NASA's biggest worry right now: What if something goes wrong with the Webb telescope?

Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:55:19 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Chris L Peterson wrote in
m:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:29:06 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Not at all. If you regularly drive more than 300 miles, it
simply means that the current generation of EVs isn't
appropriate for your needs.

And no proposed EV will be, any time soon.

We'll see.

To those who aren't morons, we already have. The laws of physics
aren't changing.

But it doesn't matter. Your driving habits place you
in a small minority of the driving market.

Only a small minority *ever* take long road trips?

I didn't say that.

Yeah, you pretty much did.

I note that you do not address a single one of the real obstacles
I've mentioned. As I predicted.

You will *never* do so, because you *know* I am right.

You can rent a different kind of car. You can
own two different kinds of cars.

If you're willing to turn all poor people out into the street to
starve to death, sure. There are tens of millions of people in the
US who *can't* own two different kinds of cars, and would have no
place to keep the secone one if they did.

You will *never* address that, because you *know* I am right.

You can be part of a shared car
pool (that's going to be increasingly popular given the waste
associated with exclusive car ownership).

No, not you *can* be, rather, you *must* be. Which means you need
to work and live within walking distance of other people in the
pool. Which, again, puts millions of people out of work.

Your brilliant plan seems to have a few flaws. You're one of them.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Monday, 19 February 2018 18:46:53 UTC-5, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
Chris L Peterson wrote in
:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:55:19 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Chris L Peterson wrote in
m:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:29:06 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Not at all. If you regularly drive more than 300 miles, it
simply means that the current generation of EVs isn't
appropriate for your needs.

And no proposed EV will be, any time soon.

We'll see.

To those who aren't morons, we already have. The laws of physics
aren't changing.

But it doesn't matter. Your driving habits place you
in a small minority of the driving market.

Only a small minority *ever* take long road trips?

I didn't say that.

Yeah, you pretty much did.

I note that you do not address a single one of the real obstacles
I've mentioned. As I predicted.

You will *never* do so, because you *know* I am right.

You can rent a different kind of car. You can
own two different kinds of cars.

If you're willing to turn all poor people out into the street to
starve to death, sure. There are tens of millions of people in the
US who *can't* own two different kinds of cars, and would have no
place to keep the secone one if they did.

You will *never* address that, because you *know* I am right.

You can be part of a shared car
pool (that's going to be increasingly popular given the waste
associated with exclusive car ownership).

No, not you *can* be, rather, you *must* be. Which means you need
to work and live within walking distance of other people in the
pool. Which, again, puts millions of people out of work.

Your brilliant plan seems to have a few flaws. You're one of them.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Most of this is pointless, except from a REAL pollution point of view (not C02 production) because global warming either does not exist, or not due to man, or its effects are being ridiculously misinterpreted. Take storm damage:

Continental United States (CONUS) hurricane-related inflation-adjusted
damage has increased significantly since 1900. However, since 1900
neither observed CONUS landfalling hurricane frequency nor intensity
show significant trends, including the devastating 2017 season.
Two large-scale climate modes that have been noted in prior research to
significantly impact CONUS landfalling hurricane activity are El
Niño-Southern Oscillation on interannual timescales and the Atlantic
Multi-decadal Oscillation on multi-decadal timescales. La Niña seasons
tend to be characterized by more CONUS hurricane landfalls than do El
Niño seasons, and positive Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation phases
tend to have more CONUS hurricane landfalls than do negative phases.

Growth in coastal population and regional wealth are the overwhelming
drivers of observed increases in hurricane-related damage. As the
population and wealth of the US has increased in coastal locations, it
has invariably led to the growth in exposure and vulnerability of
coastal property along the US Gulf and East Coasts. Unfortunately, the
risks associated with more people and vulnerable exposure came to
fruition in Texas and Florida during the 2017 season following the
landfalls of hurricanes Harvey and Irma. Total economic damage from
those two storms exceeded $125 billion. Growth in coastal population and
exposure is likely to continue in the future, and when hurricane
landfalls do occur, this will likely lead to greater damage costs than
previously seen. Such a statement is made recognizing that the vast
scope of damage from hurricanes often highlight the effectiveness (or
lack thereof) of building codes, flood maps, infrastructure, and
insurance in at-risk communities.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf...MS-D-17-0184.1

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 11:47:48 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:33:07 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:

Charge times (and charging at all) are an obstacle with no practical
solution, even theoretically.

You've said some silly things over time, but this may be the silliest.

What's so silly about people not being able to charge their cars overnight...

because the plug near where their car is parked is only a normal plug, for a block heater,

not the kind of plug used for the oven in the kitchen.

John Savard

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 4:43:04 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
Chris L Peterson wrote in
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The world is going to move on
in pretty much the way I've described, and a few old buggy whip
champions aren't going to change anything.

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, son. You're gonna need it.

It's true that the United States didn't go metric, it's true that
they didn't scrap the dollar bill for the Susan B. Anthony dollar.

In most of the world, though, the government does do what it thinks
it needs to in the name of "progress" even if the people are kicking
and screaming. Switching to electric cars could be another case like
that.

John Savard

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 11:50:34 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

Not at all. If you regularly drive more than 300 miles, it simply
means that the current generation of EVs isn't appropriate for your
needs. For you there remains conventional gasoline engines, or hybrids
systems. And it is quite certain that long range EV solutions will be
developed over the next few years.

Nothing that doesn't already exist is certain. I mean, we still don't
have a cure for AIDS.

And, of course, even if they develop much improved batteries with much
greater capacity, the amount of current needed to charge them with the
power needed for a long journey won't change.

Of course, a new generation of electric cars based on fuel cells could
get carbon-free chemical fuel - like hydrogen. That would work.

John Savard

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 4:46:53 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

If you're willing to turn all poor people out into the street to
starve to death, sure.

Poor people don't usually have a summer cottage in the country to
drive to on weekends. So they won't need a second car.

In fact, they will probably take the *bus* to go to work. This is not
some radical new concept. Yes, public transit in many U.S. cities is
not very good. Since cities in other countries have decent public
transit, though, clearly no law of physics has to be violated to
provide it.

John Savard

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:

Most of this is pointless, except from a REAL pollution point of
view (not C02 production) because global warming either does not
exist, or not due to man, or its effects are being ridiculously
misinterpreted.

What are you smoking?

John Savard

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:07:00 -0700, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
Almost every home has 220V service with 30-50A fusing. Of course,
not
for every outlet, so it's true that a new outlet might need to be
installed in the garage.

I thought the US had 110V in their outlets. Did thar change? Did you
switch to 50Hz as well?

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:33:07 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:
Charge times (and charging at all) are an obstacle with no
practical
solution, even theoretically.

Perhaps there are theoretical solutions, even practically? :-)

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:02:50 -0700, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
I don't need to. I can observe that there has never been a market
driven technology that didn't rapidly produce any needed
infrastructure.

But of course. If you fail to provide, or get access to, the needed
infrastructure you obvioudly cannot enter the market. History is full
of startups which failed because of that. Remember boo.com? They
tried online shopping before the Internet could provide the needed
bandwidth on a large enough scale...