Houston, we have a problem.

Now think again the senerio of sending people to freaking MARS !

Humans SNAP.

You put...what 5-6 humans in a can an send them to Mars.....6 months
one way....??!!!!

It the human factor man...consider the human factor !!!

Oh there will be screwing....not much to do...crew screw !!!
Lots and lots of screwing.
Female/male gets tried of a particluar partner...trys someone
else...jealousy...
raging raging jealousy 1 million miles from earth.
Not much to do...jealousy burning their brains.....

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.
I'm half crazy, all for the love of you.
It won't be a stylish marriage.
I can't afford a carriage.
But you'll look sweet,
upon the seat,
of a bicycle built for two.

Then astronaut descides to open a hatch....crew screwed !

"GatherNoMoss" wrote in message
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Now think again the senerio of sending people to freaking MARS !

Humans SNAP.

You put...what 5-6 humans in a can an send them to Mars.....6 months
one way....??!!!!

It the human factor man...consider the human factor !!!

Oh there will be screwing....not much to do...crew screw !!!

no they will all be neutered, like the crew of Heavens Gate

http://www.wave.net/upg/gate/index.htm

http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16...970407,00.html

"GatherNoMoss" writes:

Now think again the senerio of sending people to freaking MARS !

Humans SNAP.

You put...what 5-6 humans in a can an send them to Mars.....6 months
one way....??!!!!

It the human factor man...consider the human factor !!!

Oh there will be screwing....not much to do...crew screw !!!
[...]

Send monks!

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"Debugging? Klingons do not debug! Our software does not coddle the
weak."

On Feb 8, 4:14 pm, "GatherNoMoss" wrote:
Now think again the senerio of sending people to freaking MARS !

Humans SNAP.

You put...what 5-6 humans in a can an send them to Mars.....6 months
one way....??!!!!

It the human factor man...consider the human factor !!!

Oh there will be screwing....not much to do...crew screw !!!
Lots and lots of screwing.
Female/male gets tried of a particluar partner...trys someone
else...jealousy...
raging raging jealousy 1 million miles from earth.
Not much to do...jealousy burning their brains.....

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.
I'm half crazy, all for the love of you.
It won't be a stylish marriage.
I can't afford a carriage.
But you'll look sweet,
upon the seat,
of a bicycle built for two.

Then astronaut descides to open a hatch....crew screwed !

Okay, okay, we get your point. You obviously won't be going.

Read "Mars", by Ben Bova.

On 8 Feb, 21:14, "GatherNoMoss" wrote:
Now think again the senerio of sending people to freaking MARS !

Humans SNAP.

You put...what 5-6 humans in a can an send them to Mars.....6 months
one way....??!!!!

It the human factor man...consider the human factor !!!

Oh there will be screwing....not much to do...crew screw !!!
Lots and lots of screwing.
Female/male gets tried of a particluar partner...trys someone
else...jealousy...
raging raging jealousy 1 million miles from earth.
Not much to do...jealousy burning their brains.....

This seems ironic to me. There are loads of solid reasons against
sending people to Mars based on cost, distortion of scientific
programs and possibilily (could I put it stronger probability) of
contamination of any Martian life. Is there life on Mars? There soon
will be. A manned expedition just cannot be totally hygenic. As I have
stated many times the raiding of scientiific programs is to me the key
argument.

Yet a specious argument about sex appears to have more force than all
of these! In fact if you have 3 men and 3 women they will sinply have
sex with each other in turn, and there will be no jealousy - at least
not until they get back to Earth. This is what regularly happens in
small communities of both people and chimpanzees. In small South Sea
islands this principle has been followed. The children were looked
after collectively. Of course on Mars medical means will be used to
ensure there are no children.

There is one aspect of the present scandal that touhces on the deeper
reasons though. Astronauts appear to thrive on buzz and do stupid
things when there is no buzz. Drawing parallels with Iraq was a good
point. When Mallory was asked "why climb Everest?" - "Because it is
there?". Mars is there - We do however need a better reason for the
best part od $100 billion.


- Ian Parker

On 9 Feb 2007 06:39:31 -0800, "Ian Parker" wrote:

On 8 Feb, 21:14, "GatherNoMoss" wrote:
Now think again the senerio of sending people to freaking MARS !

Humans SNAP.

You put...what 5-6 humans in a can an send them to Mars.....6 months
one way....??!!!!

It the human factor man...consider the human factor !!!

Oh there will be screwing....not much to do...crew screw !!!
Lots and lots of screwing.
Female/male gets tried of a particluar partner...trys someone
else...jealousy...
raging raging jealousy 1 million miles from earth.
Not much to do...jealousy burning their brains.....

This seems ironic to me. There are loads of solid reasons against
sending people to Mars...

Yet a specious argument about sex appears to have more force than all
of these! In fact if you have 3 men and 3 women they will sinply have
sex with each other in turn, and there will be no jealousy - at least
not until they get back to Earth. This is what regularly happens in
small communities of both people and chimpanzees. In small South Sea
islands this principle has been followed.

Small South Sea Islands like, say, Pitcairn? Try again.

The "problem" of sex on a long-duration spaceflight is probably not
too difficult to solve, but simply assuming it is going to solve
itself by means of everybody living happily and polyamorously after,
is almost certainly a recipe for disaster. As, for that matter, is
any attempt at real-world social engineering based on the anthropology
of Margaret Mead.

One unconditional requirement for anyone planning to travel to Mars
any time in this century, is a willingness to go entirely without
sex (except the solo kind) for the duration, *even if* the entire
rest of the crew is a bunch of perfect-10 hardbodies getting it on
with one another and for some inexplicable reason leaving you out
of it. Probably won't happen that way, but it might, and you can't
turn the ship around if it does.

Fortunately, the real world includes millions of qualified men and
women who can handle this if need be.


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On Feb 8, 9:14 pm, "GatherNoMoss" wrote:
Now think again the senerio of sending people to freaking MARS !

Humans SNAP.

You put...what 5-6 humans in a can an send them to Mars.....6 months
one way....??!!!!

It the human factor man...consider the human factor !!!

Oh there will be screwing....not much to do...crew screw !!!
Lots and lots of screwing.
Female/male gets tried of a particluar partner...trys someone
else...jealousy...
raging raging jealousy 1 million miles from earth.
Not much to do...jealousy burning their brains.....

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.
I'm half crazy, all for the love of you.
It won't be a stylish marriage.
I can't afford a carriage.
But you'll look sweet,
upon the seat,
of a bicycle built for two.

Then astronaut descides to open a hatch....crew screwed !

There are plenty of examples of small groups of men and women coping
with isolation for long periods without cracking up. Polar
expeditions, Mir and ISS crews spring immediately to mind. Just pick
the right men and women.

"John Schilling" wrote in message
...


One unconditional requirement for anyone planning to travel to Mars
any time in this century, is a willingness to go entirely without
sex (except the solo kind) for the duration, *even if* the entire
rest of the crew is a bunch of perfect-10 hardbodies getting it on
with one another and for some inexplicable reason leaving you out
of it. Probably won't happen that way, but it might, and you can't
turn the ship around if it does.

Fortunately, the real world includes millions of qualified men and
women who can handle this if need be.

yep, they're called INTJs. Aka "Vulcans". Just make sure to pick the ones
whose seven-year mating cycle peaks a month or two before liftoff, problem
solved completely.

--
Terrell Miller


"One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the
work of one extraordinary man."
- Elbert Hubbard

On Feb 10, 4:43 pm, John Schilling wrote:

Small South Sea Islands like, say, Pitcairn? Try again.

No I was thinking of pure Polynesian settlements. Not mixed European &
Polynesian. Pitcairn has an odd history. You Americans have done a
great disservice to accurate history by making the film "Mutiny on the
Bounty". The facts are these. Lieutenant Blyth was a promising young
officier. The title "captain" simply meant he was in command
"lieutenant" was his gazetted rank at that time. Eventually he became
an admiral. Blyth was in command of what would be described today as a
research ship, it was a converted coastal ship and he did not have a
quarterdeck. He was not "free with the cat". His crew in fact was
small and trusted. He trusted Fletcher Christian. They stopped at
Tahiti. Fletcher Christian forgot he was a British sailor and was
attracted to the Polynesian women. The mutiny was due purely to his
desire to return to Tahiti.

This mixed Polynesian and European culture - Flether Christian was a
criminal but is glorified by Hollywood produced some peculiar results.
Basically on Pitcairn there is conventional Marriage BUT all unmarried
women are fair gam to anyone at the time.

If you believe that DNA influences our behaviour you must take into
account that the European men were all traitors. Blyth swore to hang
them all when he got back.


- Ian Parker

Yes but if you restrict space travel to a certain type of individual.
You may well miss the individual who will have insights. In essence
what you are implying is that you restrict space travel to the
repressed military types. If that is the case then you might as well
have machines. You are certainly NOT going to get any thinking outside
the box.

In 1831 Joseph Banks reccommended a young biologist called Charles
Darwin for the Beagle expedition. Darwin would not have been the first
choice of NASA. He was seasick, yet his discoveries are epic. Captain
Fitzroy believed implicitly in Adam and Eve and the fact that
organisms could not change.

Would NASAs forst choice have believed in Adam, Eve and Archbishop
Ussher. It was the CONVENTIONAL (and psychologically correct) thing to
believe.


- Ian Parker