for all mankind, another crappy mooee from 1989

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097372/

this is for the ******s in america who like to think they achieved
something by depleting so many human resources into such an arsewank of
a project consisting in going off to the moon a la wallace n grommit
but without the charm only to find that the place is such a sad-ass
wank of a place you could never believe. loads of loads of the same
homogenous extremely boring place the ''adventurous astronauts'' find
themselves with, while one of the sad ******s exclaims ''it is in man's
nature to explore'' as he jumps from one nothingy part of the moon to
the next. how pathetic and sad. a treausre for american to, erm,
treasure. congratulations.

this is the opposite of riding the giants that surf mooee i saw, this
is the anti-sensual experience par-excellence. it does indeed quote
that stupid ****** kennedy pleasing it's country's right wing wishes of
nihilism with his great speech, which goes something like this:

'' it is true and truer than it be, that in this decade, i promise that
we shall head off into a certain vacuum and in that vacuum we shall
wank, for as the great soothsayer did say, in vacuums one doth not need
no vacuum cleaners if one requires wanking getting done''.


for the technofile moronic crowd that as adolescents are fans of star
trek, in college maths geeks and in old age hope to wank their life
away in some space probe in a life-long experimental attempt at getting
their dicks perpetually horizontal.

wrote:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097372/

this is for the ******s in america who like to think they achieved
something by depleting so many human resources into such an arsewank of
a project consisting in going off to the moon a la wallace n grommit
but without the charm only to find that the place is such a sad-ass
wank of a place you could never believe. loads of loads of the same
homogenous extremely boring place the ''adventurous astronauts'' find
themselves with, while one of the sad ******s exclaims ''it is in man's
nature to explore'' as he jumps from one nothingy part of the moon to
the next. how pathetic and sad. a treausre for american to, erm,
treasure. congratulations.

this is the opposite of riding the giants that surf mooee i saw, this
is the anti-sensual experience par-excellence. it does indeed quote
that stupid ****** kennedy pleasing it's country's right wing wishes of
nihilism with his great speech, which goes something like this:

'' it is true and truer than it be, that in this decade, i promise that
we shall head off into a certain vacuum and in that vacuum we shall
wank, for as the great soothsayer did say, in vacuums one doth not need
no vacuum cleaners if one requires wanking getting done''.


for the technofile moronic crowd that as adolescents are fans of star
trek, in college maths geeks and in old age hope to wank their life
away in some space probe in a life-long experimental attempt at getting
their dicks perpetually horizontal.

Bravely posted via hotmail under a pseudonym.

wrote:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097372/

this is for the ******s in america who like to think they achieved
something by depleting so many human resources into such an arsewank of
a project consisting in going off to the moon a la wallace n grommit
but without the charm only to find that the place is such a sad-ass
wank of a place you could never believe.



Either this is Brad Guth, or someone's been playing around with The
Gilbert Amateur Cloning Set again. :-)

Pat

"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Bravely posted via hotmail under a pseudonym.

And you're dumbass enough to quote the entire post.

He's just upset at realizing how little he's contributed to the world
considering the resources wasted on him.

Scott Hedrick ha escrito:

"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Bravely posted via hotmail under a pseudonym.

And you're dumbass enough to quote the entire post.

He's just upset at realizing how little he's contributed to the world
considering the resources wasted on him.



you space geeks are such a waste of energy. still, the movie is worth
it for exposing what a stupid expedition it was. magnificient moments
of utter nothingness and nihilism up there at the moon with a couple of
******s hopping about for a few minutes. how pathetic. and all just to
beat the soviets at the stupid childish cold war game. what fast-food
culture for retards.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:22:44 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:



wrote:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097372/

this is for the ******s in america who like to think they achieved
something by depleting so many human resources into such an arsewank of
a project consisting in going off to the moon a la wallace n grommit
but without the charm only to find that the place is such a sad-ass
wank of a place you could never believe.



Either this is Brad Guth, or someone's been playing around with The
Gilbert Amateur Cloning Set again. :-)

No, it's quite a different style than Brad, actually. Brad knows
where the shift key is, and occasionally punctuates.

wrote:
Scott Hedrick ha escrito:

"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Bravely posted via hotmail under a pseudonym.
And you're dumbass enough to quote the entire post.

He's just upset at realizing how little he's contributed to the world
considering the resources wasted on him.



you space geeks are such a waste of energy. still, the movie is worth
it for exposing what a stupid expedition it was. magnificient moments
of utter nothingness and nihilism up there at the moon with a couple of
******s hopping about for a few minutes. how pathetic. and all just to
beat the soviets at the stupid childish cold war game. what fast-food
culture for retards.


Well, if the expenditure of resources shortens your live by even one
minute it was all worth it.

wrote:
you space geeks are such a waste of energy.

Oh, please, save your energy then and don't waste it on us!

Austin

wrote:


you space geeks are such a waste of energy. still, the movie is worth
it for exposing what a stupid expedition it was. magnificient moments
of utter nothingness and nihilism up there at the moon with a couple of
******s hopping about for a few minutes. how pathetic. and all just to
beat the soviets at the stupid childish cold war game. what fast-food
culture for retards.


Okay, so what's YOUR idea of a good time?

--

Frank

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- Grace Slick

The United States completed the first lunar expedition after being set
on this course by John F. Kennedy in response to a missile gap that the
American public percieved following the Soviet launch of Sputnik in
1957 and America's failed attempts to launch Vanguard as part of the
IGY.

A month after Kennedy was shot, in December 1963, Lyndon Johnson and
Robert McNamara sat in the Oval Office and slashed the visionary far
reaching programs initiated by the slain President, such as nuclear
propulsion and a real Mars expedition by 1975, and lunar bases by 1970,
and reduced Kennedy's 'exploring the vast new ocean of space' to 'Man
on the Moon.' Subsequent Presidents reduced this to 'Man in Space'

At the same time the Russians, who had kicked America's ass up to that
point started having significant difficulties following the internal
disruption of the most capable technical teams and the arrest of key
scientists.

Further, the focus of the American media shifted from hard science and
serious reporting of space developments in major news outlet to
fictional outlets which reduced the topic to the sorts of fluff you
accept as the defining role of space travel. That is a whole host of
shallow science fiction such as Lost in Space and Star Trek became the
standard bearer of space travel during this period shaping the opinions
of millions toward the space agency, and defining space travel just as
Maxwell Smart and Jim Phelps became the standard bearers of spying
following the downing of Gary Powers and his U2 Spy Plane paraded
through Gorky Park shaing the opinion of millions toward the recently
disclosed CIA and defining the role of the agency is the most positive
of terms for most Americans.

In short, taken as a whole, it could be argued that someone in America
took Eisenhower's concerns of the 1950s seriously that overspending in
the 'desert' of space could detract from America's more serious
commitments while publicizing highly classified strategic weapons
technology. So, they decided that despite the intense interest and
support of the American public in space travel as outlined by Kennedy
in the 1960 election,, that American dollars wouldn't be taken from
more serious geopolitical concerns like Vietnam, and wasted on space.
This is why Eisenhower refused to let the Academy of Science provide
strategic direction for the new agency, and put the Vice President in
charge of it instead.

Your comments are reflective of the sort of attitude 50 years of social
engineering has produced, and when widespread enough will result in the
end of civilian space programs altogether and the end of even man in
space.

So, you will be gratified to find your opinions being acted upon, and
money being saved, but you will not have missed the huge benefits space
travel could provide humanity because your epistimology has been shaped
by 50 years of infowar on this subject. So, it is difficult to get
your mind around what is being lost. To you and most everyone else it
will have been a failed experiment similar to the failure of the
dirigible as a viable passenger or cargo air carrier. A technology
that never worked. And those who envision a return of space travel
will be viewed as those sorts of people who enthusiastically await the
return of the airship.

But things could have been quite different, had we approached things a
little differently and more honestly, without recourse to secret
operations.

Fact is, as the cost of momentum delivered to a payload falls the
abilty to do things in the solar system grows. And since the Earth's
surface holds a fixed place relative to other places in the solar
system in terms of momentum, we can predict the development of space
travel on this basis. The cost of momentum is to space travel what the
cost per feature is to integrated circuits. And lowering this
fundamental cost allows exponential expansion of space travel
technology. Unfortunately, lowering costs and making rocket and
nuclear technologies generally available flies in the face of missile
proliferation and nuclear proliferation goals - and so, has not
occurred in the present age.

Since space travel transcends the Earth, the development of space
travel technology affects everyone on the Earth equally. It becomes a
unifying technical element that joins other unifying elements in what
some call the Omega point - or ultimate union of human culture on
Earth.

1950s - Technology - single stage/2 stage liquid fueled rocket
STEP 1: High momentum cost = small suborbital payloads
Practical Consequence: Intercontinental Ballistic Missile
Tactical Result: All Earth a Battlefield
Political Fallout: End of world wars and call for world peace
Social Effect: A movement toward a world without warfare.

1960s - Technology - 3 stage/ 4 stage liquid fueled rocket
STEP 2: Slightly lower momentum cost = small orbiting payloads
Practical Consequence: Infosat= weather, spy, communication,
navigation
Tactical Result: Global Commerce/Internet
Political Fallout: Global business opportunities,
Social Effect: A movement toward a single global business structure

1970s - Technology - Large 3 stage / 4 stage liquid fueled rocket
STEP 3: Lower momentum cost = moderate lunar payloads
Practical Consequence: Man in Space/Man on the Moon
Tactical Result: Photo of Earth floating in Space
Political Fallout: Environmental Movement
Social Effect: A movement toward a single global civil legal code

At this point, all progress ended, and the various assets developed
over this period have been appropriated by intelligence and military
operations in the United States, while non US assets have undergone
systematic decimation and new developments have either been attacked
politically or had very bad luck in carrying out their programs while
being systematically ignored by the mainstream press.

Clearly had adequate funding been forthcoming and NASA and other
agencies operated unimpeded with adequate strategic direction, building
on earlier developments, and eventually joining forces - the latter
quarter of the 20th century would have been quite different.

1980s - Technology - Very large 3 stage / 4 stage fully reusable liquid
fueled rockets
STEP 4: Much lower momentum cost = heavy lunar payloads/moderate
interplanetary
Practical Consequence: Global wireless internet/powernet & Space
colonies
Tactical Result: Integrated global political and economic systems,
world as one place
Political Fallout: One world movement
Social Effect: The emergence of a unified global religion based on
insights of space travellers

NOTE: Edgar Mitchell speaks of his religious conversion on his return
from the moon, and founded the Noetic Institute to further this
religious insight. This has been dismissed by mainstream media, but
such insights would likely grow as the number of people and their range
of activities across the solar system grew.

1990s - Technology - Nuclear Pulse - Nuclear Thermal - Nuclear Electric
- rockets
STEP 5: Dramatically lower momentum costs = space commerce
Practical Consequence: Space industry
Tactical Result: The conversion of Earth to a residential park
Political Fallout: Global prosperity on an unprecedented scale,
reduction of environmental pollution to zero.
Social Effect: The emergence of a Utopian Age

2000s - Technology - Laser Sustained Detonation powered by solar
powersats
STEP 6: Space Access
Practical Consequence: Movement of humanity off-world in large numbers
Tactical Result: The conversion of Earth to an environmentally
protected reserve
Political Fallout: Preservation of Earth's biosphere for stuy,
expansion of humanity across the solar system
Social Effect: The golden age of interplanetary travel.

2010s - Technology Nantotechnology/Laser Light Sail
STEP 7: Early interstellar
Practical Consequence: Expansion of off-world movement beyond the
planets
Tactical Result: Protection of nature 'as-is' as the demands of
industrial humanity take an ever diminishing bite out of an exponetialy
growing resource, while population growth rates decline due to higher
incomes
Political Fallout: Development of individually responsible 'emergent
systems' appropriate to a far flung diverse population, and the decline
of centralized methods of control
Social Effect; The establishment of interstellar tribalism - recreating
the social melieu of early pre-industrial tribal cultures, but with the
ethical and moral underpinnings of modern culture.

At this point we enter a stable era of continuous growth across the
cosmos that will likely last thousands if not hundreds of thousands of
years.

2500s or later - Gravitivc Technologies (conjectural)
STEP 8: Late interstellar
Practical Consequence: Superluminal and temporal travel (conjectural)
Tactical Result: Rapid Expansion of humanity across the cosmos
Political Fallout: Human density drops to nearly zero - answering
'where are they?'
Social Effect: With automation, the rise of the individual to
unbelievable power from the viewpoint of a 20th century industrial
nation state.


So, in order to preserve US military resources to fight limited
conflicts that maintain US control over a small and diminishing
collection of natural resources - against the needs of an exponentially
growing population of have-nots - the US gave up this visionary path of
development and instead has controlled and constrained things until
ultimately we end up in the present day. The attacks the US and others
have suffered from disenfranchised terrorists, will continue, and
likely within the next decade include biological and nuclear weapons.
Each attack will empower the centralized control seeking safety, and
ultimately, the decline of oil output will constrain industry, and
there will be a decline in human numbers as increasing industrial costs
and lowered farm outputs and increasing disease decimate the humans
that are left.

Ultimately, if this path is unchecked, we will end up a small
post-technical species without the capacity to follow this path
outlined above. And in the end, we will not be a space faring species
and any thought that we might have been will be considered rankest
fantasy from an age of hubris.