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Old July 30th 07, 08:00 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
Benj
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!


Anyone notice the MONSTER thread on Gobal Warming? It's actually too
huge to read on Google!

What is clear that Global Warming like "gun control" is a political
agenda where lies abound and ethical science goes out the window.

We find paid minions of the "desired" view infesting the Usenet and
using clever wording and lies to further their agenda.

The Global warming thing is a great example.

They say global warming is real (it is!)
Then try to make the case that some politicians (Bush) have tried to
deny global warming. (He has in the past)
Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason of
a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming.
Then comes "proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global
ocean temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)

Bottom line we all must accept global warming as due to our SUVs and
power plants or these guys will call us nasty names!

Brrrrr! I'm shaking in my boots!

This is all identical to the "gun control" debate where firearm
ownership is tied by the propagandists to higher crime rates. Too bad
all scientific studies including the ones mandated by Congress and
done by the CDC found NO such connections.

So what am I getting at here? These issues are NOT what I'm talking
about. I"m not trying to forward a political agenda here, save ONE:
To take the POLITICS out of Science!

Science, it seems has developed a certain amount of well-deserved
credibility in the public perception. So it isn't surprising that
those with a political agenda would try to USE that public credibility
to further their political agendas. What I'm saying here is that we
scientists, need to stand up and speak out. No, not take sides in the
debate lies. And certainly not to join all the noise of name-calling
and "proofs by assertion" that characterize political "debates".

No! We need to squawk loud and often about this SUBVERSION of the
integrity of Science by political agendas. When lies are all over the
media being held up as "science" someone needs to point it out and
when prizes are given for bogus research they need to be taken back
and the schools embarrassed! In short all this MISUSE of OUR science
for political purpose needs to stop and it's only going to stop if WE
start speaking out instead of going along with those pretending there
is a "scientific" debate where there actually is none!

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Old July 30th 07, 08:15 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!


"Benj" wrote in message
ups.com...

Anyone notice the MONSTER thread on Gobal Warming? It's actually too
huge to read on Google!

What is clear that Global Warming like "gun control" is a political
agenda where lies abound and ethical science goes out the window.

We find paid minions of the "desired" view infesting the Usenet and
using clever wording and lies to further their agenda.

The Global warming thing is a great example.

They say global warming is real (it is!)
Then try to make the case that some politicians (Bush) have tried to
deny global warming. (He has in the past)
Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason of
a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming.
Then comes "proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global
ocean temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)


Um, the rest of the world disagrees.


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Old July 30th 07, 08:24 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
Bill Ward[_2_]
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:00:34 -0700, Benj wrote:


Anyone notice the MONSTER thread on Gobal Warming? It's actually too huge
to read on Google!

What is clear that Global Warming like "gun control" is a political agenda
where lies abound and ethical science goes out the window.

We find paid minions of the "desired" view infesting the Usenet and using
clever wording and lies to further their agenda.

The Global warming thing is a great example.

They say global warming is real (it is!) Then try to make the case that
some politicians (Bush) have tried to deny global warming. (He has in the
past) Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason
of a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming. Then comes
"proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global ocean
temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)

Bottom line we all must accept global warming as due to our SUVs and power
plants or these guys will call us nasty names!

Brrrrr! I'm shaking in my boots!

This is all identical to the "gun control" debate where firearm ownership
is tied by the propagandists to higher crime rates. Too bad all
scientific studies including the ones mandated by Congress and done by the
CDC found NO such connections.

So what am I getting at here? These issues are NOT what I'm talking
about. I"m not trying to forward a political agenda here, save ONE: To
take the POLITICS out of Science!

Science, it seems has developed a certain amount of well-deserved
credibility in the public perception. So it isn't surprising that those
with a political agenda would try to USE that public credibility to
further their political agendas. What I'm saying here is that we
scientists, need to stand up and speak out. No, not take sides in the
debate lies. And certainly not to join all the noise of name-calling and
"proofs by assertion" that characterize political "debates".

No! We need to squawk loud and often about this SUBVERSION of the
integrity of Science by political agendas. When lies are all over the
media being held up as "science" someone needs to point it out and when
prizes are given for bogus research they need to be taken back and the
schools embarrassed! In short all this MISUSE of OUR science for political
purpose needs to stop and it's only going to stop if WE start speaking out
instead of going along with those pretending there is a "scientific"
debate where there actually is none!


You are spot on. Get a good newsreader and join the fray. We need more
people with science backgrounds.

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Old July 30th 07, 08:35 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!

In sci.physics Server 13 wrote:

"Benj" wrote in message
ups.com...

Anyone notice the MONSTER thread on Gobal Warming? It's actually too
huge to read on Google!

What is clear that Global Warming like "gun control" is a political
agenda where lies abound and ethical science goes out the window.

We find paid minions of the "desired" view infesting the Usenet and
using clever wording and lies to further their agenda.

The Global warming thing is a great example.

They say global warming is real (it is!)
Then try to make the case that some politicians (Bush) have tried to
deny global warming. (He has in the past)
Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason of
a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming.
Then comes "proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global
ocean temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)


Um, the rest of the world disagrees.


If that were actually true, the above post would have never been made.

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Old July 30th 07, 08:37 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!


wrote in message
...
In sci.physics Server 13 wrote:

"Benj" wrote in message
ups.com...

Anyone notice the MONSTER thread on Gobal Warming? It's actually too
huge to read on Google!

What is clear that Global Warming like "gun control" is a political
agenda where lies abound and ethical science goes out the window.

We find paid minions of the "desired" view infesting the Usenet and
using clever wording and lies to further their agenda.

The Global warming thing is a great example.

They say global warming is real (it is!)
Then try to make the case that some politicians (Bush) have tried to
deny global warming. (He has in the past)
Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason of
a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming.
Then comes "proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global
ocean temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)


Um, the rest of the world disagrees.


If that were actually true, the above post would have never been made.


OK, the rest of the world -5% Denialists.


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Old July 30th 07, 08:45 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!

On Jul 30, 12:37 pm, "Server 13" wrote:
wrote in message

...





In sci.physics Server 13 wrote:


"Benj" wrote in message
roups.com...


Anyone notice the MONSTER thread on Gobal Warming? It's actually too
huge to read on Google!


What is clear that Global Warming like "gun control" is a political
agenda where lies abound and ethical science goes out the window.


We find paid minions of the "desired" view infesting the Usenet and
using clever wording and lies to further their agenda.


The Global warming thing is a great example.


They say global warming is real (it is!)
Then try to make the case that some politicians (Bush) have tried to
deny global warming. (He has in the past)
Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason of
a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming.
Then comes "proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global
ocean temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)


Um, the rest of the world disagrees.


If that were actually true, the above post would have never been made.


OK, the rest of the world -5% Denialists.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Science isn't a democracy.

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Old July 30th 07, 08:55 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!

On Jul 30, 12:00 pm, Benj wrote:

Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason of
a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming.
Then comes "proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global
ocean temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)


snip

when prizes are given for bogus research they need to be taken back
and the schools embarrassed! In short all this MISUSE of OUR science
for political purpose needs to stop and it's only going to stop if WE
start speaking out instead of going along with those pretending there
is a "scientific" debate where there actually is none!


Well stated.

I agree with the other poster. We need scientists like yourself to
get into the fray.

I've also noticed that it is both unproductive and unnecessary to try
to dispute or refute any of the assertions made by these AGW whackos.
Their thinking is too vague. Attempts to dispute it only confuse the
audience and leave them with the impression that, maybe, there is
something to this hoax. It's best to help them, encourage them, and
berate these whackos into explicating their thoughts on AGW. Once
this is done it becomes perfectly clear that these whackos are
whacked. In fact it becomes so clear that they themselves realize how
whacko they sound and immediately try to save face and discontinue the
conversation.




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Old July 30th 07, 09:09 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
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wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 30, 12:37 pm, "Server 13" wrote:
wrote in message

...





In sci.physics Server 13 wrote:


"Benj" wrote in message
roups.com...


Anyone notice the MONSTER thread on Gobal Warming? It's actually too
huge to read on Google!


What is clear that Global Warming like "gun control" is a political
agenda where lies abound and ethical science goes out the window.


We find paid minions of the "desired" view infesting the Usenet and
using clever wording and lies to further their agenda.


The Global warming thing is a great example.


They say global warming is real (it is!)
Then try to make the case that some politicians (Bush) have tried to
deny global warming. (He has in the past)
Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason
of
a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming.
Then comes "proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global
ocean temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)


Um, the rest of the world disagrees.


If that were actually true, the above post would have never been made.


OK, the rest of the world -5% Denialists.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Science isn't a democracy.


lol Quoting the same ten or so denialists over and over isn't science.


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Old July 30th 07, 09:10 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!


wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 30, 12:00 pm, Benj wrote:

Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason of
a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming.
Then comes "proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global
ocean temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)


snip

when prizes are given for bogus research they need to be taken back
and the schools embarrassed! In short all this MISUSE of OUR science
for political purpose needs to stop and it's only going to stop if WE
start speaking out instead of going along with those pretending there
is a "scientific" debate where there actually is none!


Well stated.

I agree with the other poster. We need scientists like yourself to
get into the fray.

I've also noticed that it is both unproductive and unnecessary to try
to dispute or refute any of the assertions made by these AGW whackos.
Their thinking is too vague. Attempts to dispute it only confuse the
audience and leave them with the impression that, maybe, there is
something to this hoax.


Actually, serious efforts to dispute AGW science are rarely made here.
Generally it's quotes from the same few bought and paid for liars, or
amateur science word salads.


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Old July 30th 07, 09:12 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,alt.global-warming,alt.politics
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Default Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!


"Bill Ward" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:00:34 -0700, Benj wrote:


Anyone notice the MONSTER thread on Gobal Warming? It's actually too huge
to read on Google!

What is clear that Global Warming like "gun control" is a political
agenda
where lies abound and ethical science goes out the window.

We find paid minions of the "desired" view infesting the Usenet and using
clever wording and lies to further their agenda.

The Global warming thing is a great example.

They say global warming is real (it is!) Then try to make the case that
some politicians (Bush) have tried to deny global warming. (He has in the
past) Then comes the huge "leap of faith" where CO2 is accused by reason
of a "greenhouse effect" to be the "cause" of global warming. Then comes
"proof" in the form of CO2 level charts that match global ocean
temperatures. (This "causality" is a lie.)

Bottom line we all must accept global warming as due to our SUVs and
power
plants or these guys will call us nasty names!

Brrrrr! I'm shaking in my boots!

This is all identical to the "gun control" debate where firearm ownership
is tied by the propagandists to higher crime rates. Too bad all
scientific studies including the ones mandated by Congress and done by
the
CDC found NO such connections.

So what am I getting at here? These issues are NOT what I'm talking
about. I"m not trying to forward a political agenda here, save ONE: To
take the POLITICS out of Science!

Science, it seems has developed a certain amount of well-deserved
credibility in the public perception. So it isn't surprising that those
with a political agenda would try to USE that public credibility to
further their political agendas. What I'm saying here is that we
scientists, need to stand up and speak out. No, not take sides in the
debate lies. And certainly not to join all the noise of name-calling and
"proofs by assertion" that characterize political "debates".

No! We need to squawk loud and often about this SUBVERSION of the
integrity of Science by political agendas. When lies are all over the
media being held up as "science" someone needs to point it out and when
prizes are given for bogus research they need to be taken back and the
schools embarrassed! In short all this MISUSE of OUR science for
political
purpose needs to stop and it's only going to stop if WE start speaking
out
instead of going along with those pretending there is a "scientific"
debate where there actually is none!


You are spot on. Get a good newsreader and join the fray. We need more
people with science backgrounds.


What's his science background?


 




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