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Old April 7th 09, 06:20 AM posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
BURT
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How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star?

How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar
plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets?

There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together
for the order of the solar system we now see?

Nobody can do it. And never will.

Mitch Raemsch
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Old April 7th 09, 08:00 AM posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Mark Earnest
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"BURT" wrote in message
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How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star?

How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar
plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets?

There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together
for the order of the solar system we now see?

Nobody can do it. And never will.

Mitch Raemsch


Gas does not come together.
It dissipates.
There is no way the solar system could have formed,
except by supernatural accomplishment.


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Old April 7th 09, 08:44 AM posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Martin Brown
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message
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How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star?

How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar
plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets?

There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together
for the order of the solar system we now see?

Nobody can do it. And never will.

Mitch Raemsch


Gas does not come together.
It dissipates.
There is no way the solar system could have formed,
except by supernatural accomplishment.


Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well.

http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...&SubCate2=SS13

Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Old April 7th 09, 09:16 AM posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Mark Earnest
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message
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How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star?

How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar
plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets?

There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together
for the order of the solar system we now see?

Nobody can do it. And never will.

Mitch Raemsch


Gas does not come together.
It dissipates.
There is no way the solar system could have formed,
except by supernatural accomplishment.


Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well.

http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...&SubCate2=SS13

Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic.

Regards,
Martin Brown


No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System.
Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation."


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Old April 7th 09, 10:05 AM posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Mike Dworetsky
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Default Addressing the formation of the solar system

"Mark Earnest" wrote in message
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message
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How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star?

How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar
plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets?

There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together
for the order of the solar system we now see?

Nobody can do it. And never will.

Mitch Raemsch

Gas does not come together.
It dissipates.
There is no way the solar system could have formed,
except by supernatural accomplishment.


Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well.

http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...&SubCate2=SS13

Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic.

Regards,
Martin Brown


No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System.
Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation."



No, you tell me how "Goddidit" is not a cryptic explanation first.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

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Old April 7th 09, 11:09 PM posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Mark Earnest
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"Mike Dworetsky" wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" wrote in message
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message
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How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star?

How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar
plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets?

There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together
for the order of the solar system we now see?

Nobody can do it. And never will.

Mitch Raemsch

Gas does not come together.
It dissipates.
There is no way the solar system could have formed,
except by supernatural accomplishment.

Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well.

http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...&SubCate2=SS13

Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic.

Regards,
Martin Brown


No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System.
Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation."



No, you tell me how "Goddidit" is not a cryptic explanation first.


Can't explain it, just as I thought.


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Old April 7th 09, 11:38 AM posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Martin Brown
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message
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How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star?

How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar
plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets?

There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together
for the order of the solar system we now see?

Nobody can do it. And never will.

Mitch Raemsch
Gas does not come together.
It dissipates.
There is no way the solar system could have formed,
except by supernatural accomplishment.


Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well.

http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...&SubCate2=SS13

Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic.

Regards,
Martin Brown


No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System.


Gravitational attraction of mostly neutral matter, a small amount of
dissipative friction and radiative cooling of the accretion disk is all
that is needed to allow solar systems to form and planets to condense.
Gravity is the weakest magnitude force but it always attracts.

Shockwaves and excreta from nearby supernovae almost certainly played a
part in our solar systems formation - it contains far too much iron and
heavier elements to be a first generation star.

Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation."


You mean like you do? Superstitious cryptic "just so" stories are no
"explanation" of anything.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Old April 7th 09, 11:11 PM posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Mark Earnest
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message
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How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star?

How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar
plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets?

There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together
for the order of the solar system we now see?

Nobody can do it. And never will.

Mitch Raemsch
Gas does not come together.
It dissipates.
There is no way the solar system could have formed,
except by supernatural accomplishment.


Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well.

http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...&SubCate2=SS13

Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic.

Regards,
Martin Brown


No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System.


Gravitational attraction of mostly neutral matter, a small amount of
dissipative friction and radiative cooling of the accretion disk is all
that is needed to allow solar systems to form and planets to condense.
Gravity is the weakest magnitude force but it always attracts.

Shockwaves and excreta from nearby supernovae almost certainly played a
part in our solar systems formation - it contains far too much iron and
heavier elements to be a first generation star.

Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation."


You mean like you do? Superstitious cryptic "just so" stories are no
"explanation" of anything.

Regards,
Martin Brown


It isn't "matter" that coalesced, it is gas, and gas does not coalesce
without some kind of help.

If you don't know about the supernatural, then you don't know
why under the correct conditions, corn turns inside out to form popcorn.


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Old April 7th 09, 11:40 PM posted to sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Mark McIntyre[_2_]
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On 07/04/09 09:16, Mark Earnest wrote:

No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System.


It didn't "anti-dissipate".

Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation."


Whats your "explanation"? Please don't rely on some cryptic nonsense
such as "a divine being did it".

Incidentally does our atmosphere dissipate, or does some
"anti-dissipation" force keep it swirling round the earth? How about the
moon?

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Old April 8th 09, 12:46 AM posted to sci.astro,alt.astronomy,uk.sci.astronomy
Mark Earnest
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"Mark McIntyre" wrote in message
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On 07/04/09 09:16, Mark Earnest wrote:

No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System.


It didn't "anti-dissipate".


It came together, right?
Then it must have dissipated in reverse, in other words.



Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation."


Whats your "explanation"? Please don't rely on some cryptic nonsense such
as "a divine being did it".


That is not cryptic.



Incidentally does our atmosphere dissipate, or does some
"anti-dissipation" force keep it swirling round the earth?


Earth has enough heavy elements to hold down the atmosphere.
Deep space does not.

How about the
moon?



The Moon simply does not have sufficient gravity.
But you already knew that.

Even scientists aren't completely wrong.


 




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