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The Global Warming Scam

Category: News & Opinion (General) Topic: Science & Technology
Source: atimes.com
Published: February 25, 2005 Author: By Derek Kelly, PhD

Feb 25, 2005

SPEAKING FREELY

The Global Warming Scam

By Derek Kelly, PhD

Speaking Freely is an Asia Times Online feature that allows guest writers to
have their say. Please click here if you are interested in contributing.

Scam, noun: a swindle, a fraudulent arrangement.

A chronology of climate change

During most of the last billion years the Earth did not have permanent ice
sheets. Nevertheless, at times large areas of the globe were covered with
vast sheets of ice. Such times are known as glaciations. In the past 2
million to 3 million years, the temperature of the Earth has changed (warmed
or cooled) at least 17 times, some say 33, with glaciations that last about
100,000 years interrupted by warm periods that last about 10,000 years.

The last glaciation began 70,000 years ago and ended about 10,000 years ago.
The Earth was a lot colder than it is now; snow and ice had accumulated on a
lot of the land, glaciers existed on large areas and the sea levels were
lower.

15,000 years ago: The last glaciation reaches a peak, with continental
glaciers that cover a lot of the sub-polar and polar areas of the land areas
of Earth. In North America, all of New England and all of the Great Lakes
area, most of Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota and the North Dakotas, lie under ice
sheets hundreds of meters thick. More than 37 million cubic kilometers of
ice was tied up in these global sheets of ice. The average temperature on
the surface of the Earth is estimated to have been cooler by approximately 6
degrees Celsius than currently. The sea level was more than 90 meters lower
than currently.

15,000 years ago to 6,000 years ago: Global warming begins. The sheets of
ice melt, and sea levels rise. Some heat source causes approximately 37
million cubic kilometers of ice to melt in approximately 9,000 years. Around
9,500 years ago, the last of the Northern European sheets of ice leave
Scandinavia. Around 7,500 years ago, the last of the American sheets of ice
leave Canada. This warming is neither stable nor the same everywhere. There
are periods when mountain glaciers advance, and periods when they withdraw.
These climatic changes vary extensively from place to place, with some areas
affected while others are not. The tendency of warming is global and
obvious, but very uneven. The causes of this period of warming are unknown.

8,000 years ago to 4,000 years ago: About 6,000 years ago, temperatures on
the surface of Earth are about 3 degrees warmer than currently. The Arctic
Ocean is ice-free, and mountain glaciers have disappeared from the mountains
of Norway and the Alps in Europe, and from the Rocky Mountains of the United
States and Canada. The ocean of the world is some three meters higher than
currently. A lot of the present desert of the Sahara has a more humid,
savannah-like climate, with giraffes and savannah fauna species.

4,000 years ago to AD 900: Global cooling begins. The Arctic Ocean freezes
over, mountain glaciers form once more in the Rocky Mountains, in Norway and
in the Alps. The Black Sea freezes over several times, and ice forms on the
Nile in Egypt. Northern Europe gets a lot wetter, and the marshes develop
again in previously dry areas. The sea level drops to approximately its
present level. The temperatures on the surface of the Earth are about 0.5-1
degree cooler than at present. The causes of this period of cooling are
unknown.

AD 1000 to 1500: This period has quick, but uneven, warming of the climate
of the Northern Hemisphere. The North Atlantic becomes ice-free and Norse
exploration as far as North America takes place. The Norse colonies in
Greenland even export crop surpluses to Scandinavia. Wine grapes grow in
southern Britain. The temperatures are from 3-8 degrees warmer than
currently. The period lasts only a brief 500 years. By the year 1500, it has
vanished. The Earth experiences as much warming between the 11th and the
13th century as is now predicted by global-warming scientists for the next
century. The causes of this period of warming are unknown.

1430 to 1880: This is a period of the fast but uneven cooling of Northern
Hemisphere climates. Norwegian glaciers advance to their most distant
extension in post-glacial times. The northern forests disappear, to be
replaced with tundra. Severe winters characterize a lot of Europe and North
America. The channels and rivers get colder, the snows get heavy, and the
summers cool and short. The temperatures on the surface of the world are
about 0.5-1.5 degrees cooler than present. In the United States, 1816 is
known as the "year with no summer". Snow falls in New England in June. The
widespread failure of crops and deaths due to hypothermia are common. The
causes of this period of cooling are unknown.

1880 to 1940: A period of warming. The mountain glaciers recede and the ice
in the Arctic Ocean begins to melt again. The causes of this period of
warming are unknown.

1940 to 1977: Cooling period. The temperatures are cooler than currently.
Mountain glaciers recede, and some begin to advance. The tabloids inform us
of widespread catastrophes due to the "New Glaciation". The causes of this
period of cooling are unknown. 1977 to present: Warming period. The summer
of 2003 is said to be the warmest one since the Middle Ages. The tabloids
notify us of widespread catastrophes due to "global warming". The causes of
warming are discovered - humanity and its carbon-dioxide-generating
fossil-fuel use and deforestation.

Anyone else find something fishy about the final sentence? Comments

The above chronology of recent (geologically speaking) climate changes
should place global-warming catastrophists (such as those who developed the
Kyoto treaty) in an awkward position. Their fundamental assumption is that
Earth's climate was stable and was doing just fine before the Industrial
Revolution started interfering with climate's "natural" state. It is the
Industrial Revolution, and in particular the use of fossil-fuel-burning
machines, that has led us to the brink of environmental catastrophe due to
global warming caused by increasing amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the
atmosphere.

But it is plain to see that both warming and cooling occurred numerous times
before the Industrial Revolution. Similarly, all the dire predictions of
global-warming consequences - sea-level rise, for example - have happened in
the past. In fact, the greatest warming period was when dinosaurs walked the
land (about 70 million to 130 million years ago). There was then five to 10
times as much CO2 in the atmosphere as there is today, and the average
temperature was 4-11 degrees Celsius warmer. Those conditions should have
been very helpful to life, since they permitted those immense creatures to
find an abundance of food and they survived.

The Cretaceous was an intense "greenhouse world" with high surface
temperatures. These high temperatures were due to the much higher level of
CO2 in the atmosphere at the time - four to 10 times as much as is in our
air today. The biota was a mixture of the exotic and familiar - luxuriant
green forests of now-extinct trees flourished within the Arctic Circle and
dinosaurs roamed. The global sea level was at its highest ever during this
period, peaking during the Late Cretaceous around 86 million years ago. It
is certain that the global sea level was well over 200 meters higher during
this time than it is today. The Earth was immensely hotter, the CO2 vastly
more plentiful, and the sea levels much higher than they are today.

The Earth has also been immensely colder, the CO2 much less plentiful, and
the sea levels much lower than today. Fifteen thousand years ago, the sea
level was at least 90 meters lower than it is today. The land looked bare
because it was too cold for beech and oak trees to grow. There were a few
fir trees here and there. No grass grew, however, just shrubs, bushes and
moss grass. In the northern parts of North America, Europe and Asia there
was still tundra. The animals were different from today too. Back then there
were woolly mammoth, woolly rhinos, cave bears (the former three now
extinct), bison, wolves, horses, and herds of reindeer like modern-day
reindeer.

The major "sin" for the global warmists is CO2. The Kyoto treaty is meant to
reduce the amount of this gas so as, they say, to reduce the degree of
warming and eventually return us to some stable climate system. If we look
at the historical situation, however, this is cause for alarm. For one
thing, there has never been a stable climate system. For another, the level
of CO2 in our atmosphere is near its historic low. In the long run, the
greatest danger is too little rather than too much CO2. There has been a
long-term reduction of CO2 throughout the 4.5-billion-year history of the
Earth. If this tendency continues, eventually our planet may become as
lifeless as Mars. Glaciation has prevailed for 90% of the last several
million years. Extreme cold. Biting cold. Cold too intense for bikinis and
swimming trunks. No matter what scary scenarios global-warming enthusiasts
dream up, they pale in comparison with the conditions another ice age would
deliver. Look to our past climate. Fifteen thousand years ago, an ice sheet
a kilometer and a half thick covered all of North America north of a line
stretching from somewhere around Seattle to Cleveland and New York City.

Instead of reducing CO2, we should, perhaps, be increasing it. We should pay
the smokestack industries hard dollars for every kilogram of soot they pump
into the atmosphere. Instead of urging Chinese to stop using coal and turn
instead to nuclear-generated electricity, we should beg them to continue
using coal. Rather than bringing us to the edge of global-warming
catastrophe, anthropogenic climate change may have spared us descent into
what would be the most serious and far-reaching challenge facing humankind
in the 21st century - dealing with a rapidly deteriorating climate that
wants to plunge us into an ice age. Let's hope Antarctica and Greenland
melt. Let's hope the sea levels rise. All life glorifies warmth. Only death
prefers the icy fingers of endless winter.

What do you think?

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-- The Iron Webmaster, 3376

Matt Giwer wrote:
The Global Warming Scam

Category: News & Opinion (General) Topic: Science & Technology
Source: atimes.com
Published: February 25, 2005 Author: By Derek Kelly, PhD

Feb 25, 2005

SPEAKING FREELY

The Global Warming Scam

By Derek Kelly, PhD

Speaking Freely is an Asia Times Online feature that allows guest
writers to
have their say. Please click here if you are interested in contributing.

Scam, noun: a swindle, a fraudulent arrangement.

A chronology of climate change

During most of the last billion years the Earth did not have permanent ice
sheets. Nevertheless, at times large areas of the globe were covered with
vast sheets of ice. Such times are known as glaciations. In the past 2
million to 3 million years, the temperature of the Earth has changed
(warmed
or cooled) at least 17 times, some say 33, with glaciations that last about
100,000 years interrupted by warm periods that last about 10,000 years.

The last glaciation began 70,000 years ago and ended about 10,000 years
ago.
The Earth was a lot colder than it is now; snow and ice had accumulated
on a
lot of the land, glaciers existed on large areas and the sea levels were
lower.

15,000 years ago: The last glaciation reaches a peak, with continental
glaciers that cover a lot of the sub-polar and polar areas of the land
areas
of Earth. In North America, all of New England and all of the Great Lakes
area, most of Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota and the North Dakotas, lie under ice
sheets hundreds of meters thick. More than 37 million cubic kilometers of
ice was tied up in these global sheets of ice. The average temperature on
the surface of the Earth is estimated to have been cooler by
approximately 6
degrees Celsius than currently. The sea level was more than 90 meters lower
than currently.

15,000 years ago to 6,000 years ago: Global warming begins. The sheets of
ice melt, and sea levels rise. Some heat source causes approximately 37
million cubic kilometers of ice to melt in approximately 9,000 years.
Around
9,500 years ago, the last of the Northern European sheets of ice leave
Scandinavia. Around 7,500 years ago, the last of the American sheets of ice
leave Canada. This warming is neither stable nor the same everywhere. There
are periods when mountain glaciers advance, and periods when they withdraw.
These climatic changes vary extensively from place to place, with some
areas
affected while others are not. The tendency of warming is global and
obvious, but very uneven. The causes of this period of warming are unknown.

8,000 years ago to 4,000 years ago: About 6,000 years ago, temperatures on
the surface of Earth are about 3 degrees warmer than currently. The Arctic
Ocean is ice-free, and mountain glaciers have disappeared from the
mountains
of Norway and the Alps in Europe, and from the Rocky Mountains of the
United
States and Canada. The ocean of the world is some three meters higher than
currently. A lot of the present desert of the Sahara has a more humid,
savannah-like climate, with giraffes and savannah fauna species.

4,000 years ago to AD 900: Global cooling begins. The Arctic Ocean freezes
over, mountain glaciers form once more in the Rocky Mountains, in Norway
and
in the Alps. The Black Sea freezes over several times, and ice forms on the
Nile in Egypt. Northern Europe gets a lot wetter, and the marshes develop
again in previously dry areas. The sea level drops to approximately its
present level. The temperatures on the surface of the Earth are about 0.5-1
degree cooler than at present. The causes of this period of cooling are
unknown.

AD 1000 to 1500: This period has quick, but uneven, warming of the climate
of the Northern Hemisphere. The North Atlantic becomes ice-free and Norse
exploration as far as North America takes place. The Norse colonies in
Greenland even export crop surpluses to Scandinavia. Wine grapes grow in
southern Britain. The temperatures are from 3-8 degrees warmer than
currently. The period lasts only a brief 500 years. By the year 1500, it
has
vanished. The Earth experiences as much warming between the 11th and the
13th century as is now predicted by global-warming scientists for the next
century. The causes of this period of warming are unknown.

1430 to 1880: This is a period of the fast but uneven cooling of Northern
Hemisphere climates. Norwegian glaciers advance to their most distant
extension in post-glacial times. The northern forests disappear, to be
replaced with tundra. Severe winters characterize a lot of Europe and North
America. The channels and rivers get colder, the snows get heavy, and the
summers cool and short. The temperatures on the surface of the world are
about 0.5-1.5 degrees cooler than present. In the United States, 1816 is
known as the "year with no summer". Snow falls in New England in June. The
widespread failure of crops and deaths due to hypothermia are common. The
causes of this period of cooling are unknown.

1880 to 1940: A period of warming. The mountain glaciers recede and the ice
in the Arctic Ocean begins to melt again. The causes of this period of
warming are unknown.

1940 to 1977: Cooling period. The temperatures are cooler than currently.
Mountain glaciers recede, and some begin to advance. The tabloids inform us
of widespread catastrophes due to the "New Glaciation". The causes of this
period of cooling are unknown. 1977 to present: Warming period. The summer
of 2003 is said to be the warmest one since the Middle Ages. The tabloids
notify us of widespread catastrophes due to "global warming". The causes of
warming are discovered - humanity and its carbon-dioxide-generating
fossil-fuel use and deforestation.

Anyone else find something fishy about the final sentence? Comments

The above chronology of recent (geologically speaking) climate changes
should place global-warming catastrophists (such as those who developed the
Kyoto treaty) in an awkward position. Their fundamental assumption is that
Earth's climate was stable and was doing just fine before the Industrial
Revolution started interfering with climate's "natural" state. It is the
Industrial Revolution, and in particular the use of fossil-fuel-burning
machines, that has led us to the brink of environmental catastrophe due to
global warming caused by increasing amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the
atmosphere.

But it is plain to see that both warming and cooling occurred numerous
times
before the Industrial Revolution. Similarly, all the dire predictions of
global-warming consequences - sea-level rise, for example - have
happened in
the past. In fact, the greatest warming period was when dinosaurs walked
the
land (about 70 million to 130 million years ago). There was then five to 10
times as much CO2 in the atmosphere as there is today, and the average
temperature was 4-11 degrees Celsius warmer. Those conditions should have
been very helpful to life, since they permitted those immense creatures to
find an abundance of food and they survived.

The Cretaceous was an intense "greenhouse world" with high surface
temperatures. These high temperatures were due to the much higher level of
CO2 in the atmosphere at the time - four to 10 times as much as is in our
air today. The biota was a mixture of the exotic and familiar - luxuriant
green forests of now-extinct trees flourished within the Arctic Circle and
dinosaurs roamed. The global sea level was at its highest ever during this
period, peaking during the Late Cretaceous around 86 million years ago. It
is certain that the global sea level was well over 200 meters higher during
this time than it is today. The Earth was immensely hotter, the CO2 vastly
more plentiful, and the sea levels much higher than they are today.

The Earth has also been immensely colder, the CO2 much less plentiful, and
the sea levels much lower than today. Fifteen thousand years ago, the sea
level was at least 90 meters lower than it is today. The land looked bare
because it was too cold for beech and oak trees to grow. There were a few
fir trees here and there. No grass grew, however, just shrubs, bushes and
moss grass. In the northern parts of North America, Europe and Asia there
was still tundra. The animals were different from today too. Back then
there
were woolly mammoth, woolly rhinos, cave bears (the former three now
extinct), bison, wolves, horses, and herds of reindeer like modern-day
reindeer.

The major "sin" for the global warmists is CO2. The Kyoto treaty is
meant to
reduce the amount of this gas so as, they say, to reduce the degree of
warming and eventually return us to some stable climate system. If we look
at the historical situation, however, this is cause for alarm. For one
thing, there has never been a stable climate system. For another, the level
of CO2 in our atmosphere is near its historic low. In the long run, the
greatest danger is too little rather than too much CO2. There has been a
long-term reduction of CO2 throughout the 4.5-billion-year history of the
Earth. If this tendency continues, eventually our planet may become as
lifeless as Mars. Glaciation has prevailed for 90% of the last several
million years. Extreme cold. Biting cold. Cold too intense for bikinis and
swimming trunks. No matter what scary scenarios global-warming enthusiasts
dream up, they pale in comparison with the conditions another ice age would
deliver. Look to our past climate. Fifteen thousand years ago, an ice sheet
a kilometer and a half thick covered all of North America north of a line
stretching from somewhere around Seattle to Cleveland and New York City.

Instead of reducing CO2, we should, perhaps, be increasing it. We should
pay
the smokestack industries hard dollars for every kilogram of soot they pump
into the atmosphere. Instead of urging Chinese to stop using coal and turn
instead to nuclear-generated electricity, we should beg them to continue
using coal. Rather than bringing us to the edge of global-warming
catastrophe, anthropogenic climate change may have spared us descent into
what would be the most serious and far-reaching challenge facing humankind
in the 21st century - dealing with a rapidly deteriorating climate that
wants to plunge us into an ice age. Let's hope Antarctica and Greenland
melt. Let's hope the sea levels rise. All life glorifies warmth. Only death
prefers the icy fingers of endless winter.

What do you think?


Interesting Matt.

Where does one find references for all those dates and numbers? It would
be good to show some referebces at least.

What I think? Well, I think of Venus. Too much C02 is not a good thing
either. There needs to be a balance, but exactly how to achieve that is
probably far beyond our abilities right now. The thing is that we as
humans, being a relatively new global entity occupying the Earth in
large numbers, don't want to contribute to the problem and further
compound or complicate matters. But we will! It can't be helped so long
as we live and breathe and take over more and more area of the Earth ...
The Earth clearly is going into a warming period, we need to be
careful and watch that we as humans occupying so much of the Earth and
drawing so much of her resources don't throw a monkey wrench into the
works and cause some runaway effects. We definitely need to worry about
these things, study them, and monitor them ... and take action if things
seem to be getting out of hand ...
Al

Alfred A. Aburto Jr. wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:

The Global Warming Scam

Category: News & Opinion (General) Topic: Science & Technology
Source: atimes.com
Published: February 25, 2005 Author: By Derek Kelly, PhD
[...]

What do you think?


Interesting Matt.

Where does one find references for all those dates and numbers? It would
be good to show some referebces at least.

What I think? Well, I think of Venus. Too much C02 is not a good thing
either. There needs to be a balance, but exactly how to achieve that is
probably far beyond our abilities right now. The thing is that we as
humans, being a relatively new global entity occupying the Earth in
large numbers, don't want to contribute to the problem and further
compound or complicate matters. But we will! It can't be helped so long
as we live and breathe and take over more and more area of the Earth ...
The Earth clearly is going into a warming period, we need to be careful
and watch that we as humans occupying so much of the Earth and drawing
so much of her resources don't throw a monkey wrench into the works and
cause some runaway effects. We definitely need to worry about these
things, study them, and monitor them ... and take action if things seem
to be getting out of hand ...


A pet theory of mine is that those oscillations are forced or at least
enhanced by the positive feedback from methane hydrates deposits being
liberated.

We already have a reputable published scientific quote that we now
suffer a 50:50 chance that the Gulf Stream will shut down. As it
deflects when it shuts down, it may warm areas of ocean where 1000's of
years of methane deposits have accumulated. These hydrates then get
quickly released which then promotes local warming and so more release
and you get a vicious positive feedback.

A regulating factor may be that methane hydrates release could be slowed
as the ocean levels rise from glacial melt.

As life and the world readjusts to the cataclysmic changes, conditions
return to repeat the cycle a few thousands of years later.


What is very significant now for this cycle is that whatever the exact
mechanisms are behind the cyclic global temperatures, Man's activities
are greatly shortening the present cycle. The forcing factors required
to do this suggest that the increasingly steep warming trends seen
already are going to get particularly vicious.

Millions have already been starved to death in Africa due to forced
weather change. An entire species of Arctic birds have already been
obliterated by Global Warming. There is a lot more to come, and very soon.

As further research is done, the timescales are always brought closer.
Puruvian glaciers will cease to exist in less than 10 years. The Arctic
and Antarctic are measurably receding. A big question is how certain
glaciers in Greenland will collapse. A number are already rushing to the
sea at vastly increased rates from just the last 5 years.


Our Man-made forced Global Warming is happening far faster than at a
natural 'glacial' rate. Get ready to move home and watch millions more
starve.


Good luck,
Martin

s.a.seti

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Alfred A. Aburto Jr. wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:

The Global Warming Scam

Category: News & Opinion (General) Topic: Science & Technology
Source: atimes.com
Published: February 25, 2005 Author: By Derek Kelly, PhD

Feb 25, 2005

SPEAKING FREELY

The Global Warming Scam

By Derek Kelly, PhD

Speaking Freely is an Asia Times Online feature that allows guest
writers to
have their say. Please click here if you are interested in contributing.

Scam, noun: a swindle, a fraudulent arrangement.

A chronology of climate change

During most of the last billion years the Earth did not have permanent
ice
sheets. Nevertheless, at times large areas of the globe were covered with
vast sheets of ice. Such times are known as glaciations. In the past 2
million to 3 million years, the temperature of the Earth has changed
(warmed
or cooled) at least 17 times, some say 33, with glaciations that last
about
100,000 years interrupted by warm periods that last about 10,000 years.

....

Instead of reducing CO2, we should, perhaps, be increasing it. We
should pay
the smokestack industries hard dollars for every kilogram of soot they
pump
into the atmosphere. Instead of urging Chinese to stop using coal and
turn
instead to nuclear-generated electricity, we should beg them to continue
using coal. Rather than bringing us to the edge of global-warming
catastrophe, anthropogenic climate change may have spared us descent into
what would be the most serious and far-reaching challenge facing
humankind
in the 21st century - dealing with a rapidly deteriorating climate that
wants to plunge us into an ice age. Let's hope Antarctica and Greenland
melt. Let's hope the sea levels rise. All life glorifies warmth. Only
death
prefers the icy fingers of endless winter.

What do you think?

Interesting Matt.

Where does one find references for all those dates and numbers? It would
be good to show some referebces at least.

I agree it would be good to have the references all in one place. But I can say I have read of
everything he is talking about. The recent stuff is actual measurements. The older times are some
times geological but quite often from actual descriptions of the weather in diaries or inferred from
writings such as mention of the vinyards of Roman England. The oldest are geological. I do not know
exactly how he can attach degrees to them. I would use simple growing season charts, and look at
what can and cannot be grown. For example find the furthest north there can be a vinyard and assign
that temperature to wherever vinyards were in Britain.

Not great but I have yet to read of anyone attempting to correct for the 1900- thermometer out
back of the telegraph office to the 1930+ thermometer at the airfield. Nor does this author, he
takes the data from that time frame without question.

What I think? Well, I think of Venus. Too much C02 is not a good thing
either. There needs to be a balance, but exactly how to achieve that is
probably far beyond our abilities right now. The thing is that we as
humans, being a relatively new global entity occupying the Earth in
large numbers, don't want to contribute to the problem and further
compound or complicate matters. But we will! It can't be helped so long
as we live and breathe and take over more and more area of the Earth ...
The Earth clearly is going into a warming period, we need to be careful
and watch that we as humans occupying so much of the Earth and drawing
so much of her resources don't throw a monkey wrench into the works and
cause some runaway effects. We definitely need to worry about these
things, study them, and monitor them ... and take action if things seem
to be getting out of hand ...

Whatever we might do we are equally in a position to fix it. Or even better adapt to it and make a
profit off of it. That is why I bought the palm tree franchise for DC back in the 70s.

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holocaust was no worse than evacuating a few settlements.
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Martin 53N 1W wrote:

Millions have already been starved to death in Africa due to forced
weather change. An entire species of Arctic birds have already been
obliterated by Global Warming. There is a lot more to come, and very soon.

Desertification of Africa, the spread of the Sahara. Look into it now and you will find it is over.
All the while the melters were screaming about it they failed to mention the Sahara grows and
contracts along with the 24 year hurricane cycle.

There are some other food problems in Africa but all are associated with some sort of violent
conflict.

As further research is done, the timescales are always brought closer.
Puruvian glaciers will cease to exist in less than 10 years. The Arctic
and Antarctic are measurably receding. A big question is how certain
glaciers in Greenland will collapse. A number are already rushing to the
sea at vastly increased rates from just the last 5 years.

But will British wine be a contribution to the viniculture or just another table wine? Will adding
Canada to the regions which can grow consecutive crops in a single season cause the grain market to
collapse?

The problem in feeding the world is not a shortage of food. The problem in every case is
distribution once delivered to the country. Problems are both infrastructure as in roads, trucks,
unloading equipment at the docks and corruption.

Our Man-made forced Global Warming is happening far faster than at a
natural 'glacial' rate. Get ready to move home and watch millions more
starve.

Or they will eat Canadian bread and British wine.

--
Thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars
to install an islamic government in Iraq. That is
something only a Texan could do.
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