the moon

Holly wrote:

Fred Williams wrote in
:

thanx for what you said Fred thats intresting.
So the moon is frozen solid there is no magma in it so thats why
theres no volcanoes they are extict,but once upon a time like 10
billion years ago there was volcanoes.
And since theres no wind and rain on the moon,all that stuff stays
there alot longer than here am i right ?
The big moon/small moon thing well i bet your probly right but i
still can't beleive it that they are the same size because u can see
alot more details of the moo n when it is big and when its way up in
the sky it looks smaller and you can see the details that good.
About saturn well i guess it does what it does and thats too bad 4
me. Like you said maybe i can find some of them star charts or
whatever and see when it might come out earlyer.
I just wish we had more moons.
Thanx again


Starlord has a message that clears up the details where I was a
little sketchy. I was surprized to hear about the "pockets of lava."
Perhaps they are localized from meteor impacts??? It's the first time
I've heard of them. (I don't get out much)(;-)).
I think you've probably got a good idea, now, and the 10 billion
years may be a little long and maybe there was not much in the way of
what we'd call volcanos, as much as meteor impacts, although I
suspect meteor impacts may have eradicated the evidence for volcanos,
but that's just a "thought experiment" loosely defined.

--
Regards
Fred

Remove FFFf to reply, please

Actually Holly,

"In October 2003, Saturn moves into that most recognizable constellation
Orion. The planet rises in the east-northeast in the late evening for
northern observers. Southern observers will enjoy a Saturn rise near
midnight. On October 26, 2003 Saturn is stationary, signaling the start of
its retrograde (westward) motion.

In November 2003 Saturn becomes a major player in evening viewing. The
planet rises in the early evening and is visible throughout the night.
Southern viewers will witness a late evening rise. Saturn returns to the
constellation Gemini this month.

In December 2003 Saturn rises during twilight and is visible throughout the
night. The planet remains in Gemini this month. Saturn is at opposition on
New Year's Eve (December 31, 2003)."

This is a quote from http://soc.jpl.nasa.gov/viewing.cfm

Sorry about "Holy", I mistyped.

jojo


"Holly" wrote in message
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"jojo" wrote in
:

Oh yeah I suppose it will rise 40 feet over my bedroom window starting in
November,right ?
and I beleive in God and all that but its Holly,not holy.

Holy,
at other times of the year Saturn come up much earlier. So there will
be times to see it, just not right now.
jojo


"Holly" wrote in message
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"J. Scott Miller" wrote in
:

Dang dude that was nice of you to write all that I even printed out
your words so i dont forget them. Im not yanking a chain i do like to
mess around but not here when it comes to the moon im seriuos.
Mars I will give a chance i looked at it agian last night and it
looked better.
So you said the dark spots are from lave so does that mean that there
are stil l volcanoes on the moon ? and if so where r they ?
And about the paper tube thing ok Ill try it but I dont really see
what
its
about yeah i know the big moon will look bigger than the little moon
but i can see that without a tube actualy.
Dang saturn dont come out until 2 am ? That sucks i guess that means
i won't be seeing it. I guess that explains why i never found it i
figured
it
was out there somewhere.
Thanx for the web sites things ill check them out later after i get
done doing some stuff.

Holly (

Okay, assuming this is straight and you are not just yanking our
chains...

Holly wrote:
Hey ya peeps glad i found this spot i liked to look at all the
other messages . I got some questions about the moon.
I got my telescope like 2 years ago i got it for christmas and at
first i was like oh wow a telescope whoope de doo .. and my dad
set it up for me and i looked at it like 2 times and that was it.
So it was sitting in the garage for 2 years and finaly with this
mars thing going on i was hearing it was closer to us than ever so
i figured why not ? So i took out the telescope and i figured out
how to use it - its a meade and its a big white one and its got
one of them things that you can ,, the things that let you make it
move by itself with a remote control. Im 15 by the way. So
anyways,I found mars and really it wasnt that great i mean i can
tell its a planet its round but everyone was telling me that it
was red but it didnt look red to me,so no big deal there but guess
what ?

First, give Mars a bit of a chance. Viewing it takes a bit of
patience. It is not red, as you indicate, but appears reddish to
the eye when looking at it against the background star -
concentrate orange light into a small point and the sensitivity of
the eye argues for a red color.

But, if your scope can get upwards to 100x or more, with some
patience you will be able to see dark features on its surface and
the southern icecap. I have been involved with public observations
these last couple of weeks and have been able to get those using my
scope to see these things. They do not jump out and say "Hi!".
You will need to teach yourself how to look all over again, using
tricks like peripheral vision (not looking at it directly but
perhaps just past it so the more light-sensitive parts of your eye
get a chance at it) and simply waiting for the sky to stand still
for a moment (it is in constant turbulent motion, but every once in
a while, things will sharpen).

So, if you are into instant gratification, Mars is not a good
choice for looking, but if you have the patience, it can be a bit
satisfying.
To help you identify what might be in your scope at the moment you
are looking at Mars (assuming you go back to it), Sky and Telescope
(http://www.skypub.com) has an online program that lets you put in
your date and time and it will recreate that part of Mars facing
you. At least it is a start.


I got hooked on the moon. I love looking at the moon and seeing
all the craters the only crappy par tis it hurts my eye after a
while ..My freinds like looking at the moon too.. so heres my
questions. . You know how like on the moon theres alot of craters
of course,but there are also a lot of dark areas that look flat.
what are those ?

The dark areas are lava planes, much like the dark lava one sees
when viewing the active volcanos of Hawaii. They are referred to
as mare (in the singular) and maria collectively, a name that means
"sea". One of those, visible in your scope is the Sea of
Tranquility, the general location of the first manned Moon landing.


Another thing is why does the
moon look bigger sometimes and other times it looks small ? I
guess it must come closer some times.

This is really an optical illusion. To show this to be the case,
look at the Moon when it looks big (probably near the horizon)
through a tube, like a paper roll tube or toilet paper roll tube.
Note how much room it takes up within the opening. Then go out
several hours later when the Moon is high in the sky and do the
same thing. I found this dramatically illustrated for me while
shooting photographs of the Moon during the last lunar eclipse and
centering it within the viewfinder of my camera for each shot.


One more thing is im wondering why the moon is orange sometimes -
im guessing it has something to do like with the position of the
sun.

Actually, it is our air, and the effect is similar to that which
causes an orange/red sunset. Our air scatters out some wavelengths
of light better than others. In particular, blue gets scattered
more than yellows and reds - the reason we have blue skies during
the day. Near the horizon, both the light from both objects must
pass through that much more air to get to our eyes, so that even
the yellow light begins to be scattered out.

There is another, rarer time when the Moon will appear reddish.
That is during a lunar eclipse. The next of those that you might
catch, weather permitting in in early November (8th/9th I believe,
without references in front of me).

Ok im going now if its nice tonite which it looks like it will be
im going to go out moon hunting.
If anyones got some tips for me,and i mean besides spelling and
stuff,that would be nice.
Oh yeah especialy if some1 can tell me how to finf saturn that
would be great.


Saturn rises about 2 a.m. locally and is located among the stars of
a constellation called Gemini the Twins. If you would like help
finding the planets among the stars, at least the naked eye
planets, you might visit a site called Heaven's Above
(http://www.heavens-above.com). After putting in your country and
city, it generates a collection of observational aids, from
satellite passes to planet locations to sky maps. The sky maps are
interactive - put in the date and time (based on a 24 hour clock
rather than our more common 12 hours + 12 hours) and it creates a
map. Use the black on white option to get a printable one. If
there are planets up at that time, it includes their location in
the sky.

And, another reference would be an article I post once a month on
my planetarium's web site (http://www.louisville.edu/planetarium).
Click on the "Current Sky" button and it will give you a summary of
planet locations and dates when the Moon will be passing near a
planet so that the Moon can help you locate them.

Good luck with your observing.

"John Honan" wrote in message
...
Of course, what's happened now is that there are people posting wondering
when the 'other side' is going to face Earth, and where exactly they can
see
the flag....
Anybody in the UK seen the car advert? They have used some footage of an
Apollo mission and have added the Earth...slowly rising above the horizon.

Then there's the UK popular science magazine "New Scientist" with an
article about colonising the moon that begins "Imagine you are standing on
the moon watching the earthrise..."

Sally

Hi Sally The picture the astronauts took of the Earth coming up from
the Moons horizon is the best picture in the world. I can't seem to buy
a large print of it to frame. I have a large print of a painting of the
Milky Way,and I would like the Earth picture to hang next to it in my
den. PS that picture was worth the cost of the Apollo Bert

In article ,
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:

Hi Sally The picture the astronauts took of the Earth coming up from
the Moons horizon is the best picture in the world. I can't seem to buy
a large print of it to frame. I have a large print of a painting of the
Milky Way,and I would like the Earth picture to hang next to it in my
den. PS that picture was worth the cost of the Apollo Bert


http://tranquilityposters.com/earthrise/

Thanks Bill D. That was nice of you. I love pictures,and will send them
a check. Bert

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
...
Hi Sally The picture the astronauts took of the Earth coming up from
the Moons horizon is the best picture in the world. I can't seem to buy
a large print of it to frame. I have a large print of a painting of the
Milky Way,and I would like the Earth picture to hang next to it in my
den. PS that picture was worth the cost of the Apollo Bert
Yes, I know the wonderful picture you are referring to. But in the car
advert they "enhanced" the effect by showing the earth actually moving up
from the horizon.
Sally

Thanx for the tips and dont worry about messin with me becuase im am used
to it.
Im glad to hear that i might be able to see saturn some time.
If I see the rings,i will jump for joy trust me.


Actually Holly,

"In October 2003, Saturn moves into that most recognizable
constellation Orion. The planet rises in the east-northeast in the
late evening for northern observers. Southern observers will enjoy a
Saturn rise near midnight. On October 26, 2003 Saturn is stationary,
signaling the start of its retrograde (westward) motion.

In November 2003 Saturn becomes a major player in evening viewing. The
planet rises in the early evening and is visible throughout the night.
Southern viewers will witness a late evening rise. Saturn returns to
the constellation Gemini this month.

In December 2003 Saturn rises during twilight and is visible
throughout the night. The planet remains in Gemini this month. Saturn
is at opposition on New Year's Eve (December 31, 2003)."

This is a quote from http://soc.jpl.nasa.gov/viewing.cfm

Sorry about "Holy", I mistyped.

jojo


"Holly" wrote in message
...
"jojo" wrote in
:

Oh yeah I suppose it will rise 40 feet over my bedroom window
starting in November,right ?
and I beleive in God and all that but its Holly,not holy.

Holy,
at other times of the year Saturn come up much earlier. So there
will be times to see it, just not right now.
jojo


"Holly" wrote in message
...
"J. Scott Miller" wrote in
:

Dang dude that was nice of you to write all that I even printed
out your words so i dont forget them. Im not yanking a chain i do
like to mess around but not here when it comes to the moon im
seriuos. Mars I will give a chance i looked at it agian last night
and it looked better.
So you said the dark spots are from lave so does that mean that
there are stil l volcanoes on the moon ? and if so where r they ?
And about the paper tube thing ok Ill try it but I dont really see
what
its
about yeah i know the big moon will look bigger than the little
moon but i can see that without a tube actualy.
Dang saturn dont come out until 2 am ? That sucks i guess that
means i won't be seeing it. I guess that explains why i never
found it i figured
it
was out there somewhere.
Thanx for the web sites things ill check them out later after i
get done doing some stuff.

Holly (

Okay, assuming this is straight and you are not just yanking our
chains...

Holly wrote:
Hey ya peeps glad i found this spot i liked to look at all the
other messages . I got some questions about the moon.
I got my telescope like 2 years ago i got it for christmas and
at first i was like oh wow a telescope whoope de doo .. and my
dad set it up for me and i looked at it like 2 times and that
was it. So it was sitting in the garage for 2 years and finaly
with this mars thing going on i was hearing it was closer to us
than ever so i figured why not ? So i took out the telescope
and i figured out how to use it - its a meade and its a big
white one and its got one of them things that you can ,, the
things that let you make it move by itself with a remote
control. Im 15 by the way. So anyways,I found mars and really
it wasnt that great i mean i can tell its a planet its round
but everyone was telling me that it was red but it didnt look
red to me,so no big deal there but guess what ?

First, give Mars a bit of a chance. Viewing it takes a bit of
patience. It is not red, as you indicate, but appears reddish
to the eye when looking at it against the background star -
concentrate orange light into a small point and the sensitivity
of the eye argues for a red color.

But, if your scope can get upwards to 100x or more, with some
patience you will be able to see dark features on its surface
and the southern icecap. I have been involved with public
observations these last couple of weeks and have been able to
get those using my scope to see these things. They do not jump
out and say "Hi!". You will need to teach yourself how to look
all over again, using tricks like peripheral vision (not looking
at it directly but perhaps just past it so the more
light-sensitive parts of your eye get a chance at it) and simply
waiting for the sky to stand still for a moment (it is in
constant turbulent motion, but every once in a while, things
will sharpen).

So, if you are into instant gratification, Mars is not a good
choice for looking, but if you have the patience, it can be a
bit satisfying.
To help you identify what might be in your scope at the moment
you
are looking at Mars (assuming you go back to it), Sky and
Telescope (http://www.skypub.com) has an online program that
lets you put in your date and time and it will recreate that
part of Mars facing you. At least it is a start.


I got hooked on the moon. I love looking at the moon and seeing
all the craters the only crappy par tis it hurts my eye after a
while ..My freinds like looking at the moon too.. so heres my
questions. . You know how like on the moon theres alot of
craters of course,but there are also a lot of dark areas that
look flat. what are those ?

The dark areas are lava planes, much like the dark lava one sees
when viewing the active volcanos of Hawaii. They are referred
to as mare (in the singular) and maria collectively, a name that
means "sea". One of those, visible in your scope is the Sea of
Tranquility, the general location of the first manned Moon
landing.


Another thing is why does the
moon look bigger sometimes and other times it looks small ? I
guess it must come closer some times.

This is really an optical illusion. To show this to be the
case, look at the Moon when it looks big (probably near the
horizon) through a tube, like a paper roll tube or toilet paper
roll tube. Note how much room it takes up within the opening.
Then go out several hours later when the Moon is high in the sky
and do the same thing. I found this dramatically illustrated
for me while shooting photographs of the Moon during the last
lunar eclipse and centering it within the viewfinder of my
camera for each shot.


One more thing is im wondering why the moon is orange sometimes
- im guessing it has something to do like with the position of
the sun.

Actually, it is our air, and the effect is similar to that which
causes an orange/red sunset. Our air scatters out some
wavelengths of light better than others. In particular, blue
gets scattered more than yellows and reds - the reason we have
blue skies during the day. Near the horizon, both the light from
both objects must pass through that much more air to get to our
eyes, so that even the yellow light begins to be scattered out.

There is another, rarer time when the Moon will appear reddish.
That is during a lunar eclipse. The next of those that you
might catch, weather permitting in in early November (8th/9th I
believe, without references in front of me).

Ok im going now if its nice tonite which it looks like it will
be im going to go out moon hunting.
If anyones got some tips for me,and i mean besides spelling and
stuff,that would be nice.
Oh yeah especialy if some1 can tell me how to finf saturn that
would be great.


Saturn rises about 2 a.m. locally and is located among the stars
of a constellation called Gemini the Twins. If you would like
help finding the planets among the stars, at least the naked eye
planets, you might visit a site called Heaven's Above
(http://www.heavens-above.com). After putting in your country
and city, it generates a collection of observational aids, from
satellite passes to planet locations to sky maps. The sky maps
are interactive - put in the date and time (based on a 24 hour
clock rather than our more common 12 hours + 12 hours) and it
creates a map. Use the black on white option to get a printable
one. If there are planets up at that time, it includes their
location in the sky.

And, another reference would be an article I post once a month
on my planetarium's web site
(http://www.louisville.edu/planetarium). Click on the "Current
Sky" button and it will give you a summary of planet locations
and dates when the Moon will be passing near a planet so that
the Moon can help you locate them.

Good luck with your observing.

"Starlord" wrote in
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Dang thats along time ago.

No, never was anything like what we call Volcanos, the "Seas" are from
the heating of the moon during the time of the great bombment, and
there still lava pockets and some deep down that could flow out. Once
it was all soid and cold, then the creaters formed when the moon was
hit. Most of , if not all the big creaters are from 2 billion to 3.5
billion years old.


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"Holly" wrote in message
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Fred Williams wrote in
:

thanx for what you said Fred thats intresting.
So the moon is frozen solid there is no magma in it so thats why
theres no volcanoes they are extict,but once upon a time like 10
billion years ago there was volcanoes.
And since theres no wind and rain on the moon,all that stuff stays
there alot longer than here am i right ?
The big moon/small moon thing well i bet your probly right but i
still can't beleive it that they are the same size because u can see
alot more details of the moo n when it is big and when its way up in
the sky it looks smaller and you can see the details that good.
About saturn well i guess it does what it does and thats too bad 4
me. Like you said maybe i can find some of them star charts or
whatever and see when it might come out earlyer.
I just wish we had more moons.
Thanx again

Holly (

Holly wrote:

So you said the dark spots are from lave so does that mean that
there are stil l volcanoes on the moon ? and if so where r they ?

Any volcanos are ancient and long since extinct. Unlike
the Earth,
which has a molten core, the moon is solid all the way through.
No magma exists anymore below the surface, hence, no more volcanic
activity. The lava "seas" are old. They're just not going
anywhere.

And about the paper tube thing ok Ill try it but I dont really see
what its about yeah i know the big moon will look bigger than the
little moon but i can see that without a tube actualy.

Try holding a ruler at arms length and maybe marking it
with a piece
of masking tape, or whatever. The physical measurement of the
moon's diameter will actually be the same near the horizon as when
it's higher in the sky.
It's not so much atmospheric distortion, which does
"fuzzify" the
image a little, as it is a mental effect. ( My guess: I think when
our visual apparatus was evolving, things on the horizon were much
more important that things up in the sky and our brains learned to
do some image enhancement for objects close to the horizon).
Basically, it's all in our heads. Actual measurements, with
instruments, of the angular size of the moon on the horizon and the
angular size of the moon high in the sky are the same. They sure
*look* different though.

Dang saturn dont come out until 2 am ? That sucks i guess that
means i won't be seeing it. I guess that explains why i never
found it i figured it was out there somewhere.

Depending where the Earth and Saturn are in their orbits,
the time at
which it rises varies. If you're not into getting up at 2:00 in
the morning to see a dot of light in the sky, then wait a few
months and check again, better yet, consult one of the good
astronomy programs out there and check the schedule. Then you can
book an appointment with Saturn at a more convenient time of night
for you, just at some later time in the year, or maybe next year.
Uh, sorry, but I think that means you'll have to find
another excuse
for not having found it before. No matter, you're in good company
and the planets can easily be mistaken for stars unless you're
really studying them and know where to look beforehand.
It's a fun hobby if you're interested in the universe. New
discoveries are coming in all the time and with all the theories
flying around it's a little chaotic right now, but that keeps life
interesting.




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Holly wrote:

"Tim Longwell" wrote in
:

Thanx for the tip about the books ill see if my libary has them.
im gonna get every book about the moon there is.
and about saturn well the only bad part is by then it will be freezing
cold because i live in Michigan where it gets cold around that time.

Holly {;}

Where about in MI? (southern, central, northern, or UP, I really don't want
to know specific, nor would it be prudent for a young person to advertise
specific locations on the Internet) From what I can see on my
charts,www.heavens-above.com, and KStars, Saturn should be viewable in the
east and well above the horizon by November at 11 PM or Midnight, at least
from Maple Rapids (Southern Central MI). I hope to see it then myself.
While it might snow by then, it will most likely be sweatshirt weather.
Heck if you get up at about 4 or 5 now you should be able to see it in the
east.

Good luck.


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