Equinox March 2015

In terms of the surface rotation with respect to the central Sun arising solely from the orbital motion of the Earth through space, the North/South surface polar points are nearing the circle of illumination from the Solstice position of 90 degrees and a maximum distance from the circle of illumination . It is not quite like the following image at present but fairly close for illustrative purposes (the images was taken more towards May)-

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/...mericas250.jpg

The hypothesis for the cause of the seasons requires revisiting using a fairly straightforward assessment that could be done at any time from the space station or any other imaging satellite out there. Instead of tilting towards and away from the Sun, the Earth's surface is carried around in a circle where the Polar points are the most obvious way to extrapolate this rotation as they run parallel with the Earth's orbital plane.

Nobody needs to oppose this anymore no more than they need permission to explain it,after all we can see it happening from space if they took the time to create a set of images -

http://www.space.com/25797-nasa-hd-e...-webcasts.html

So, observers should get into the spirit of things where perspectives are married to modern technology as though it was so much common sense and everyone was being inspired or being productive. This is our century and there is so much to do.

Don't feed the Gerald Kelleher troll. You will be wasting your time and, more importantly, you will be encouraging Gerald to continue even longer in his self-harming activities.

Gerald, because of the severe and life-long condition from which he suffers, is almost entirely unable to accept anything that differs from his own bizarre view of the world. Changing his mind is simply not possible. Getting him to respond to questions is also impossible.

The way he endlessly repeats minor variations of the same nonsense is just one symptom of his illness. He quite literally cannot stop himself from posting and it is both instructive and frightening to examine how often he posts. It is hard to imagine that he has a normal life as in paid employment, a family and other leisure activities.

Gerald has zero interest in debate - in the normally accepted meaning of the word. Of course I remain unconvinced that he really believes some of the crud he keeps chanting out. Some of his favourite topics from the past have been quietly dropped from his menu and this possibly reflects that he has finally realised that on that particular issue he was 100% wrong?

http://www.space.com/25797-nasa-hd-e...-webcasts.html

With the lights out in the room it is fascinating in the most relaxing way even though looking out into the celestial arena is much the same.

The same organization that gives us this amazing view of our home planet then expresses this monstrosity for no good reason -

http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images..._2010-2011.jpg

Why the animosity towards the surface rotation arising from the orbital motion of the Earth which keeps the circle of illumination always tangential to the orbital plane and useful North/South polar coordinates turning in a circle parallel to this motion through space -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_PIA04531.jpg

oriel36 wrote:
http://www.space.com/25797-nasa-hd-e...-webcasts.html

With the lights out in the room it is fascinating in the most relaxing
way even though looking out into the celestial arena is much the same.

The same organization that gives us this amazing view of our home planet
then expresses this monstrosity for no good reason -

http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images..._2010-2011.jpg

Now explain exactly what upsets you in these images and why.

Why the animosity towards the surface rotation arising from the orbital
motion of the Earth which keeps the circle of illumination always
tangential to the orbital plane and useful North/South polar coordinates
turning in a circle parallel to this motion through space -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_PIA04531.jpg

On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:39:09 -0800 (PST), oriel36 wrote:

http://www.space.com/25797-nasa-hd-e...-webcasts.html

With the lights out in the room it is fascinating in the most relaxing way even though looking out into the celestial arena is much the same.

The same organization that gives us this amazing view of our home planet then expresses this monstrosity for no good reason -

http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images..._2010-2011.jpg

Why the animosity towards the surface rotation arising from the orbital motion of the Earth which keeps the circle of illumination always tangential to the orbital plane and useful North/South polar coordinates turning in a circle parallel to this motion through space -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_PIA04531.jpg

Here, have the animation. Digest it, or choke on it.

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=11353

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On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 6:27:12 AM UTC, Bill wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:39:09 -0800 (PST), oriel36 wrote:

http://www.space.com/25797-nasa-hd-e...-webcasts.html

With the lights out in the room it is fascinating in the most relaxing way even though looking out into the celestial arena is much the same.

The same organization that gives us this amazing view of our home planet then expresses this monstrosity for no good reason -

http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images..._2010-2011.jpg

Why the animosity towards the surface rotation arising from the orbital motion of the Earth which keeps the circle of illumination always tangential to the orbital plane and useful North/South polar coordinates turning in a circle parallel to this motion through space -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_PIA04531.jpg

Here, have the animation. Digest it, or choke on it.

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=11353

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Pivoting the circle of illumination off the Equator where the Earth loses its 23 1/2 degree inclination is certainly a celestial sphere effort and grotesque.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_PIA04531.jpg

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/...mericas250.jpg

The Earth when seen from Mars will eventually show close to a full set of phases with the circle of illumination always tangential to the central Sun just as Venus shows its almost full set of phases to us -

http://www.masil-astro-imaging.com/S...age%20flat.jpg

The Sun's Equator projected out into space provides a rough guide for the orbital planes of all the planets so the celestial sphere habit of describing the Equinox as the Sun's passage across the Earth's rotational Equator is a particularly celestial sphere thing to do and loses all sense of size comparison between the Earth and the Sun -

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/education/im...-earth-750.jpg

So, revisit the horror of that NASA time lapse footage which you kindly posted with its total lack of physical considerations and the irrational demands it makes on people's imagination.

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:55:35 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
http://www.space.com/25797-nasa-hd-e...-webcasts.html

With the lights out in the room it is fascinating in the most relaxing
way even though looking out into the celestial arena is much the same.

The same organization that gives us this amazing view of our home planet
then expresses this monstrosity for no good reason -

http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images..._2010-2011.jpg

Now explain exactly what upsets you in these images and why.

You can't get upset over an absurdity however some person sat down at a computer terminal and conjured up a dumb pivoting circle of illumination out of actual imaging and the Earth with a zero degree inclination.

I don't have the computer skills to put together the sequence of images which will show that although the entire planet turns slowly and unevenly as a function of its orbital motion, the North/South poles provide the optimal perspective for this rotation as they turn parallel to the orbital plane and to the central Sun -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...precession.svg

A two minute analogy using a broom and walking/orbiting a central object will confirm this and break through the older flawed idea of axial precession and give observers the second surface rotation needed to explain the seasons and why the total length of the noon cycle varies as the Sun crosses the observer's meridian each day.

Am I supposed to attack you for seeing nothing wrong with distorting the Meteosat's imaging to force through what is an assault on the eyes ?. I would much prefer to see intelligence prevail and the proper use of imaging be brought into this important topic.

Readers should not feed the Gerald Kelleher troll. You will be wasting your time and, more importantly, you will be encouraging Gerald to continue even longer in his self-harming activities.

Gerald, because of the severe and life-long condition from which he suffers, is almost entirely unable to accept anything that differs from his own bizarre view of the world. Changing his mind is simply not possible neither is getting him to respond to questions.

Equally important is that many regulars remain unconvinced that Gerald really believes some of the crud he keeps chanting out. Some of his favourite topics from the past have been quietly dropped from his menu and this probably reflects the fact that he has finally realised that on that particular issue he was 100% wrong?

The way he endlessly repeats minor variations of the same nonsense is just one symptom of his illness. He quite literally cannot stop himself from posting - it has pretty much become his "life". It is hard to find any evidence that he has an existence outside his handful of trivial obsessions.

On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:53:16 -0800 (PST), oriel36 wrote:

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:55:35 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
http://www.space.com/25797-nasa-hd-e...-webcasts.html

With the lights out in the room it is fascinating in the most relaxing
way even though looking out into the celestial arena is much the same.

The same organization that gives us this amazing view of our home planet
then expresses this monstrosity for no good reason -

http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images..._2010-2011.jpg

Now explain exactly what upsets you in these images and why.

You can't get upset over an absurdity however some person sat down at a computer terminal and conjured up a dumb pivoting circle of illumination out of actual imaging and the Earth with a zero degree inclination.

I don't have the computer skills to put together the sequence of images which will show that although the entire planet turns slowly and unevenly as a function of its orbital motion, the North/South poles provide the optimal perspective for this rotation as they turn parallel to the orbital plane and to the central Sun -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...precession.svg

A two minute analogy using a broom and walking/orbiting a central object will confirm this and break through the older flawed idea of axial precession and give observers the second surface rotation needed to explain the seasons and why the total length of the noon cycle varies as the Sun crosses the observer's meridian each day.

Am I supposed to attack you for seeing nothing wrong with distorting the Meteosat's imaging to force through what is an assault on the eyes ?. I would much prefer to see intelligence prevail and the proper use of imaging be brought into this important topic.



From the position of the camera taking the images - the terminator
"rocks" back and forth due to the fact that the camera's orietation is
fixed w.r.t. the Earth's surface.

(When you evaluate images, it's necessary to account for the orietatoin
of the camera w.r.t. the subject, and any other limitations that exist
with the imaging system. If you don't, you're liable to do as you did
in this case: reach wrong conclusions. )

Sure, someone at NASA, or a even a hobbyist, could redo the time lapse:
processing the images with a computer, reorienting the data to maintain
the terminator in a fixed position w.r.t. the view of people looking at
the image (per your preference); but the result would not be "more true"
than the original time-lapse.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612gSZsplpE

Two surface rotations with particular emphasis on 45 seconds into that time lapse footage where the orbital component becomes manifest in an obvious was with the circle of illumination fixed and taken for granted.

There is no reason whatsoever that a time lapse footage cannot be taken from a satellite riding the terminator where the North/South poles will be seen to turn in a circle parallel to the orbital plane and exactly as illustrated in the 'precession' image -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...precession.svg

As the only adult here and one who actually enjoys the dynamics leading up to the March Equinox, it is a shame that one of those guys at NASA can't apply themselves to the dual surface rotations responsible for the seasons and the variations in the length of the noon cycle,bot arising from the same cause.