Problems with Problems With The Orion Spacecraft #6 - Air Force Funding

"Air Force was approached, it repeatedly refused to fund Orion..." -
POS
http://www.alternatehistory.com/gate...nProblems.html
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"we decided ... to stick with the Air Force" - Freeman Dyson - Project
Orion page 199

"Air force physicists in Alberquerque were enthusiastic supporters from
the beginning and stayed with Orion till the end.

-Project Orion page 198


http://spacebombardment.blogspot.com...-orion_05.html
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In article . com,
bombardmentforce wrote:
"Air Force was approached, it repeatedly refused to fund Orion..." -
http://www.alternatehistory.com/gate...nProblems.html
"we decided ... to stick with the Air Force" - Freeman Dyson - Project
Orion page 199
"Air force physicists in Alberquerque were enthusiastic supporters from
the beginning and stayed with Orion till the end.
-Project Orion page 198

You know, this is pretty pitiful -- is this quibbling and semantic
hairsplitting and quotation out of context really the best you can do?

The three quotes are talking about different things: the first is talking
about large-scale funding for full development (repeatedly refused), the
second about a trickle of ARPA/USAF funding for small studies (provided,
for a while), and the third about USAF researchers with no significant
funding authority (indeed, if you actually read that page, the physicists'
support is mentioned in the context of explaining that higher levels of
the USAF "are so far quite convinced we are crazy").
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"At around that point, US space efforts were reorganized so that all
military projects were funded by the Air Force and all civilian
projects by NASA. When the Air Force was approached, it repeatedly
refused to fund Orion"

The three quotes are talking about different things: the first is talking
about large-scale funding for full development

I don't see the words 'large scale...full' in the orginal, perhaps Ian
could fix this error with his mad writing skilz.
I'll throw "Stong Dogs" in here also so I don't have to number it.

higher levels of the USAF "are so far quite convinced we are crazy"

Not 'higher levels' of USAF, "the military", "higher political levels".
We know CINCSAC Power was a supporter and Chief of Staff of the
United States Air Force LeMay, the senior uniformed Air Force officer.
So "higher" opposition must have been by non Air Force individuals to
be derided later.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:54:24 GMT, (Henry Spencer)
wrote:

In article . com,
bombardmentforce wrote:
"Air Force was approached, it repeatedly refused to fund Orion..." -
http://www.alternatehistory.com/gate...nProblems.html
"we decided ... to stick with the Air Force" - Freeman Dyson - Project
Orion page 199
"Air force physicists in Alberquerque were enthusiastic supporters from
the beginning and stayed with Orion till the end.
-Project Orion page 198

You know, this is pretty pitiful -- is this quibbling and semantic
hairsplitting and quotation out of context really the best you can do?


I figure sooner or later Bombardmentforce is going to realise that he
is talking to an empty room.

He's well on his way of joining the ranks of Maxon, CT, Suff and Scott
Grissom

He sounds very similar to a kook from soc.history.what-if named John
Freck.

Kelly McDonald
The three quotes are talking about different things: the first is talking
about large-scale funding for full development (repeatedly refused), the
second about a trickle of ARPA/USAF funding for small studies (provided,
for a while), and the third about USAF researchers with no significant
funding authority (indeed, if you actually read that page, the physicists'
support is mentioned in the context of explaining that higher levels of
the USAF "are so far quite convinced we are crazy").

I can't even tell whether "bombardmentforce" is a kook who thinks Orion
could never have worked or a kook who thinks it's the future of space
travel.

Cambias
www.zygotegames.com

Kelly McDonald wrote:
"Air Force was approached, it repeatedly refused to fund Orion..." -
http://www.alternatehistory.com/gate...nProblems.html

an empty room.

The empty part of the room likes lies, the good part of the room likes
Truth.

Camdias
I can't even tell whether "bombardmentforce" ... thinks Orion
could never have worked or ... thinks it's the future of space
travel.

http://spacebombardment.blogspot.com/

Thesis:"Reasons why we should build a modern version of the Deep Space
Bombardment Force. To replace our current atomic arsenal and to grasp
the next American Frontier."

Can you hear me now?

Yes. And you share a problem with a great many fanatics: there's a
difference between people not hearing you and people not agreeing with
you.

For instance, myself. I wouldn't exist had it not been for the atomic
weapons that ended World War II, I'm second to none in my enthusiasm
for space exploration, and I've always thought radiation is overrated
as a hazard. But I still don't think orbital nukes, or lunar ones, or
space crowbars o'doom, are a good idea. The current strategic
environment doesn't really require anything like that.

Repeating your message won't convince me, either. I understand what
you're saying, I just don't agree with you.

And for the record, my name is...
Cambias
www.zygotegames.com

In article . com, Cambias
says...

I can't even tell whether "bombardmentforce" is a kook who thinks Orion
could never have worked or a kook who thinks it's the future of space
travel.

He is a Type II Kook, in your scheme. And he's got it dialed to eleven.


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I can't even tell

A people not hearing you
B people not agreeing with you.


Is you A or is you B?

second to none in my enthusiasm for space exploration

Second to Ulam, Dyson, Taylor, Sakharov, Power, LeMay, thousands of
others... and now me.

The current strategic environment doesn't really require

The current stategic environment is unstable
http://spacebombardment.blogspot.com...07/motive.html

How many FOBS would a mullah build if a mullah could build FOBS?


Repeating your message

You claimed you hadn't ever head it. "I can't even tell "


I understand what you're saying
I can't even tell

my name is
I can't even tell if you name is "this" or if it is "that".