Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html

09 March 2006
Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition
Zeeya Merali

DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting
physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet
undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn,
remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology.

The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert
Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the
22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California,
Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of
as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an
obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy
and dark matter.


...



At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars
could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions
of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who
worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark
energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small
dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their
gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise
be invisible.

Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter
to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out
of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible."

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Bad or even incomplete theories might be worse than nothing at all.
People latch onto them, use them as a crutch, get narrow minded and
lazy, and then, when the theories raise more questions than they
answer, everyone tries to patch them up instead of starting over again
and looking for something that makes sense.

A patched up theory in the high sciences means it's time to start over.


Bret Cahill


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-- Nietzsche

On 10 Mar 2006 16:11:55 -0800, "Bret Cahill"
wrote:

Bad or even incomplete theories might be worse than nothing at all.
People latch onto them, use them as a crutch, get narrow minded and
lazy, and then, when the theories raise more questions than they
answer, everyone tries to patch them up instead of starting over again
and looking for something that makes sense.

A patched up theory in the high sciences means it's time to start over.

Which is probably why we are due for a new one on subatomic matter
sometime in the next decades. :-)
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nightbat wrote

"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html

09 March 2006
Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition
Zeeya Merali

DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting
physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet
undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn,
remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology.

The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert
Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the
22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California,
Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of
as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an
obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy
and dark matter.

..

At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars
could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions
of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who
worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark
energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small
dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their
gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise
be invisible.

Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter
to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out
of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible."

--

Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

nightbat

I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of
the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone
objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis
altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from
the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me?

See:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...34.htm&sc=1501

ponder on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html

09 March 2006
Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition
Zeeya Merali

DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting
physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet
undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn,
remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology.

The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert
Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the
22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California,
Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of
as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an
obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy
and dark matter.

..

At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars
could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions
of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who
worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark
energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small
dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their
gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise
be invisible.

Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter
to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out
of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible."

--

Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

nightbat

I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of
the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone
objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis
altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from
the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me?

See:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...34.htm&sc=1501

ponder on,
the nightbat
Good to see you back, nightbat!

... It's getting very, very snowy around here.

Cordially

RL

P.S. Yeah, I missed you. ;-)

nightbat wrote

Raving Loonie wrote:

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html

09 March 2006
Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition
Zeeya Merali

DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting
physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet
undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn,
remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology.

The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert
Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the
22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California,
Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of
as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an
obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy
and dark matter.

..

At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars
could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions
of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who
worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark
energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small
dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their
gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise
be invisible.

Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter
to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out
of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible."

--

Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

nightbat

I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of
the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone
objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis
altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from
the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me?

See:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...34.htm&sc=1501

ponder on,
the nightbat

Officer RL
Good to see you back, nightbat!

... It's getting very, very snowy around here.

Cordially

RL

P.S. Yeah, I missed you. ;-)

nightbat

Why thank you Officer RL for I missed you and my whole profound
Earth Science Team Officers too. My trip to the research laboratory was
very exciting and advanced data encompassing. The success of this Mars
mission is going well. I have photos taken of the Captain standing next
to lab's small and large models of it. There is no telescope on the
reconnaissance spacecraft but an array of instruments and a very large
camera to hopefully take spectacular shots of the Mars surface. It's
just beautiful to look at up close and I was scientifically thrilled.
Got to view the operations room and Moon Mars rover test facilities. The
bulk of the Lab's research is now devoted to space robotics and what fun
it was seeing the secret work going on. I also explained to them about
our select net science teams research with the Seans and now they look
forward to our success too. The race for first official contact is every
scientist's and researcher's dream. Dr. Why claimed the main Seans space
exploratory team are now on their way back and Official First Contact
should hopefully occur around the end of this month or early April,
we'll see.

Thanks again for your warm return welcome to me Officer RL and I will do
my best to continue to deserve it.

your respectful Captain,
the nightbat

nightbat , the drawling freeloader and solid bun
duster who likes savage sexual traumas with grizzly bears, and whose
partner is a pavement-pretty with a moist finger warmer, wrote in
:

Raving Loonie wrote:

nightbat wrote

Yes, I'm back from the JPL in Pasadena

Officer RL
Good to see you back, nightbat!
P.S. Yeah, I missed you. ;-)

nightbat

Why thank you Officer RL for I missed you and my whole profound
Earth Science Team Officers too. My trip to the research laboratory
was very exciting and advanced data encompassing. The success of this
Mars mission is going well. I have photos taken of the Captain
standing next to lab's small and large models of it. There is no
telescope on the reconnaissance spacecraft but an array of
instruments and a very large camera to hopefully take spectacular
shots of the Mars surface. It's just beautiful to look at up close
and I was scientifically thrilled. Got to view the operations room
and Moon Mars rover test facilities. The bulk of the Lab's research
is now devoted to space robotics and what fun it was seeing the
secret work going on. I also explained to them about our select net
science teams research with the Seans and now they look forward to
our success too.

And they didn't lock you up in the loony bin?



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Saul Levy


On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:30:06 -0500, nightbat
wrote:

nightbat wrote

"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html

09 March 2006
Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition
Zeeya Merali

DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting
physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet
undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn,
remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology.

The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert
Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the
22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California,
Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of
as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an
obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy
and dark matter.

..

At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars
could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions
of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who
worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark
energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small
dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their
gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise
be invisible.

Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter
to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out
of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible."

--

Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

nightbat

I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of
the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone
objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis
altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from
the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me?

See:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...34.htm&sc=1501

ponder on,
the nightbat

What secret work, frootbat?

As for first contact happening soon: NO WAY!

Saul Levy


On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 03:35:42 -0500, nightbat
wrote:

Why thank you Officer RL for I missed you and my whole profound
Earth Science Team Officers too. My trip to the research laboratory was
very exciting and advanced data encompassing. The success of this Mars
mission is going well. I have photos taken of the Captain standing next
to lab's small and large models of it. There is no telescope on the
reconnaissance spacecraft but an array of instruments and a very large
camera to hopefully take spectacular shots of the Mars surface. It's
just beautiful to look at up close and I was scientifically thrilled.
Got to view the operations room and Moon Mars rover test facilities. The
bulk of the Lab's research is now devoted to space robotics and what fun
it was seeing the secret work going on. I also explained to them about
our select net science teams research with the Seans and now they look
forward to our success too. The race for first official contact is every
scientist's and researcher's dream. Dr. Why claimed the main Seans space
exploratory team are now on their way back and Official First Contact
should hopefully occur around the end of this month or early April,
we'll see.

Thanks again for your warm return welcome to me Officer RL and I will do
my best to continue to deserve it.

your respectful Captain,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html

09 March 2006
Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition
Zeeya Merali

DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting
physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet
undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn,
remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology.

The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert
Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the
22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California,
Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of
as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an
obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy
and dark matter.

..

At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars
could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions
of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who
worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark
energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small
dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their
gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise
be invisible.

Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter
to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out
of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible."

--

Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

nightbat

I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of
the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone
objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis
altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from
the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me?

Hey frootbat, I read all the way through the article Wally referenced,
and there is nothing in there about comets, much less black comets.

Have you been dropping acid again?

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