizations wanting to "show off" to the rest of the Cosmic
neighbors and Earth is a neighbor to the above pulsar.


I am going to argue with Wolszczan and Konacki on the issue of pulsar
PSR B1257+12 with its planets revolving around it.

It is much easier to say that the star is a dim star and not a neutron
star. It is much easier to say that the pulsing emanates not from the
star but from one of the planets that revolves around that star.

I am confident that if both Wolszczan and Konacki and others in the
astronomy community check on this star system, that it can be
reinterpreted such that the star is a dim star and the pulsing emanates
from one of the planets.

Why do I insist on this? Because I know that neutron stars do not exist
because they violate the Pauli Exclusion Principle.

And if Wolszczan and Konacki ignore my plea to check, well, I am
confident that the data from others will confirm and support my way of
thinking.

It should be obvious to both Wolszczan and Konacki that if a star
system undergoes such a life history of what a alleged neutron star
underwent, that it would not have a planetary system. What are these
people going to suggest next? That black-holes (also fictions) have
planets revolving around them.

So, if astronomers would spend the time to recheck the above pulsar, I
am confident that they will uncover details that points to the fact
that this PSR B1257+12 is simply a dim star and the pulsing is coming
from one of the planets revolving around that dim star.


Archimedes Plutonium
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where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


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Old September 24th 06, 07:00 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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Default PSR B1620-26 is probably advanced aliens and not a neutron star pulsar PSR B1257+12 is a dim star and not a pulsar

quoting
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Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/9903227

From: Stephen E. Thorsett [view email]
Date (v1): Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:48:09 GMT (44kb)
Date (revised v2): Wed, 12 May 1999 20:49:12 GMT (44kb)

The Triple Pulsar System PSR B1620-26 in M4
Authors: S. E. Thorsett (1), Z. Arzoumanian (2), F. Camilo (3), A. G.
Lyne (3) ((1) Princeton U., (2) Cornell U., (3) U. of Manchester,
Jodrell Bank)
Comments: 12 pages, 6 figures, 3 tables. Very minor clarifications and
rewording. Accepted for publication in the Astrophys. J
The millisecond pulsar PSR B1620-26, in the globular cluster M4, has a
white dwarf companion in a half-year orbit. Anomalously large
variations in the pulsar's apparent spin-down rate have suggested the
presence of a second companion in a much wider orbit. Using timing
observations made on more than seven hundred days spanning eleven
years, we confirm this anomalous timing behavior. We explicitly
demonstrate, for the first time, that a timing model consisting of the
sum of two non-interacting Keplerian orbits can account for the
observed signal. Both circular and elliptical orbits are allowed,
although highly eccentric orbits require improbable orbital geometries.
The motion of the pulsar in the inner orbit is very nearly a Keplerian
ellipse, but the tidal effects of the outer companion cause variations
in the orbital elements. We have measured the change in the projected
semi-major axis of the orbit, which is dominated by precession-driven
changes in the orbital inclination. This measurement, along with limits
on the rate of change of other orbital elements, can be used to
significantly restrict the properties of the outer orbit. We find that
the second companion most likely has a mass m~0.01 Msun --- it is
almost certainly below the hydrogen burning limit (m0.036 Msun, 95%
confidence) --- and has a current distance from the binary of ~35 AU
and orbital period of order one hundred years. Circular (and
near-circular) orbits are allowed only if the pulsar magnetic field is
~3x10^9 G, an order of magnitude higher than a typical millisecond
pulsar field strength. In this case, the companion has mass m~1.2x10^-3
Msun and orbital period ~62 years.

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I hate it when scientist go into a subject with preconceptions and
never bother to rule out other possibilities. The possibility that all
pulsars are advanced aliens who have engineered some signalling
equipment on their planet.

And so the scientists here on Earth, whenever they hear or see a pulsar
they immediately think-- aha -- a neutron star.

But they do not bother to rule out the other possibility, that those
pulses are from a planet of advanced aliens with signalling devices.

There is nothing in the above that suggests the scientists ruled out
aliens signalling. That the star in question is just some normal star
and that the pulsing is actually coming from one of the planets and not
the star itself.

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where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

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Old September 24th 06, 10:42 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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Well it is too bad that we as a civilization cannot build a pulsating
system and aim it at a nearby pulsar and then wait for that pulsar to
change its frequency. And then we, likewise change our frequency and
aim the beam back at the responding pulsar and they in turn change
their frequency. I hope you all get this. That it takes intelligent
life to change the frequency of a pulsar when beamed to respond.
Communication is in the changing of the signals.

So I looked in Wikipedia for their information on pulsars, and by the
way, I edited their page of various erroneous remarks. It appears that
too many GR propagandists wrote that wiki entry.

quoting Wikipedia
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* The first radio pulsar, CP 1919 (now known as PSR 1919+21), with
a pulse period of 1.337 seconds and a pulse width of 0.04 second, was
discovered in 1967 (Nature 217:709-713, 1968).
* The first binary pulsar, PSR 1913+16, confirming general
relativity and proving the existence of gravitational waves. Not true,
for both GR and GR waves have not been ruled out or ruled in as to
whether pulsars are alien communication.
* The first millisecond pulsar, PSR B1937+21
* The first X-ray pulsar, Cen X-3
* The first accreting millisecond X-ray pulsar, SAX J1808.4-3658
* The first pulsar with planets, PSR B1257+12
* The first double pulsar binary system, PSR J0737-3039
* The magnetar SGR 1806-20 produced the largest burst of energy in
the Galaxy ever experimentally recorded on 27 December 2004 Not true
for it was eclipsed by Cosmic Ray Burst.
* PSR B1931+24 "... appears as a normal pulsar for about a week and
then 'switches off' for about one month before emitting pulses again.
[..] this pulsar slows down more rapidly when the pulsar is on than
when it is off. [.. the] breaking mechanism must be related to the
radio emission and the processes creating it and the additional
slow-down can be explained by a wind of particles leaving the pulsar's
magnetosphere and carrying away rotational energy. [1]
* PSR J1748-2446ad, at 716 Hz, the fastest spinning pulsar known
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It looks to me as though PSR B1931+24 is a likely alien advanced
civilization.

To confirm this. All I need to do is find out what pulsars are closest
nearby to B1931+24. If there is a pulsar close-by and whether it has
changed frequency in the direction of B1931. This would indicate
communication between 2 pulsars.

So, let me summarize. For two alien advanced civilizations to
communicate, they would broadcast a steady mono pulse until someone
pulses them with a change in their pulse. The change tells the other
pulsar to make a change.

Analogy: lightning bugs communicate to other lightning bugs by changes,
not by a constant steady light.

So what we need to focus on is two relatively nearby pulsars in which
one changes its signal and then the other correspondingly changes its
signal, and then the other changes and so on.

Notice in the title I put "confirmed". Because really, if pulsars are
aliens, then we knew about them in 1967 and only until now confirmed
that they were aliens.

PS. they should have named pulsars with the year of discovery such as
PSR 1967

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Old September 24th 06, 11:06 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.engr
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I was trying to look for a diagram of where the nearby pulsars are from
one another. You see, if pulsars are spaced about 100 light years
apart, many civilizations would lose interest in waiting for 200 years
to say something back.

But if some pulsars are say within 10 light years from one another, it
would not be bad to say something to them and wait 20 years to make a
reply by changing the pulse frequency.

So I am wondering if there are 2 or more pulsars, nearby one another,
that have a changing frequency such as B1931+24.

If there are two or more such pulsars, would strongly indicate that
these are alien civilizations in communication.

Now has any physicist made a serious attempt of engineering a pulse
machine to imitate the frequency of a known pulsar? It is beyond our
current engineering capabilities?

And what is the closest or most nearby pulsar from Earth? And how far
away is PSR B1257+12


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Old September 24th 06, 09:25 PM posted to sci.astro
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Default PSR B1620-26 is probably advanced aliens and not a neutron star pulsar PSR B1257+12 is a dim star and not a pulsar

Rather unlikely.

Saul Levy


On 23 Sep 2006 23:00:58 -0700, "a_plutonium"
wrote:

I hate it when scientist go into a subject with preconceptions and
never bother to rule out other possibilities. The possibility that all
pulsars are advanced aliens who have engineered some signalling
equipment on their planet.

And so the scientists here on Earth, whenever they hear or see a pulsar
they immediately think-- aha -- a neutron star.

But they do not bother to rule out the other possibility, that those
pulses are from a planet of advanced aliens with signalling devices.

There is nothing in the above that suggests the scientists ruled out
aliens signalling. That the star in question is just some normal star
and that the pulsing is actually coming from one of the planets and not
the star itself.

Archimedes Plutonium

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Old September 26th 06, 09:36 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.engr
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Default Occam's Razor on pulsars built by aliens PSR B1620-26 is probablyadvanced aliens and not a neutron star



Saul Levy wrote:
Rather unlikely.

Saul Levy


Saul, I wonder if you ever taken the time to figure out how to build a
Pulsar Machine that imitates and mimics the pulsar that is nearest or
closest to Earth. I suspect it is the Gimenga pulsar that is 500 light-
years from Earth. And then compute how much of a electric power station
you need in electric energy to imitate the pulses that Gimenga pulsar
produces.

So have you computed how to build a Pulsar Machine that imitates cosmic
pulsars and have you computed how much energy to mimic this pulsar?

What I am doing is showing how easy it is to build a pulsar machine the
imitates cosmic-pulsars. And showing how easy it is to build and to run
and operate a Pulsar Machine. This is Occam's Razor in a grand style and
fashion. It is Occam's Razor, because once you build this Pulsar
Machine, a High-school student will come by and ask the question-- why
would any star become a pulsar when life can imitate and do everything
that a neutron-star-pulsar can do.

In other words, all pulsars are alien civilizations.

For Saul to say "unlikely" would mean that Saul has computed that
humanity can not build a Pulsar Machine that imitates cosmic pulsars and
that the energy required to run and operate such a machine is beyond the
engineering of humanity.

So show us your calculations Saul.

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