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[MWEA] "Countdown" scenes at Lunar Gemini spread
From the recently nicely-spiffed-up and augmented with new imagery Gemini Lunar Surface Rescue Spacecraft pages at Mark Wade's, at: http://www.astronautix.com/craft/gemcraft.htm ....have a look at this scene from "Countdown" at: http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/g/gemlanv2.jpg Check out this shot of James Caan piloting the Lunar Gemini down to the surface. Why does this cockpit look _way_ too large? Why does it look like a cross between the old Soviet TKS cockpit and those fake-ass Gemini cockpits in "I Dream Of Jeannie" that you see Nelson and Healy in when Jeannie decides to blink herself into Nelson's lap? -- "All over, people changing their roles, along with their overcoats; if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway!" --the clash. __________________________________________________ _________________ Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org Mike Flugennock's Mikey'zine, dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org |
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[MWEA] "Countdown" scenes at Lunar Gemini spread
"Mike Flugennock" wrote in message
... From the recently nicely-spiffed-up and augmented with new imagery Gemini Lunar Surface Rescue Spacecraft pages at Mark Wade's, at: http://www.astronautix.com/craft/gemcraft.htm ...have a look at this scene from "Countdown" at: http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/g/gemlanv2.jpg Check out this shot of James Caan piloting the Lunar Gemini down to the surface. Why does this cockpit look _way_ too large? Why does it look like a cross between the old Soviet TKS cockpit and those fake-ass Gemini cockpits in "I Dream Of Jeannie" that you see Nelson and Healy in when Jeannie decides to blink herself into Nelson's lap? Landing was one of the problems with Lunar Gemini - landing while laying on one's back would have been 'problematic' to say the least. -- Alan Erskine alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au John Howard doesn't speak for this Australian in the Amrosi death sentence - Jail, not death. |
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[MWEA] "Countdown" scenes at Lunar Gemini spread
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says... In article , (Harald Kucharek) wrote: One of the movie snapshot images says: "The first man on the moon sets up from his lunar Gemini on the moon - scene from the film 'Countdown'." It's a long time ago I saw that movie, but didn't he find the wreck of a Russian spacecraft with some dead astronauts around it? You're right, but having killed themselves in the attempt, I'd suspect that they wouldn't count. I think there was a stipulation about getting there and home safely without winding up plastered into the regolith. Yeah -- but there isn't any guarantee, at the end of the film (or the book on which it's based, for that matter) that the Pilgrim astronaut would ever get back to earth safely. They only established that he would likely reach his shelter and make it for a month or so, until another shelter was launched. One of the real drawbacks of the Lunar Surface Rendezvous plan was that your shelter could only be launched with enough consumables to last about a month or so. You needed to keep launching shelters to keep your intrepid lunar explorer alive for yet another month. One launch or landing failure (or failures in any of the shelter systems) would doom your crewman. Now, here's a question. The LM was really designed to be operated by two people. Would it be safe to land a LM with only one crewman? If not, how would you return your intrepid LSR explorer? Sit him on the engine cover and bring him back instead of any moon rocks? And while your moon rock weight budget approximated the weight of an adult human male, it didn't cover the weight of a third pressure suit -- and you would never be able to jettison the pressure suit without killing someone. You'd have to modify the LM ascent stage significantly to allow it to perform an ascent with three men aboard, wouldn't you? The only other obvious answer -- have the LMP from the Apollo "rescue" flight take the Pilgrim astronaut's place as the long-term lunar surface crewman -- means you're still leaving someone to the mercy of continued shelter launches. Unless you could land a LOT of mass and set up a working closed-loop ECS (at least as far as water is concerned), start extracting oxygen from the rocks, and start growing food on-site, you're not going to get away from the need for regular reservicing missions. I imagine this is one of the biggest reasons why the Pilgrim concept never got off the ground. Besides, a Gemini landing (or, as in the book, a Mercury landing) is still a pretty iffy proposition, IMHO. -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for | Doug Van Dorn thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup | |
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[MWEA] "Countdown" scenes at Lunar Gemini spread
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:11:23 -0400, (Mike Flugennock) wrote:
Are you suggesting that Jeannie was some kind of hoax? Dude, I'm just saying that even if Jeannie _were_ able to squeeze herself into Nelson's lap in there, there wouldn't be enough room for him to wiggle out of his suit and have any kind of fun. It'd be a forced threesome, as PLT Healy would've had to skootch out of his seat and give his CDR someplace to cram his suit. Even then, you'd have to worry about Jeannie's elegant backside bumping the wrong stick. But Jeannie had the power to make herself and others really small. A fact that escapes most of the IDOJ hoax/conspiracy theorists... Maybe in an MOL cabin, but I can't find any entries at MWEA that'd suggest Nelson and Healy being _anywhere_ in the rotation for that. Still, the fact that they're seen flying missions so many times throughout IDOJ suggests that they may have had a fair amount of "pull" in Deke's office. Deke depended pretty heavily on Dr. Bellow's recommendations, as well as those of Deputy Administrator Sheldon. Besides, I'm still trying to figure how Aldrin got his pipe aboard: http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/iams/imag...2/10074594.htm ... and, never mind flying to the Moon on an HP calculator, this boy's working up his Agena docking numbers on a freekin' _slide_rule_. I don't even want to think about where he may have hidden his pipe Dale |
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[MWEA] "Countdown" scenes at Lunar Gemini spread
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:02:12 -0400, (Mike
Flugennock) wrote: From the recently nicely-spiffed-up and augmented with new imagery Gemini Lunar Surface Rescue Spacecraft pages at Mark Wade's, at: http://www.astronautix.com/craft/gemcraft.htm ...have a look at this scene from "Countdown" at: http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/g/gemlanv2.jpg Check out this shot of James Caan piloting the Lunar Gemini down to the surface. Why does this cockpit look _way_ too large? Why does it look like a cross between the old Soviet TKS cockpit and those fake-ass Gemini cockpits in "I Dream Of Jeannie" that you see Nelson and Healy in when Jeannie decides to blink herself into Nelson's lap? There's a shot in the Yahoo spacemodeling newsgroup of a guy that built a model of the spacecraft that was used in the movie. Very cool...... -- "All over, people changing their roles, along with their overcoats; if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway!" --the clash. _________________________________________________ __________________ Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org Mike Flugennock's Mikey'zine, dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org |
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