Dark fantasies?

Why couldn't dark matter and dark energy be "leakage" across the
boundary with another dimension (or dimensions)?

On May 4, 9:52 am, Sam Wormley wrote:
Chris.B wrote:
Why couldn't dark matter and dark energy be "leakage" across the
boundary with another dimension (or dimensions)?

To date there is no evidence for and extra dimensions or other
universes for that matter.

History of the Universe from This Week's Finds in Mathematical
Physics (Week 196) -- First of all, we only "know" anything about
the world on the basis of various assumptions. If our assumptions
turn out to be wrong, our "knowledge" may turn out to be wrong too.
Even worse, our favorite concepts may turn out to be meaningless, or
meaningful only under some restrictions.

So, when we talk about what happened in the first microsecond after
the Big Bang, we're not claiming absolute certainty. Instead, we're
using various widely accepted assumptions about physics to guess what
happened. Given these assumptions, the concept of "the first
microsecond after the Big Bang" makes perfect sense. But if these
assumptions are wrong, the whole question could dissolve into
meaninglessness. That's just a risk we have to run. What are these
assumptions, exactly? They include:

1. General Relativity
2. Standard Model of particle physics
supplemented by
3. Dark Energy (a non zero cosmological constant)
4. Dark Matter (electromagnetic non interaction)

Assumptions 3 and 4 are the ones most people like to worry about,
because our only evidence for them comes from cosmological
observations, and if they're true, they probably require some sort of
modification of the Standard Model. But if we don't make these
assumptions, our model of cosmology just doesn't work... while if we
*do*, it seems to work quite well. In fact, the WMAP experiment gives
a lot of new evidence that it works surprisingly well.

GTR fruitful tool to map Dark Matter!

Scientists Map Dark Matter, Prove Einstein Right
http://www.space.com/news/cosmic_shear_000512.html

Particle Dark Matter: Evidence, Candidates and Constraints
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175

Dark Matter -- One Mystery Solved (Update)
http://www.physorg.com/news7058.html

Until recently cosmologists could not explain why
elliptical galaxies did not appear to have dark matter
haloes surrounding them, which is known to exist in other
types of galaxies. Analyzing data from a simulation
performed on one of the most advanced supercomputers in
the world, an Israeli cosmologist showed that the existing
model of elliptical galaxies was wrong, proving that dark
matter was there all along.

See:http://www.physorg.com/news7058.html

Dark energy,dark matter or dark anything are just the end products of
the empirical approach to astronomy,and catastrophic approach at
that.The appreciation of the maginficence of the great astronomical
cycles from axial rotation,heliocentric orbital motion ,galactic
orbital motion and any other cycle we participate in are within the
capabilities of everyone here who looks out into the celestial arena
but are lost in the babble of exotic 'dark' notions which exist only
in the imagination of people who care about meaningless equations
rather than physical considerations.

The stage is set for everyone here to appreciate the clear distinction
between the brilliant Western astronomical insights and the hideous
17th century mutations which give rise to conceptual monsters like
'dark' solutions,monsters that originate from the false Newtonian
approach to retrogrades.

The 24 hour/360 degree correlation as a heliocentric affirmation of
the correct Copernican approach to retrogrades and their resolution
stand opposite the false 23 hour 56 minute correlation of Flamsteed
allied with the false Newtonian approach to retrogrades and their
resolution.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2000_tezel.gif

Those images rendered into time lapse footage of the Earth overtaking
the slower forward outer planets of Jupiter and Saturn awakes
astronomy from 3 centuries of the stony silence of celestial sphere
astrology.You can forget not only your 'dark' solutions and the
exotic 20th century science fiction concepts and you can even forget
the original terrestrial ballistics agenda applied to planetary motion
by Newton for none of it ever worked astronomically,observationally
and bottom line.

Your magnification /theortical cult will bet that people are too
indifferent and too stupid to know the difference but I assure you
that I have seen the interest of people in their almost lost
astronomical heritage,the 'Longitude story' being one of the first
signs of recovery of the great astronomical principles.

On 4 May 2007 01:29:14 -0700, "Chris.B" wrote:

Why couldn't dark matter and dark energy be "leakage" across the
boundary with another dimension (or dimensions)?

Dark matter is probably nothing special, it just doesn't interact
strongly with EM (we are already familiar with such matter). You might
as well ask why ordinary baryonic matter isn't leakage from another
dimension (whatever that means).

Dark energy has nothing at all to do with dark matter (outside the
choice of the word "dark"), so I don't know why you would try to tie
them to a common "cause".

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

Sam Wormley quoted:
What's the difference between dark matter and dark energy?

From "Ask the Astronomer"
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=634

[snip]

Dark energy, which also goes by the names of the cosmological constant
or quintessence...

Not the same things, incidentally.

--
Brian Tung
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html

On May 4, 3:54 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
Brian Tung wrote:
Sam Wormley quoted:
What's the difference between dark matter and dark energy?

From "Ask the Astronomer"
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=634

[snip]

Dark energy, which also goes by the names of the cosmological constant
or quintessence...

Not the same things, incidentally.

True... The candidates do not fit.

These 'dark' solutions are just a consequence of the original ad hoc
solution Isaac used to explain planetary motion via the Ra/Dec system.

Any person with a shread of astronomical common sense today would
marvel at how primitive Newton's view of the solar system in isolation
from the rest of the visible stars now is -

Cor. 2. "And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax from
the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I." NEWTON

The chances are that Keplerian orbital geometries are a consequence of
compound heliocentric orbital motion and the motion of the planets for
6 months in the direction of galactic orbital motion and 6 months
against the direction of the solar system's galactic orbital motion or
the relationship of the orbital motions of the planets to the galactic
forward moving Sun.In any case, the solar system's galactic orbital
motion in tandem with the visible stars in their motion in one
direction about the galactic axis is already there for those who can
escape Newtonian celestial sphere views.

I have to laugh at how 'dark' matter survives in a forum full of
magnification guys.

On May 4, 3:29 am, "Chris.B" wrote:
Why couldn't dark matter and dark energy be "leakage" across the
boundary with another dimension (or dimensions)?

There was an article in one of the science magazines (Sci Am ?) a few
years ago that dealt with a string theory conjecture that gravity was
relatively weak (compared to the other fundamental forces) exactly
because the strings that make up gravity do not stay bound to the
local membrane, and hence are free to drift away. Gravity then, is
the result of the few strings remaining in the local universe.

Cheers,
Larry G.

"Chris.B" wrote:

Why couldn't dark matter and dark energy be "leakage" across the
boundary with another dimension (or dimensions)?

Infact it can. The third corellary to the 5th Janeway/Riker law proves
that as long as a trans galactic plenum continues to bend both time
and space in the usual way, transmissions of both dark matter and dark
energy not only leak from one dimension to another in the 11 dimension
string space, but during leakage maximums, no other leakages are
possible.

Dr. Image Nius
Professor Emeritus Max Platt Institute
Department of Warp Studies, Thorne Chair

On May 5, 6:12 pm, Jim Klein wrote:

Infact it can. The third corellary to the 5th Janeway/Riker law proves
that as long as a trans galactic plenum continues to bend both time
and space in the usual way, transmissions of both dark matter and dark
energy not only leak from one dimension to another in the 11 dimension
string space, but during leakage maximums, no other leakages are
possible.

Dr. Image Nius
Professor Emeritus Max Platt Institute
Department of Warp Studies, Thorne Chair

So there's still hope? ;-)

You seem to have an understanding of these matters which exceeds that
of Oriel's by several orders of magnitude. (if I may so boldly
speak) :-)

"Chris.B" wrote:

On May 5, 6:12 pm, Jim Klein wrote:

Infact it can. The third corellary to the 5th Janeway/Riker law proves
that as long as a trans galactic plenum continues to bend both time
and space in the usual way, transmissions of both dark matter and dark
energy not only leak from one dimension to another in the 11 dimension
string space, but during leakage maximums, no other leakages are
possible.

Dr. Image Nius
Professor Emeritus Max Platt Institute
Department of Warp Studies, Thorne Chair

So there's still hope? ;-)

You seem to have an understanding of these matters which exceeds that
of Oriel's by several orders of magnitude. (if I may so boldly
speak) :-)

You may, you may

Image

"Chris.B" wrote:

Why couldn't dark matter and dark energy be "leakage" across the
boundary with another dimension (or dimensions)?

I must appologize for Dr Image Nious' post.

We had the little bugger locked up in an institution for mad geniuses,
but someone smuggled a computer with a wireless internet connection to
him.

Jim Klein
James E. Klein


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