..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself

"Brian Thorn" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:57:46 -0500, "Jonathan"
wrote:


Sorry, but this project is Lockheeds show, it's their baby.
And Lockheed IS the military industrial complex.
Why are such simple facts and reasoning beyond you?

Just friendly advice, Jonathan:
Take a break. You've gone completely bonkers.

Come back in a week or two when your sanity has returned.


Do I appear angry/insane enough to do more than just
rant about these issues?



Brian

"robert casey" wrote in message
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The Moon's a lousy place to park your nuke bomb missiles. It's a lot
quicker, cheaper and more convenient to use submarines as nuke launching
platforms. Submarines are easily hidden, and they rarely break radio
silence, and they can be ordered (the subs receive only) to sail to the
enemy's coastal areas and take out a few cities or mil targets. You can
buy a lot of submarines for the cost of a few Moon missions.




From Space Command Stategic Statememt for '07


"Americans have come to rely on the unhindered use of
space-they will demand no less in the future. To protect
the space domain and deliver effects, Air Force Space Command
is pursuing investments in an array of capabilities. The United
States is committed to supporting the peaceful use of space
by all; however, prudence demands we ensure our Nation, Allies
and coalition partners have unobstructed access to space
capabilities."

"We know we will be challenged in the future-both by those who wish
to do us harm and by our own resource limitations. It no longer takes a
sophisticated adversary to impact space and ground systems..."

"We have a duty to secure the entire space domain.not just for
our own military.but for our Nation and for the benefit of the
free world. To do this, we must focus our efforts on two
objectives - improved space situational awareness and
enhanced command and control. First, we must achieve true
space situational awareness.the ability to not only track
and catalog any object, but also to determine its capabilities,
purpose and intent. Only when we've obtained a clear picture
of the entire space environment will we fully realize our
second objective - enhanced command and control over
space assets.
http://www.afspc.af.mil/shared/media...070412-128.pdf

"Frank Glover" wrote in message
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Yes. A case might be made for some kinds of backup communications
relays (in the event that most other near-Earth milsatcoms are taken
out)there,at the Moon is a not-easily destroyed platform. But only if
you already had the infrastructure for other reasons. It's not
justifiable by itself.


And since the Chinese asat test showed just about anything
in orbit is vulnerable, how does that change the equation?
If we're denied orbital assets, where else could we place
such intelligence gathering capabilities? It's obvious
the moon is not only a much more secure than orbit
but it defines the 'high ground' too.

The military has been talking about moon bases since
the fifties, now we have a real live reason to build them.
The Chinese.



And I admit, even that's a stretch. In a major war, all anyone on
the Moon (or ISS) could really do, is 'enjoy' the view (a lot of
terrestrial boroadcasts can also be monitored from there without much
trouble), and hope there's something worth returning to, when it's all
over...


From Space Command Stategic Statememt for '07.

They make it clear that observing and tracking is job
number one in winning this space race, and they make
it clear the Chinese asat test is the source of this
priority.


"Americans have come to rely on the unhindered use of
space-they will demand no less in the future. To protect
the space domain and deliver effects, Air Force Space Command
is pursuing investments in an array of capabilities."

"We know we will be challenged in the future-both by those who wish
to do us harm and by our own resource limitations. It no longer takes a
sophisticated adversary to impact space and ground systems..."

"We have a duty to secure the entire space domain.not just for
our own military.but for our Nation and for the benefit of the
free world. To do this, we must focus our efforts on two
objectives - improved space situational awareness and
enhanced command and control. First, we must achieve true
space situational awareness.the ability to not only track
and catalog any object, but also to determine its capabilities,
purpose and intent. Only when we've obtained a clear picture
of the entire space environment will we fully realize our
second objective - enhanced command and control over
space assets.
http://www.afspc.af.mil/shared/media...070412-128.pdf









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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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Maybe you could give us a rational explanation of the so-called
connection between returning to the moon and missile defense?


Remember, this is the guy who thinks that if you wait around long
enough, rocks will come alive all on their own.

Ya know I can hear you!

And NASA is spending another $800 million to see if those
rocks are alive, maybe you should point your sarcasm at them
for wasting so much taxpayer money on a hunt you say is
so pathetically idiotic and kookish. I just happen to think the
rovers have shown us enough to justify a closer look, the best
planetary geologists and astrobiologists in the world agree.

But maybe all the experts are all a bunch of kooks, and you
alone are correct. Maybe, but I wouldn't bet anything on it.


If they don't have some sort of giant popular uprising during the
Beijing Olympics, his whole world view is going to fall apart.

And if it does happen? But maybe you're correct again, and
I should stop embarrassing myself by trying to do something
that may or may not make a difference. Maybe no one should
try to do anything more than post a few light-hearted jokes
and light weight opinions.

But then again, maybe I'll keep on trying until I figure out
how to make a difference. No matter what anyone thinks
about it.

If you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out.


Jonathan

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Pat

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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Joe Strout wrote:

It's a bit sad to see, because you weren't always like this. Brad Guth,
as far as I've been aware of him, has always been a nutball. But you
were a reasonable newbie a couple years ago, with a simple passion for
space solar power, which in itself is not unreasonable. But now you've
gone off the deep end, alas.


When he first arrived he stated that he did drugs,

I'm smoking some pot right now, so what?

and that he intended
to post things he really didn't really belive in to see how people
reacted to them.

I said I do that sometimes. So what?


In short, he looks upon himself as the researcher

Student, asshole.

and the people in the
newsgroups he posts to as something like mice
running around in his maze.


Or...seeing what I can learn from others.
Yourself excepted, however. Your habit
of googling up details on some hardware
and them pretending you knew all those
details all along is rather obvious.

You should point out where you got the info
and when, else people might think you're
sadly trying to impress us with your google-sized
knowledge of rocket science.

If you can't take it, you shouldn't start dishing
it out


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Pat

"OM" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:26:42 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

When he first arrived he stated that he did drugs, and that he intended
to post things he really didn't really belive in to see how people
reacted to them.

...I remember that as well. IIRC, we also tracked him down through IP
address lookups to somewhere in Puget Sound,
and one of our regulars
actually concluded that he was living in a flop above an old gas
station. Between the drugs and the octane fumes, it's no wonder
Guthball went nuts.

In short, he looks upon himself as the researcher and the people in the
newsgroups he posts to as something like mice running around in his maze.

...Oh, bull****. He's just making that up in a lame-assed attempt to
claim he's the only sane one here.

Bottom Line: The true test of sanity is whether or not you've sent
Brad Guth, Jonathan, and Elfritz to Killfile Hell, where they can
sodomize each other for eternity with Eric Chumpko and his wife, Fred
McCall. If you haven't killfiled these trolling *******s, then you're
just as insane as they are.



Or as childish.


Seriously.


You're a pathetic little man, afraid to directly confront
anyone. Your plonks are merely running away
from anything you disagree with. Is that what
you do in real life, run away from problems and
from the truth about yourself? I bet you don't
even look at yourself squarely in the mirror.

It's called cowardice, it's what children, woman and
faggots do, run away and pretend you didn't hear.
It's no different than throwing someone the finger
out the car window, then speeding away
before he kicks your sorry ass.

Faggot.

I know, you can pretend you didn't read this, but
everyone else will. And they'll see that when someone
calls you out, calls you a bitchy little girl, you
.....run away.

If you can't take it, you shouldn't start dishing it out.

And I returned the cross posting, so a thousand people
will see me bitch-slap you.



Jonathan

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