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Old August 27th 14, 08:25 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
Yousuf Khan[_2_]
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A physics experiment might soon tell us if we're living in a 2D hologram
| The Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/26/60...living-in-a-2d

Now, the experiment they are describing sounds remarkably like the
gravitational wave experiments that they've been doing for years
already, without any luck. And which in turn, sounds remarkably like the
Michaelson-Morley experiment of the 19th century which was used to
disprove the existence of the Luminoferous Aether.

So how exactly are they expecting to find waves here, that the
gravitational wave experiments that have been running for several years
has not been able to find? Some of these gravity wave experiments are
several miles long too!

Yousuf Khan
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Old August 27th 14, 09:14 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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On a sunny day (Wed, 27 Aug 2014 03:25:28 -0400) it happened Yousuf Khan
wrote in :

A physics experiment might soon tell us if we're living in a 2D hologram
| The Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/26/60...living-in-a-2d

Now, the experiment they are describing sounds remarkably like the
gravitational wave experiments that they've been doing for years
already, without any luck. And which in turn, sounds remarkably like the
Michaelson-Morley experiment of the 19th century which was used to
disprove the existence of the Luminoferous Aether.

So how exactly are they expecting to find waves here, that the
gravitational wave experiments that have been running for several years
has not been able to find? Some of these gravity wave experiments are
several miles long too!


Better:
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/pr...-20140826.html
I remember IIRC in Germany some unexpected noise was discovered,
that made one theoretical physicist propose the holographic universe,
or put his theory in the spotlight that predicted such noise.
I have no idea at this point, RF noise is almost omnipresent, and
can have many causes.
Laser beams are by themselves not really that stable.
But it gives them something to do.
:-)
That the universe is made of waves is nothing new (as theory),
but still waves need to wave in something.
So this will drag on very long I think.
2D?? I think not.
Guy spend too much time watching a monitor.
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Old August 27th 14, 03:07 PM posted to sci.astro
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On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:14:58 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 27 Aug 2014 03:25:28 -0400) it happened Yousuf Khan

wrote in :



A physics experiment might soon tell us if we're living in a 2D hologram


| The Verge


http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/26/60...living-in-a-2d




Now, the experiment they are describing sounds remarkably like the


gravitational wave experiments that they've been doing for years


already, without any luck. And which in turn, sounds remarkably like the


Michaelson-Morley experiment of the 19th century which was used to


disprove the existence of the Luminoferous Aether.




So how exactly are they expecting to find waves here, that the


gravitational wave experiments that have been running for several years


has not been able to find? Some of these gravity wave experiments are


several miles long too!




Better:

http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/pr...-20140826.html

I remember IIRC in Germany some unexpected noise was discovered,

that made one theoretical physicist propose the holographic universe,

or put his theory in the spotlight that predicted such noise.

I have no idea at this point, RF noise is almost omnipresent, and

can have many causes.

Laser beams are by themselves not really that stable.

But it gives them something to do.

:-)

That the universe is made of waves is nothing new (as theory),

but still waves need to wave in something.

So this will drag on very long I think.

2D?? I think not.

Guy spend too much time watching a monitor.


Indeed, or merely exclude the photon, and what do we have left?

How can a photon that supposedly has zero mass be so important?
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Old August 27th 14, 03:37 PM posted to sci.astro
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On a sunny day (Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:07:21 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Brad Guth
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2D?? I think not.

Guy spend too much time watching a monitor.


Indeed, or merely exclude the photon, and what do we have left?

How can a photon that supposedly has zero mass be so important?


Photon is just a mathematical construct.
It is the energy needed to knock an electron around in our matter world.
On the border of the EM wave and matter as we know it (electrons atoms) so to speak.
Like the wave frequency to bring a ball connected to a pole in the water in resonance so it snaps the rope and escapes.
It says nothing about the water molecules, or what water is made of.
It does say something about wave patterns and directions,.
So light (or EM waves) does NOT travel as photons, is near continuous made of its own substance.
And hence current physics or physisicks err again and again and again and again.
Give it a few thousand years...

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Old August 27th 14, 05:31 PM posted to sci.astro
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Dear Yousuf Khan:

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:25:28 AM UTC-7, Yousuf Khan wrote:
....
Now, the experiment they are describing sounds
remarkably like the gravitational wave
experiments that they've been doing for years
already, without any luck.


Yes, but there is a pair, so "macroscopic" causes should be excluded (or more excludable).

And which in turn, sounds remarkably like the
Michaelson-Morley experiment of the 19th century
which was used to disprove the existence of the
Luminoferous Aether.

So how exactly are they expecting to find waves
here, that the gravitational wave experiments
that have been running for several years has not
been able to find?


Looking for very high frequencies. Faster than molecules can spin, from the sound of it.

Some of these gravity wave experiments are
several miles long too!


They are looking for lower frequency effects, propagating at c, hence the size.

They have the equipment. They have the staff and budget. No one has looked under this particular "streetlight" yet, in this way. They are going to sweep over their range, and see if they find anything interesting.

Finding nothing, is a good thing to search for too. Even if it is boring. Because NOT to look, is not Science.

David A. Smith
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Old August 27th 14, 07:32 PM posted to sci.astro
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On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:37:49 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:07:21 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Brad Guth

wrote in

:



2D?? I think not.




Guy spend too much time watching a monitor.




Indeed, or merely exclude the photon, and what do we have left?




How can a photon that supposedly has zero mass be so important?




Photon is just a mathematical construct.
It is the energy needed to knock an electron around in our matter world.

On the border of the EM wave and matter as we know it (electrons atoms) so to speak.

Like the wave frequency to bring a ball connected to a pole in the water in resonance so it snaps the rope and escapes.

It says nothing about the water molecules, or what water is made of.

It does say something about wave patterns and directions.

So light (or EM waves) does NOT travel as photons, is near continuous made of its own substance.

And hence current physics or physisicks err again and again and again and again.

Give it a few thousand years...


In deed, so how does this massless energy manage to tell atoms what to do?

If the photon is truly massless and of only a 2D non-volume that can manage to align atoms at any distance, and otherwise entangle itself over vast distances at way FTL(WFTL), then what's stopping it from moving/propagating at WFTL?

Perhaps the original singular photon as a magical phantom wavy-particle doesn't actually have to even move.
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Old August 27th 14, 07:51 PM posted to sci.astro
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On a sunny day (Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Brad Guth
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In deed, so how does this massless energy manage to tell atoms what to do?

If the photon is truly massless and of only a 2D non-volume that can manage to align atoms at any distance, and otherwise
entangle itself over vast distances at way FTL(WFTL), then what's stopping it from moving/propagating at WFTL?

Perhaps the original singular photon as a magical phantom wavy-particle doesn't actually have to even move.


Photon is defined as h.v (h.omega), where h is Planck's constant, and v its frequency.

Thats is all there is to it, it is the product of 2 numbers.
It is NOT a particle.

If the wind blows in a way (repetition rate) so something blows of your table,
and we say the wind came in waves with frequency f and the thing blown of your table was one of many little pieces of paper,
we have f x paper_piece = windton.
That paper piece is a particle, but f x paper_piece is no particle.
Neither is it the wind, and neither has it anything to do with the air molecules the wind is made of.
But you can give that energy a direction and what not, vector, victor eehh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
But it is still only a mathematical construct.

The WAVE however has its frequency, polarization, amplitude,
and waves in something we have not yet detected it seems (ether?) virtual particles popping in and out of existence?,
chicken soup? what have you.
Give it some time till all the Einstein parrots are long gone,
not holding my breath though.

I do not understand people make such a fuss about something so simple.



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Old August 28th 14, 01:24 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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On 27/08/2014 4:14 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
That the universe is made of waves is nothing new (as theory),
but still waves need to wave in something.
So this will drag on very long I think.
2D?? I think not.
Guy spend too much time watching a monitor.


It might be a 2D universe if we accept the idea of a black hole
universe, in which we are living inside a black hole from another
(parent) universe. And we'd also have to accept that if everything just
sits on the event horizon of the blackhole, and nothing falls in beyond
it because time has truly stopped below the event horizon.

I can accept that we're inside a black hole, but I can't accept that
everything just sits on the event horizon, forever and ever. I think a
different form of time takes hold when below the event horizon.

Yousuf Khan
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Old August 28th 14, 01:43 AM posted to sci.astro
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On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:51:30 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Brad Guth

wrote in

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In deed, so how does this massless energy manage to tell atoms what to do?




If the photon is truly massless and of only a 2D non-volume that can manage to align atoms at any distance, and otherwise


entangle itself over vast distances at way FTL(WFTL), then what's stopping it from moving/propagating at WFTL?




Perhaps the original singular photon as a magical phantom wavy-particle doesn't actually have to even move.




Photon is defined as h.v (h.omega), where h is Planck's constant, and v its frequency.



Thats is all there is to it, it is the product of 2 numbers.

It is NOT a particle.



If the wind blows in a way (repetition rate) so something blows of your table,

and we say the wind came in waves with frequency f and the thing blown of your table was one of many little pieces of paper,

we have f x paper_piece = windton.

That paper piece is a particle, but f x paper_piece is no particle.

Neither is it the wind, and neither has it anything to do with the air molecules the wind is made of.

But you can give that energy a direction and what not, vector, victor eehh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

But it is still only a mathematical construct.



The WAVE however has its frequency, polarization, amplitude,

and waves in something we have not yet detected it seems (ether?) virtual particles popping in and out of existence?,

chicken soup? what have you.

Give it some time till all the Einstein parrots are long gone,

not holding my breath though.


I do not understand people make such a fuss about something so simple.


I can agree with most of that, and still can't understand how such numbers that represent the photon actually travel or propagate, especially when entanglements have proven no such quantum travel taking place.

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Old September 5th 14, 05:24 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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In article ,
Jan Panteltje writes:
Better:
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/pr...-20140826.html


Even better:
http://holometer.fnal.gov/

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