...'08 Beijing Olympics/Spielberg vs. '36 Hitler Olympics/Leni Riefenstahl

On Jan 5, 8:08*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Dragon" wrote in ...

On Jan 4, 2:28 am, "Jonathan" wrote:



Legitimacy only flows from the people.

This Olympics essentially legitimizes dictatorships in the
eyes of the international community.

That is absolutely unacceptable.

Who are you to dictate what the Chinese people should or should not
have?

It's an inalienable right. But maybe the Chinese people should be
asked what form of government they choose.

Oh, that's right, it's against the law to ask them.

I wonder why?

Shove your "democracy" and "legitimacy" up your arse, and leave us
alone - we want no part of it!

You don't understand America or a free market democracy.
Like a healthy forest, they relentlessly fill every niche.
In fact their specialty is moving into damaged or
weak systems.

America will never stop until every govt rules by the
/consent/ of the governed. Anything short of that is
by definition a criminal government.

s

You don't even know what you are talking about. One of the important
pre-requisites to the implementation of democracy the American style
is the culture of people in which people learn to make their own
decisions. Without this pre-requisite, you will end up with nothing
but chaos.

America never stops supporting dictators too if what the dictators do
is in the national interests of the US.

On Jan 2, 11:41*pm, "Scott Hedrick" wrote:
"CharlesLiu" wrote in message

...

Look, China ain't the one invading other countries on false pretext.

I'm sure the Tibetans would agree with you.

China ain't the one who sent Bhuto back to Pakistan (GW Bush and Condi
Rice are responsible for that mess.)

Because Bhutto was a child who could not make decisions for herself, eh?

Why don't you go back to looking for space rock and leave SCC alone?

Because the People's Non-Republic of China continues to abuse its citizen's
rights in ways that makes the Bush Administration look like rank amateurs.

I wonder if a comparison is valid. The citizens' rights in a nation
are very much tied in with the development of social infrastructure at
a particular point. That said, China still needs to speed up the
liberalization of her political atmosphere. But to suggest that China
has scored so much economically for the past 30 years without a good
degree of political development is unsound.



Most folks here ain't even Chinese, given the fact it is an English
language group.

Most folks in the world aren't Chinese.

On Jan 3, 5:28*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
wrote in message news:4fe746f4-f1d0-404a-ba8c-
What makes you think China is that unfree and that unconnected with
the rest of the world, and that people are so uninformed, at this
time?
It is fair to say that as long as you don't give the police trouble,
you are quite free to do what you
want to do here in China. *

Legitimacy only flows from the people.

Does the people know what is right and what is wrong, Jonathan?
Aren't you putting trust in the people that has no interest in the
government, and George Bush dictates and the U.S. Congress cheers him
on with "Might makes right. We have the might. We have the right".
Isn't this what make dictatorship?


This Olympics essentially legitimizes dictatorships in the
eyes of the international community.

We certainly legitimize dictatorship in the form of George Bush with
American Congress AND the American people's consent.


That is absolutely unacceptable.

Yes, say so in the U.S.


It's one thing to be pragmatic and accept a benign
dictatorship while transitioning to democracy.
But to say dictatorships are legitimate?

These Olympics become political the minute
Beijing was awarded the games. We need
to make sure the winner of these games
is...freedom.

NOT repression.

Jonathan, you're nothing but a CIA mouthpiece with brainwashed mind of
American propaganda.


s

s

On Jan 3, 3:06*pm, "Scott Hedrick" wrote:
"Dragon" wrote in message

...

Shove your "democracy" and "legitimacy" up your arse, and leave us
alone - we want no part of it!

And as long as that's the case Taiwan will remain separate.

Yeah, I can see the separation. Almost all of Taiwan's manufacturing
is in Mainland China today, and Taiwanese families are moving back to
Mainland China to live. Taiwan has become more and more "irrelevant"
as LT Lee said.

On Jan 4, 4:08*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Dragon" wrote in ...

On Jan 4, 2:28 am, "Jonathan" wrote:



Legitimacy only flows from the people.

This Olympics essentially legitimizes dictatorships in the
eyes of the international community.

That is absolutely unacceptable.

Who are you to dictate what the Chinese people should or should not
have?

It's an inalienable right. But maybe the Chinese people should be
asked what form of government they choose.

With China's uneducated rural people and many city dwellers, the CIA
can create chaos and dissension easily with a few million dollars and
buy whatever candidate they want in office. China will not use the
election to select officials. The "proven record" concept is what
China need as they have now.


Oh, that's right, it's against the law to ask them.

I wonder why?

Because people like you and the CIA, and the American government want
China to fail miserably because they are not following America's
footsteps. America is no haven for happiness. Many officials are
just as corrupt and bad as in China. Many commit suicides in this
country. Many criminals and killings on the streets of America. Is
this a model for democracy? Maybe there is a better system.



Shove your "democracy" and "legitimacy" up your arse, and leave us
alone - we want no part of it!

You don't understand America or a free market democracy.
Like a healthy forest, they relentlessly fill every niche.
In fact their specialty is moving into damaged or
weak systems.

Maybe you are just too brainwashed with American propaganda to see the
light.


America will never stop until every govt rules by the
/consent/ of the governed. Anything short of that is
by definition a criminal government.

Many countries are studying China's model as a form of government. Of
course, America's job is to make sure they will not succeed.


s

that's it, buddy! tell these chinks who's boss round here. either they
do it our way, or no way at all!


On Jan 4, 7:08*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Dragon" wrote in ...

On Jan 4, 2:28 am, "Jonathan" wrote:

Legitimacy only flows from the people.

This Olympics essentially legitimizes dictatorships in the
eyes of the international community.

That is absolutely unacceptable.

Who are you to dictate what the Chinese people should or should not
have?

It's an inalienable right. But maybe the Chinese people should be
asked what form of government they choose.

Oh, that's right, it's against the law to ask them.

I wonder why?

Shove your "democracy" and "legitimacy" up your arse, and leave us
alone - we want no part of it!

You don't understand America or a free market democracy.
Like a healthy forest, they relentlessly fill every niche.
In fact their specialty is moving into damaged or
weak systems.

America will never stop until every govt rules by the
/consent/ of the governed. Anything short of that is
by definition a criminal government.

s

On Jan 4, 7:28*am, rst0wxyz wrote:
On Jan 4, 4:08*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:





"Dragon" wrote in ...

On Jan 4, 2:28 am, "Jonathan" wrote:

Legitimacy only flows from the people.

This Olympics essentially legitimizes dictatorships in the
eyes of the international community.

That is absolutely unacceptable.

Who are you to dictate what the Chinese people should or should not
have?

It's an inalienable right. But maybe the Chinese people should be
asked what form of government they choose.

With China's uneducated rural people and many city dwellers, the CIA
can create chaos and dissension easily with a few million dollars and
buy whatever candidate they want in office. *China will not use the
election to select officials. *The "proven record" concept is what
China need as they have now.



Oh, that's right, it's against the law to ask them.

I wonder why?

Because people like you and the CIA, and the American government want
China to fail miserably because they are not following America's
footsteps. *America is no haven for happiness. *Many officials are
just as corrupt and bad as in China. *Many commit suicides in this
country. *Many criminals and killings on the streets of America. *Is
this a model for democracy? *Maybe there is a better system.



Shove your "democracy" and "legitimacy" up your arse, and leave us
alone - we want no part of it!

You don't understand America or a free market democracy.
Like a healthy forest, they relentlessly fill every niche.
In fact their specialty is moving into damaged or
weak systems.

Maybe you are just too brainwashed with American propaganda to see the
light.



America will never stop until every govt rules by the
/consent/ of the governed. Anything short of that is
by definition a criminal government.

Many countries are studying China's model as a form of government.

What are some of these "many countries"?

*Of
course, America's job is to make sure they will not succeed.





s- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Jan 4, 12:29*pm, Ira IRa IRA Humperdink MD
wrote:
that's it, buddy! tell these chinks who's boss round here. either they
do it our way, or no way at all!

Jonathan doesn't know what to do or think himself. The puppet master
is on vacation.


On Jan 4, 7:08*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

"Dragon" wrote in message ...
On Jan 4, 2:28 am, "Jonathan" wrote:

Legitimacy only flows from the people.

This Olympics essentially legitimizes dictatorships in the
eyes of the international community.

That is absolutely unacceptable.



Who are you to dictate what the Chinese people should or should not
have?


It's an inalienable right. But maybe the Chinese people should be
asked what form of government they choose.

Oh, that's right, it's against the law to ask them.

I wonder why?



Shove your "democracy" and "legitimacy" up your arse, and leave us
alone - we want no part of it!


You don't understand America or a free market democracy.
Like a healthy forest, they relentlessly fill every niche.
In fact their specialty is moving into damaged or
weak systems.

America will never stop until every govt rules by the
/consent/ of the governed. Anything short of that is
by definition a criminal government.


s

On Jan 1, 11:44*am, wrote:
On Jan 2, 1:47*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

A grand party, a champagne event, where over a
billion people are herded, sheep-like, passed banners
reading "One World One Dream" and into a stadium
with no exits. Just work until they die.

There is only room for One Dream in this big world? Let me guess, it
is the Communists' one dream?

-----

A special day: CCTV-5 changes name to The Olympic Channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwHhRcRDAN0

The video shows how open China is today. To the officials, the speaker
seems more of an annoyance then somebody spoiling the entire event.
Good job for not dragging her off violently. That was probably what
she wanted to attract attention. FLG also tried to disrupt the Beijing
ROSE parade but failed. The Beijing parade even won the Theme award.
THe reason why FLG fail is that they themselves are so biase to the
extreme. They do not even try to be balance. It is all hatred. Its all
about loyalty to just one guy (Forever). Its about them being
brainwash. So it is indeed a cult.