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Old January 11th 21, 04:17 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On 11/01/2021 10:28 am, Andrew W wrote:
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On 10/01/2021 9:18 am, Andrew W wrote:
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On 8/01/2021 9:32 am, Andrew W wrote:
casag... wrote in message ...

Also keep in mind, something worth repeating. Intelligent space
faring species likely abound throughout the universe. If
interstellar travel were possible, then we'd be often visited by
aliens. We are clearly not so it isn't possible.


How do you know we haven't been visited? How do you know they're
not here now?



Because he's a logical thinker.


Logic is blind to fact and experience.



You need to look up the definition of 'logic'.


Logic only works if you can see and understand ALL the points of
progression and concepts.



Has to be based on reality though. 'Concepts' could be any kind of BS,
like interstellar travel.
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Old January 11th 21, 04:23 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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"Whisper" wrote in message
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On 11/01/2021 10:21 am, Andrew W wrote:
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On 10/01/2021 9:29 am, Andrew W wrote:
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How do you know we haven't been visited? How do you know they're
not
here now?



Because he's a logical thinker.


Obviously, if they were here, they'd be SOME evidence of this. There
isn't, so they're not.


There is plenty of evidence (recovered craft and tech) but it is all
kept in government and military facilities.




It would be impossible for something like this to be kept secret for so
long. There would be too many people involved & no way would they all
remain silent.


People haven't remained silent. But many have been silenced and also
ridiculed. Some scientists and reporters have been murdered.
Ridicule is the main cover. Billions of taxpayer money has been spent by
the corrupt arm of the CIA to create the mockingbird media. Look up
Operation Mockingbird.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Operation+...braveed&ia=web




And of course, there is absolutely no way either aliens or man could
ever traverse the vast mind bogling distances. Even at near light
speed, which will practically never happen in any case, travel times
would still be excessive.


That's only if ETs use primitive human technologies and concepts. Why
would they do that?


You need to explain how something like interstellar travel including
living creatures is possible. There is no 'technology' that could
facilitate this.


No technology that you know of. However if you convert matter into energy
and then shift it to a different point in space then it is possible.



Do you have to say 'abra cadabra' when 'shifting'?


No. That won't work, but you can try it if you combine it with a few spins
in certain directions to create a vortex portal. But you might end up with a
bit of a headache if there's a tree nearby.


So in the future we won't need legs, transport etc - we just shift to the
bathroom to do a ****, shift back to the couch to watch netflix?

Cool.


According to an ET called Bashar channelled by a human, in 1,000 years from
now we will no longer even need physical bodies. We will evolve past that.
Well many of us will, not all. So we won't need to do any of that.
Best of all we won't need to watch television. There'll be far better things
to do.
Incidentally Bashar has admitted more than once that WE are his television.
And his people laugh a lot. Not in a demeaning way.

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Old January 11th 21, 04:32 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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"Whisper" wrote in message
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On 11/01/2021 10:22 am, Andrew W wrote:
"Whisper" wrote in message
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On 10/01/2021 2:36 am, wrote:


How do you know we haven't been visited? How do you know they're not
here now?



Because he's a logical thinker.


Obviously, if they were here, they'd be SOME evidence of this. There
isn't, so they're not.

And of course, there is absolutely no way either aliens or man could
ever traverse the vast mind bogling distances. Even at near light
speed, which will practically never happen in any case, travel times
would still be excessive.

What part of Distance = Speed x Time don't you understand ? !




Absolutely spot on. Keep up the good work.


Work towards what exactly?



To keep this ng a respected astronomy group, not sci fi fantasy
discussions.


Actually there's a lot of real disclosure mixed into series/movies like Star
Trek, Stargate, The Matrix etc.

Current conventional science is stagnant, stilted and outdated. It's
government and corporate controlled. Most don't know that scientists etc.
lose their grants if they step out of line and reveal too much.
Astronauts had to sign confidentiality documents about what they saw.
Inventors have been bought out and their inventions stolen or buried.

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Old January 11th 21, 05:11 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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"Whisper" wrote in message
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On 11/01/2021 10:28 am, Andrew W wrote:
"Whisper" wrote in message
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On 10/01/2021 9:18 am, Andrew W wrote:
"Whisper" wrote in message
...

On 8/01/2021 9:32 am, Andrew W wrote:
casag... wrote in message ...

Also keep in mind, something worth repeating. Intelligent space
faring species likely abound throughout the universe. If
interstellar travel were possible, then we'd be often visited by
aliens. We are clearly not so it isn't possible.


How do you know we haven't been visited? How do you know they're not
here now?



Because he's a logical thinker.


Logic is blind to fact and experience.



You need to look up the definition of 'logic'.


Logic only works if you can see and understand ALL the points of
progression and concepts.



Has to be based on reality though.


What is reality? Reality is an agreed upon collection of concepts by a human
collective about life on one particular planet based on current
understandings. It has changed many times in our history. Certain figures
like Galileo, Einstein, Newton and others changed it.


'Concepts' could be any kind of BS, like interstellar travel.


Can. But many concepts can also be right as has happened in history. And
ordinary people can come up with intuitive truths. Einstein was only a
patent clerk.

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Old January 11th 21, 05:17 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Andrew W wrote:
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Andrew W wrote:

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It seems the govt has "known all along" that something was up and --
as someone famously said recently -- "downplay it at every
opportunity because I didnt want to cause a panic".
The secrecy was ostensibly -- as they allays say -- for "our own good".
If we the people found out there was a superious society hanging around
with advanced tech, advanced science, advanced economics, and advanced
a lot of other stuff, we'd just give up.
The same happened again and again as Europeans "conquered" the rest of
the world over the last 1000 years.
It's boot on other foot times.

Yep. But I don't entirely buy the govt's popular excuse that they don't want
to release UFO info because it would cause panic, because with all the
problems our govts cause - finance crashes, wars, the War of the Worlds
broadcast, etc. etc. etc., why would they care if the chattel panic? Panic
of the chattel is good for business. Do they care about us that much?


As youve touched on -- maybe the panic would be so widespread and
"of the wrong sort" that investments in certain things would become
stranded and the power structure would therefore be overturned.

When "the leaders" say they "have your best interests at heart"
then I'm sure we all smell the poop.

It seems fortunate that the data shows "whatever is going on"
seem to deliberately leave very light footprints.
Numbers I've run indicate they fly defensively, with different types
of objects keeping their distance from air bases as if they dont want
to run into military aircraft or get hit by G2A missiles.

And the good ETs don't want to affect our development. And I think it's more
they want us to make sovereign decisions about our future.


It's a possibility. It sure seems beside doing whatever else
they're up to they are looking at lots of stuff we are doing.
As I mentioned before their wandering around seems to have footprints
they seem interested in mostly certain types of countries and maybe are
mentally "giving the human race a grade out of 100".

Or it could be purely in their own interests of survival here-abouts.
The data suggests there might only be a small number (10k) of "objects"
flying around over the last ~100y and the associated population to
support them -- simplistically based on the way our own industry works --
suggests there may be a largish number of them around. Maybe mns
of individuals. If they have a home here they may be keeping tabs on
the wildlife and making sure their way of life will continue into the future.

Considering all the ideas that have been proposed (that I've heard of
I'm still coming down on a bunch of people of some kind -- maybe
some kind of lost human civilization; maybe someone from pre home sap
era that migrated down into the earth and later oceans.
Or maybe totally non-human. Maybe non-biological ("old machines that wend
feral").

It might be a bunch of pressure-loving jellyfish from a big planet or some
other local object, someone from further out in the commet belt, or maybe
maybe interstellar.

Of course it could be a mix of any of these things.

But it seems someone associated with UAP are using plankton. If they
are eating it then sounds like their biology is pretty close to Earth std.
Of course they may be using just for solar power gathering.

Hopefully I'll be around long enough to find out which. Or twiddle up
some s/w that can trace down all the many many causal chains and come
up with a list of "most likely" explanations and spit out a probability
for each.

Some poeple claim to be "excited" by the unknown. I'm mostly
excited when I find out something I thought was true is wrong and I
have learned something new.

There is 0 correleation between observed UFO activity and airline crashes
despite all the stories of objects blocking, diving on, or trailing
passenger planes.

That's right. We're perfectly adept at crashing aircraft.


I was a bit surprised all the reports of bright lights buzzing airliners
or suddenly appearing in the path of a plane causing it to
swerve to avoid a crash had no noticable effect in 50+ years
of data. But it might be like crossings where they remove the lights and
SUDDENLY everyone looks both ways before trying to cross.

There is 0 corr between UFO activity and US power outages despite
the stories of objects hovering over wires and power plants
and "sucking the power out of" car batteries and other devices.

Yes but there's much correlation with UFOs being near missile bases and
missiles malfunctioning.


I'm sure there are cases. But the overall data of 1000s of sightings
shows the density in e.g. states further away from
concentrations of AFB rise i.e. going toward AFB they fall.

If you take a US state X and look at how many sightings are in
states further and further away they roughly follow a pattern:
number of sightings in *other* state Y = A - B/r^a
where A and B are constants (A obviously is "close" to the number
of sightings in X). R is the distance between X and Y and "a"
is another number that tips off how "threatened" objects seem to
feel by being closer to X where there are N air bases.

Sightings dont not go to zero *at* an AFB but the pattern is clear.
Sightings of certain types of object show they calculate a kind of
threat that is inversely proportional to the distance from an AFB.
I.e. "a = 1". (Army bases they seem to care nothing about .
What is inversely proportional to the distance from an air base?
The flight time of an aircraft from that base.

Some object types seem to drop off with the inverse square of the distance
to air bases. (I.e. "a=2"). This suggests they are defensive about something
that covers the *area* between them and the air base -- like a regular patrol.

Some objects drop off as the square root of the distance to
air bases. (I.e. "a=0.5"). Something that involves the square root of the
distance is the transit time of a constantly accelerating object
over that distance. E.g. a missle that accelerates all the way to the target.

"Cones" seem to be scattered around like they dont care about
anything. (I.e. "a=0"). Among the choices are they dont exist and are all
mistaken reports, or they are only threatened by something that has
a rouhgly constant transit time from an AFB -- like a radar pulse
or a line-of-sight, or they are maybe so heavily protected they feel
invulnerable to missiles and jets.

One of the few things I can see in the data is a strong
(not chance) corr between UFO sightings and mass fish deaths.

I hadn't heard that. That might be radiation. I think maybe only secret
military craft spew radiation.


My mental model was they just bump into them.
I found it surprising there was statistically "0 correaltion"
between UFO sightings and mass bird deaths but a highly sig corr
with mass fish deaths (also turtles and dolphin but not whales .

Whipping around the atm at several km per sec doesnt seem to bother
the birds.

But maybe diving into lakes and ocean and tooling around at 250 kt
(a number mentioned in some Russian sub reports about Atlantic USO's)
seems to scramble the odd kipper. Whales are apparently smart or fast enough
to gits outta da way.

As for radiation -- it seems "they dont like it". Sightings tend
to drop off when neutron counters around earth register some big event.
Mostly neutrons come from the upper atm as very high energy
cosmic ray particles smack into air molecules. But they obv do come from
other sources. I had suspected at some point maybe neutrons were
being generated by Our Friends From Frolix 8. But I have no
good data to show that.


And there's a strong corr bwteen the coming and going of phytoplankton
(not zooplankton) and UFO sightings. A prelim finding suggests
there may be "missing" phytoplankton a couple times a year
that corresponds with numbers of UFO sightings.
(The so-called "gavity satellites" allow us to weight various areas
of the oceans and calculate the mass of the phytoplankton bloom and
track tiny ripples in it that correlate strongly with sighting data).
If you cain trust a vegitarian, who *can* you trust.
Another little wrinkle an AI came up with last week was
finding patterns in fish deaths country by country.
Assuming more anomalous mass deaths == more local UFO activity
it ranked countries from least to most affected, then asked itself
what properties of those countries "best explained" the pattern.

Again I hadn't heard that.
Amazingly the #1 property was the amount of renewable power
countries use. The more renewables the more anomalous fish deaths.

Hmm. Could that be the shadow govt. wiping out some of a country's food
source because the country is turning away from using the cabal's oil etc.
based energies?
The rest of the list suggests UFOs are damn greenies wanting to
promote public health, mass vaccination and zero population and
economic growth.

I don't know about that. I do know many good ET groups want us to use better
technologies to save the planet and make life better for everyone.


UFO groups must be alien fronts and part of the conspiracy!

Sure. Circular economics only makes sense. We're well past the point of
"obviously we cant go on throwing away plastic cups for *another* 100 years".

You can now kinda see why "the authorities" might just be a little
nervous not to let anyone find out such details.
But too bad, all the data is public.

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Old January 11th 21, 05:36 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Whisper wrote:
On 11/01/2021 10:28 am, Andrew W wrote:
"Whisper" wrote in message
...

On 10/01/2021 9:18 am, Andrew W wrote:
"Whisper" wrote in message
...

On 8/01/2021 9:32 am, Andrew W wrote:
casag... wrote in message ...

Also keep in mind, something worth repeating. Intelligent space
faring species likely abound throughout the universe. If
interstellar travel were possible, then we'd be often visited by
aliens. We are clearly not so it isn't possible.


How do you know we haven't been visited? How do you know they're
not here now?



Because he's a logical thinker.


Logic is blind to fact and experience.



You need to look up the definition of 'logic'.


Logic only works if you can see and understand ALL the points of
progression and concepts.



Has to be based on reality though. 'Concepts' could be any kind of BS,
like interstellar travel.


And for hillbillies "there is no FTL" could be based on relatively
that actually allows wormholes and time travel and FTL.

--
[On trying to prove over the past 8 weeks that a change of +.001K
at the sun explains +1C of GW at earth:]

[Y]ou can't solve a linear equation or do arithmetic.

What linear equation? Oh! The one with the fourth power
of the intended variable. Linear indeed!
-- Will "math genius" Janoschka, 25 Apr 2012 12:06:01 -0500

[Only a 3 yo would see that x = (a/b)^(1/4)(Ts+.001)-Te (linear)
or find in 10s that x = .001 Te/Ts i.e. about 50e-6 K].

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Old January 11th 21, 06:15 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On 11.01.21 5:11, Andrew W wrote:

Has to be based on reality though.


What is reality? Reality is an agreed upon collection of concepts by a human
collective about life on one particular planet based on current
understandings. It has changed many times in our history. Certain figures
like Galileo, Einstein, Newton and others changed it.


None of them changed reality.
They explained part of reality, letting people see some things
more clearly and accurately.
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Old January 11th 21, 06:31 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Sjouke Burry wrote:
On 11.01.21 5:11, Andrew W wrote:

Has to be based on reality though.


What is reality? Reality is an agreed upon collection of concepts by a human
collective about life on one particular planet based on current
understandings. It has changed many times in our history. Certain figures
like Galileo, Einstein, Newton and others changed it.


None of them changed reality.
They explained part of reality, letting people see some things
more clearly and accurately.



According to some popular theories reality can't be changed.
Relativity for example views "spacetime" as a multidimensional object
that is frozen. It doesnt change. When you look at a graph showing
the position over time of a marble in a u-shaped track does the graph
change? No. Spacetime is like that, suggests relativity.
If that is true then the memories you think you have of what happened
yesterday are total illusion. There is no "you" in +1 sec or -1 sec.
Oh well. Maybe there's something wrong with the theory.
Scientists admit they only predicted the existence of 3% of what
now seems to form the universe.
It's not good manners to based any claims on only vaguely understanding
3% of the dataset.

--
This, then, is the new illiteracy, the illiteracy of those who can read but
don't. [...] This new illiteracy is more pernicious than the old, because
unlike the old illiteracy it does not debar its victims from power and
influence, although like the old illiteracy it disqualifies them for it.
Those long-dead men and women who learned to read so that they might read
the Bible and John Bunyan would tell us that pride is the greatest of all
sins, the father of sin. And the victims of the new illiteracy are proud of
it. If you don't believe me, talk to them and see with what pride they
trumpet their utter ignorance of any book you care to name.
-- Gene Wolfe, "From a house on the Borderland", Horrorstruck (1987);
reprinted in Gene Wolfe, Castle of Days (1992).

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Old January 11th 21, 06:45 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On 11/01/2021 3:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
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Has to be based on reality though.


What is reality? Reality is an agreed upon collection of concepts by a
human collective about life on one particular planet based on current
understandings. It has changed many times in our history. Certain
figures like Galileo, Einstein, Newton and others changed it.


'Concepts' could be any kind of BS, like interstellar travel.


Can. But many concepts can also be right as has happened in history. And
ordinary people can come up with intuitive truths. Einstein was only a
patent clerk.



So a 'patent clerk' is about the limit of human intelligence. We're not
likely to advanced much beyond him, & still end of the day there are
things that are actually impossible.

Until we can offer up a reasonable way humans may travel to another star
system it remains impossible.

I personally have no problem accepting the vast distances between stars
and knowing we can never travel there.
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Old January 11th 21, 06:48 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Whisper wrote:
On 11/01/2021 3:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
"Whisper" wrote in message
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Has to be based on reality though.

What is reality? Reality is an agreed upon collection of concepts by a
human collective about life on one particular planet based on current
understandings. It has changed many times in our history. Certain
figures like Galileo, Einstein, Newton and others changed it.
'Concepts' could be any kind of BS, like interstellar travel.

Can. But many concepts can also be right as has happened in history. And
ordinary people can come up with intuitive truths. Einstein was only a
patent clerk.

So a 'patent clerk' is about the limit of human intelligence. We're not
likely to advanced much beyond him, & still end of the day there are
things that are actually impossible.
Until we can offer up a reasonable way humans may travel to another star
system it remains impossible.
I personally have no problem accepting the vast distances between stars
and knowing we can never travel there.


Of course not. It's so much less worrying.

--
"Dont worry... it will go away by April!".
"Dont worry... vaccines will save us!".
"Dont worry... our quarantine system works 100%!".
"Dont worry... our tracing system works 100%!".
"Dont worry... it was only 1 or 2 or 3 people that slipped through the net!".
 




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