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CEV Update
April 16, 2006

This coming week is a time of decision for the CEV/CLV program. We
are back to a 4 segment
SRB. The 5 segment SRB 1st stage required an additional $1,000,000,000
next year to certify
for flight. They wanted to change the propellant grain. This was
driving a full test program and
a massive amount of analysis. Simple put, the SRB program was
starting over. We may add a
second J-2 engine to the upperstage of the CLV to get more energy.
However we can't make
the 2nd stage much wider or the SRB will snap. The option to add a
third stage to the CLV is
out. A three stage CLV would not fit out the VAB doors. The Launch
Abort Rocket design is
fixed. It looks and works like the escape rocket on the Soyuz. This
allow us to fly without a
booster cover on the CEV capsule. Right now we can't fly the Lunar
CEV SM and CM on one
CLV rocket so the new plan is called "Lunar 2.5". We launch the CEV
service module (minus
the CEV capsule) on a CLV 1st. Followed in a day to two by a CEV
Command Module and
crew (minus the SM) launched by a second CLV. The CM rendezvous and
docks the with SM.
Followed the next day with launch of the heavy lift (HLV) booster with
the earth departure
stage and Lunar Lander. They all form up and away we go! One more
idea from this week
you might find interesting. Cancel the CLV and man rate the HLV. That
will most likely not
happen. It should, saves a ton of cash and gets us to one design. One
more new bit. Two
SRB's, one on each side of the new upperstage. Looks a lot like the
Shuttle C concept with the
CEV on top. Could happen. Solves the energy problem. But, it's not
Monday yet. Lastly the ISS
CEV will have very small version of the SM (sort of a limited
propulsion module).

wrote:

We
are back to a 4 segment
SRB.


Says who?

The 5 segment SRB 1st stage required an additional $1,000,000,000
next year to certify
for flight.


Says who?

However we can't make
the 2nd stage much wider or the SRB will snap.


Says who?


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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:09:37 GMT, in a place far, far away, Scott
Lowther made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

wrote:

We
are back to a 4 segment
SRB.


Says who?

The 5 segment SRB 1st stage required an additional $1,000,000,000
next year to certify
for flight.


Says who?

However we can't make
the 2nd stage much wider or the SRB will snap.


Says who?

http://www.spacetransportnews.com/

There doesn't seem to be a permanent link to it, but it's the second
item down right now.

h (Rand Simberg) wrote in
:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:09:37 GMT, in a place far, far away, Scott
Lowther made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

wrote:

We
are back to a 4 segment
SRB.


Says who?

The 5 segment SRB 1st stage required an additional $1,000,000,000
next year to certify
for flight.


Says who?

However we can't make
the 2nd stage much wider or the SRB will snap.


Says who?

http://www.spacetransportnews.com/

There doesn't seem to be a permanent link to it, but it's the second
item down right now.

Try this:

http://www.hobbyspace.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=1411

(I like the statement "No comments this time until there are some
confirmations!" News flash! Alt.space web site realizes that sometimes
partial, premature, or misleading information gets leaked to support the
personal agenda of the leaker! Film at eleven!)

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I put low credibility in anythng I read in Blogs.

Trust only in credible news sources.

Matthew Ota

On 16 Apr 2006 21:07:37 -0700, in a place far, far away,
" made the phosphor on
my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

I put low credibility in anythng I read in Blogs.

Trust only in credible news sources.

Some blogs are credible, some aren't. Some professional news
organizations are credible, some aren't. In both cases, sometimes
credible people get it wrong (in this case, the story was retracted
prominently, something that doesn't always happen with the mainstream
press).

It's not useful to make such broad generalizations.

Rand Simberg wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:09:37 GMT, in a place far, far away, Scott
Lowther made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

wrote:

We
are back to a 4 segment
SRB.


Says who?

http://www.spacetransportnews.com/

That link doesn't seem to be working. But when you read it, did it
actually give actual information, such as a source for this rather
startling info?

On 17 Apr 2006 07:44:00 -0700, in a place far, far away,
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

wrote:

We
are back to a 4 segment
SRB.


Says who?

http://www.spacetransportnews.com/

That link doesn't seem to be working.

Sorry, Clark Lindsey's site doesn't give the proper URL when you
follow a link. Try this one.

http://www.usspacenews.com/

It's about four items down, now.

But when you read it, did it
actually give actual information, such as a source for this rather
startling info?

No.

I don't give it much credence, for now.

http://www.usspacenews.com/

Tends to be accurate and leaks stuff un the past....

The info makes sense

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:07:28 GMT, h (Rand
Simberg) wrote:

Some blogs are credible, some aren't. Some professional news
organizations are credible, some aren't. In both cases, sometimes
credible people get it wrong (in this case, the story was retracted
prominently, something that doesn't always happen with the mainstream
press).

It's not useful to make such broad generalizations.

....Jesus H. Christ on South Park! That's *got* to be a record for the
longest response Rand's ever given!

This is my fault. I should have never agreed with him about _Airport_.
I've upset the Cosmic Balance...

OM
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