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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message om... "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote in message news:6lqxc.56776 Since you know this is a Google ID, why don't you use it? I'm under no obligation to use "Usenet"; if you're too lazy to look for the message, obviously you don't care very much about the facts you claim to want to know. Umm, you realize every post you've made has been to Usenet. You're simply using Google as an interface. I personally don't care about the specific message. I was simply trying to give you accurate information, which you clearly don't want. Your loss, not mine. |
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote ...
"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message om... "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote in message news:6lqxc.56776 Since you know this is a Google ID, why don't you use it? I'm under no obligation to use "Usenet"; if you're too lazy to look for the message, obviously you don't care very much about the facts you claim to want to know. Umm, you realize every post you've made has been to Usenet. You're simply using Google as an interface. I personally don't care about the specific message. I was simply trying to give you accurate information, which you clearly don't want. Your loss, not mine. Are Google ID's (as the rnum is being called) even conserved? It's the selm parameter which identifies which post is shown. I had a look and message 164 was ... http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...e.com&rnum=164 however it only contains one question "Why don't you email him and ask for verification?" two which Scott Hedrick had replied "I will after you provide specific cites." |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message om... Woof. Hey OM, looks like she saw her reflection in her monitor. |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message om... How am I uninformed? Read your own posts and see. I have not ANYTHING intelligent to say about the statements NASA made before Congress. As is obvious from your posts. You could change that by talking less about the evidence and providing verifiable references to it. |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message om... Since you know this is a Google ID, why don't you use it? The burden is on you. I'm under no obligation to use "Usenet" But you *are*, when you use Google. |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message m... You go to the main thread "Apollo One, the FBI, and Scott Grissom". You scroll down to message 164. No, *you* go to that forum and get the proper ID number, not the Google-specific one. |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message om... Shut the hell up about Betty. Make me. She's had quite enough grief in 37 1/2 years of NASA bull****. And, according to you, a decade of yours. Why do you hate her so much? |
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"Charleston" wrote in message news:fjxxc.6739$fZ1.1829@fed1read03...
"LaDonna Wyss" wrote:. Ummm, since you have "worked with electricity for a long time" then you must realize that on a circuit containing such a short, a fire can start at the point of the short, or at any place along that circuit, or in multiple places along the circuit. You are assuming the fire started behind Panel 8 behind or around the A/C roll switch. Why would anyone assume the fire started behinf MDC Panel 8? The physical evidence supports no such conclusion. It did not. (As a side note, have you been to Scott's website and seen the picture of that microswitch? It is clear something rather powerful blew through that circuit.) "Powerful"? and "blew through"? that circuit? The one at S11? This one? http://www.apollo1.info/images/Apollo1microswitch.jpg I see a nice shiny metallic colored switch that is so clean that I can read the word "MICROSWITCH" (black on silver) that is a size 10 font or smaller. I see a toggle switch that was physically on the heat exposed side of the MDC panel 8 that has suffered moderate heat damage. How about this angle? http://www.apollo1.info/Apollo1RearS11Wires.htm Look at those wires. If they are teflon then they melt at about 550º F. You would see soot covered copper if they had been exposed to significant heat. How about the paint? No blistering, no bubbling, no discoloration and once again we can read something too "S11". In fact the photo is good enough that you can actually see where the microswitch front surface touched that paint because there is a bit of soot surrounding that ring. Look closely. Now the proof is always in the control isn't it? So here is a control photograph that proves the S11 toggle switch is no different than its neighbors. http://www.apollo1.info/Apollo1Front...RollSwitch.htm I see some soot laden MDC 8 metal. I also see moderately heat damaged toggle switches. I see words on the sooted MDC Panel 8. I see clean metal behind the switch 11 finger guard. I see a lock washer impression where switch 11 was once installed. Now I don't see any tell-tale discolored metal consistent with overheating, nor white alpha aluminum oxide deposits. I don't see any evidence of molten metal flow. The fire actually started in the +yaw thruster of the Service Module, and the fire started 22 minutes before NASA claims it did. What part of the RCS was energized? Was it the solenoids? What are the solenoids made of? Which ones? Did any metal melt or burn? Aluminum? Stainless steel? This is important. Where did the smoke escape to from this RCS fire? Remember there were a few open Service Module access panels to facilitate ground equipment access. Did anyone witness this aluminum or stainless steel smoking? What about that wiring in the Service Module? Surely it would have smoked up a storm and escaped the Service Module onto the platforms at levels A7 and A8? The ones where the witnesses were working. Let's follow this to a logical conclusion. Please do explain. Again, if you ever find your way to the National Archives, you will find multiple documents discussing fire damage to Sector One of the Service Module, damage technicians were at a loss to explain. Surely it could not have been caused by the catastrophic failure of the heat shield in multple locations in the middle of a flash fire that burned and smoldered in the ECU area? Further, if you get a copy of the voice transcript, you will find that +yaw thruster misfired the first time Gus pulsed it; he was forced to fire it a second time. He did not fire any RCS thrusters LaDonna. The Service Module RCS wasn't even wired to the CM MDC. Neither was the Command Module RCS. Instead NASA wired the Command Module MDC electronics that command the RCS to "load boxes" and "A14-275 quad simulators" right? Or is this inconvenient part of the report just part of the big coverup too? Oh and it's pages 1139-1140 and 1237 if you don't believe me. Three minutes later, Roger pointed something out to Gus. The transcript is chopped up at this point, but given the crew's next actions it is rather plain Roger saw smoke: And he just stared blankly at the smoke after smelling the suspicious potting material odor earlier all the while knowing he was in a 90+% O2 environment right? Immediately after Roger points something out to Gus, Roger and Gus both open their faceplates and keep them open for approximately a minute. So during this minute of quiet examination of the cabin atmosphere they mime their discussion so Mission Control won't know that they think there could be this significant problem of smoke in the cabin? Reminds me of SCUBA diving when you want to say something you do it with sign language. At 6:24 another crew member opens his faceplate again (ECU data indicates this; no one was speaking at the time so we do not know whose visor it was.) At 6:30:85 Gus opened his faceplate a third time, this time keeping it open THROUGH THE FIRST CALL OF FIRE, which came from Gus, not Roger (this according to Bell Lab's voice tape analysis.) Why is everyone playing musical visors? Think about it for a second and the answer is clear: They are trying to smell what Roger saw: Smoke. Unfortunately, due to the outflow of oxygen from the suits they were unable to do so. It is amazing that through all of the musical visors, no one ever says a word about what they are doing or why. Finally, as I said, go look at the picture of the microswitch. It speaks for itself. Indeed it does. Daniel I am incredulous. How can you pretend to speak so authoritatively about something you obviously know nothing about? What do you MEAN Gus didn't fire any RCS thrusters? Do you even know what a Plugs-Out test is? Yes, he DID fire thrusters; the Rotation Control portion of the Static Fire test demands he do so. He pulsed, in the following order, -pitch, +pitch, -yaw, +yaw, -roll, +roll. Why don't you get out the Crew Checklist, and the voice transcript, and check it out????? And how do you know who said what about what? Do you have the voice transcript? You obviously do not, or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous statement about the thrusters. The crew DID talk about having their visors open; however, NASA has doctored that transcript so we don't know everything that was said. And yes, I anticipate the question: The reason I know it has been doctored is because there are quotes in Bell Labs voice tape analysis that are not reflected in the transcript. No one "stared blankly"; obviously they were trying to conduct a 'sniff test'. Have you never smelled something while driving your car? I know I have; I currently have an emissions problem I need repaired. I don't pull off to the side of the road and run screaming for the hills, but when I smell something that resembles smoke or something "hot" I immediately turn off the radio and practically hyperventilate while trying to identify the source. What "catastrophic failure" do you refer to regarding the heat shield? As for technicians seeing smoke: Have you read their witness statements? Those statements the Review Board conveniently "forgot" to include in their list of statements DO refer to having seen smoke coming from those access panels. LaDonna |
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