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Why Colonize Space?
Giga" "Giga wrote
Rod Speed wrote Giga" "Giga wrote Immortalista wrote Today I was reading some opinions of people who believe that there is no reason for humans to leave earth. Are all arguments for moving into space and onto other bodies in space really that weak and irrelevant? To say on the one hand that there is no reason and on the other 'it is too expensive' is a kind of a contradiction. Nope, the original is just a loose form of saying that there is CURRENTLY no reason for humans to colonise space. I presume by emphasising 'currently' you mean there might be in the future, Yes, I'm not silly enough to dismiss that possibility completely. or perhaps there will be. Nope. I suppose if you are already living the good life then why bother, but billions of people are not. But its MUCH cheaper to improve their life significantly here on earth than it is to give them a better life on mars or the moon etc. This means that if it was a lot cheaper then it would be justified, Not necessarily, most obviously if no one is interested in being colonists etc. I think many people would be interested, me for one, I bet you wouldnt when it came to the crunch and your nose was rubbed in the downsides. but I doubt that I would be chosen. Dunno, someone may want to get rid of you. and that means there must be some reason for doing it, and the persons putting forward such an argument obviously recognise that. Utterly mangled all over again. So you do not recognise any value human beings exploring space with manned craft? No, compare with the much cheaper and more viable alternative of exploring space with unmanned craft. That would be an extreme and difficult to justify position. Wrong, as always. Completely trivial on cost alone in fact. So if it just a question of allocation of resources, It isnt. rather than fundamental value of the enterprise, then fine, it should recognised as a financial discussion, not really a philosophical one. No one ever said it was a philosophical one. |
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On Jul 20, 8:51*pm, "Giga" "Giga" just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
wrote: I'm sure there are other sheilding methods than just great big lumps of lead. Surely one can generate something of a magnetic field around the spaceship (loads of free electricity after all). Not all forms of radiation consist of electrically charged particles. John Savard |
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On Jul 20, 5:47*pm, Immortalista wrote:
Today I was reading some opinions of people who believe that there is no reason for humans to leave earth. Are all arguments for moving into space and onto other bodies in space really that weak and irrelevant? ....only to weak and irrelevant people. George Mallory (1886-1924), in answer to the question 'Why do you want to climb Mt. Everest ?', answered "Because it is there." The development of humanity as a species is based largely on the development of individuals. This development occurs because of people who try to do things that haven't been done before. Granted there are people who are too timid to try anything new. They are usually adept at making excuses for their lack of temerity. I am surrounded here in Richmond, VA by people who have never even traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace - people who still live in the home their parents lived in when they were born. I do not consider them my intellectual or cultural peers. Tom Davidson Richmond, VA |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:12:12 -0700 (PDT), tadchem
wrote: On Jul 20, 5:47*pm, Immortalista wrote: Today I was reading some opinions of people who believe that there is no reason for humans to leave earth. Are all arguments for moving into space and onto other bodies in space really that weak and irrelevant? ...only to weak and irrelevant people. George Mallory (1886-1924), in answer to the question 'Why do you want to climb Mt. Everest ?', answered "Because it is there." How many people make the summit of Mt. Everest their domicile? |
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Pat Flannery writes:
Puppet_Sock wrote: Oh, by the way. Space is already making huge stacks of money for those participating. Space has been a net profit for some considerable time now. There are these things called weather satts, telecom satts, GPS, and others. They are already producing more revenue than is spent on space, by a lot. So you can just go turn in your GPS, your cell phone, your internet connection, your weather reports, etc. You've confused "space" with "manned space" The only ones that have made a buck off of manned space are the Russians with their space tourist program. And you notice that they just take one tourist along on a already planned trip to the ISS, and haven't started to send up Soyuz flights with all-tourist crews, or build a space station just for tourist use. Pat http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/ |
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"David Johnston" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:12:12 -0700 (PDT), tadchem wrote: On Jul 20, 5:47 pm, Immortalista wrote: Today I was reading some opinions of people who believe that there is no reason for humans to leave earth. Are all arguments for moving into space and onto other bodies in space really that weak and irrelevant? ...only to weak and irrelevant people. George Mallory (1886-1924), in answer to the question 'Why do you want to climb Mt. Everest ?', answered "Because it is there." How many people make the summit of Mt. Everest their domicile? None. How many weak-minded and irrelevant idiots like you ask stooopid questions? *plonk* Do not reply to this generic message, it was automatically generated; you have been kill-filed, either for being boringly stupid, repetitive, unfunny, ineducable, repeatedly posting politics, religion or off-topic subjects to a sci. newsgroup, attempting cheapskate free advertising for profit, because you are a troll, simply insane or any combination or permutation of the aforementioned reasons; any reply will go unread. Boringly stupid is the most common cause of kill-filing, but because this message is generic the other reasons have been included. You are left to decide which is most applicable to you. There is no appeal, I have despotic power over whom I will electronically admit into my home and you do not qualify as a reasonable person I would wish to converse with or even poke fun at. Some weirdoes are not kill- filed, they amuse me and I retain them for their entertainment value as I would any chicken with two heads, either one of which enables the dumb bird to scratch dirt, step back, look down, step forward to the same spot and repeat the process eternally. This should not trouble you, many of those plonked find it a blessing that they are not required to think and can persist in their bigotry or crackpot theories without challenge. You have the right to free speech, I have the right not to listen. The kill-file will be cleared annually with spring cleaning or whenever I purchase a new computer or hard drive. I hope you find this explanation is satisfactory but even if you don't, damnly my frank, I don't give a dear. Have a nice day. |
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In sci.physics tadchem wrote:
On Jul 20, 5:47Â*pm, Immortalista wrote: Today I was reading some opinions of people who believe that there is no reason for humans to leave earth. Are all arguments for moving into space and onto other bodies in space really that weak and irrelevant? ...only to weak and irrelevant people. George Mallory (1886-1924), in answer to the question 'Why do you want to climb Mt. Everest ?', answered "Because it is there." Mallory didn't operate on taxpayer money and there are no colonies on Mt. Everest. The reasons for going to Everest were the same as the US going to the Moon; political pride. The development of humanity as a species is based largely on the development of individuals. This development occurs because of people who try to do things that haven't been done before. Granted there are people who are too timid to try anything new. They are usually adept at making excuses for their lack of temerity. I am surrounded here in Richmond, VA by people who have never even traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace - people who still live in the home their parents lived in when they were born. I do not consider them my intellectual or cultural peers. Tom Davidson Richmond, VA So if one of those people decides to expand their horizons with a trip to space, are you going to front them the $20-28 million? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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tadchem wrote
Immortalista wrote Today I was reading some opinions of people who believe that there is no reason for humans to leave earth. Are all arguments for moving into space and onto other bodies in space really that weak and irrelevant? ...only to weak and irrelevant people. We'll see... George Mallory (1886-1924), in answer to the question 'Why do you want to climb Mt. Everest ?', answered "Because it is there." You're welcome to **** off into space any time you like. I wont be paying an immense amount of money for you to do that tho. The development of humanity as a species is based largely on the development of individuals. Complete and utter mindlessly silly drivel. This development occurs because of people who try to do things that haven't been done before. Quite a bit of the time it aint. Granted there are people who are too timid to try anything new. And plenty with enough of a clue to be able to grasp that there are plenty of much better things to spend that immense amount of money on too. They are usually adept at making excuses for their lack of temerity. And plenty dont need any excuse to no **** that sort of money against the wall. I am surrounded here in Richmond, VA by people who have never even traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace - people who still live in the home their parents lived in when they were born. Your problem. I do not consider them my intellectual or cultural peers. Your problem. |
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