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'Negative energy' (Was 'the aether and...)
..the nature of "negative time" could hypothetically embody the fastest (and shortest wavelenght) state, don't you think so? C. Nah, dunno what you mean by "negative time". The term "negative energy" was only used as an expedient, taking Dirac's use of the term and applying it to the domain below the Planck baseline. In reality it is no more "negative" than the high octaves of a piano keyboard are "negative" to the lowest octave. It's all one unbroken continuum. That lowest octave, in terms of energy density, represents the material universe, its Table of Elements, and its thermodynamics. Whereas the ascending octaves represent the sub-Planck domain and its ascending levels of energy density. Consider this statement: There is NO PERCEPTIBLE UPPER LIMIT TO THE AMPLITUDE OF ENERGY TRANSMISSIBLE BY EM RADIATION. What does this say about the energy density of the carrier medium? oc |
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What does this say about the energy density of the carrier medium? oc Tell me. C. It demands a carrier medium of even greater energy density than the most energetic EM wave it supports. Furthermore, since the heaviest element embodies the highest energy concentration on 'this side' of the Planck length (per the expression E=mc^2), the supporting medium _must_ possess an energy density even greater than the heaviest element of matter. I wasn't talking about "energy" but of a "backward flow" of "time". Like what we see in an electric current ... form - to + and from + to - Two directions of flow, ergo two arrows of time. Well, this business of the "arrow of time" is a sidebar of describing time as a "dimension". Instead, try thinking of time as a PROCESS.. a process of recurring cycles and periodicities. It only goes one way, and that's 'forward'--. oc |
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From Mr. Bohne:
Obviously "empty space" does the trick:-) Yeah :-) Yup .. it even produces ""virtual"" particles at every possible "point" Yeah, they pop into and out of existance like gas bubbles in the ocean coming out of solution, then dissolving back into the ocean from which they sprang. They pop "into being", then pop back to "not being". Yet the Ocean is unperturbed. It .. must possess a lot of energy, yes. However, on the "surface" it cancels everything out to {almost} "zero"... The "surface" or Planck limit appears smooth and unrippled, which has led our sense-based logic to interpret space as a "void" and treat it as a void. Because its constituent wavelengths or 'granularity' lie below resolution, we've remained oblivious to the enormous energy locked within it. And the void-space paradijjm marches on, undaunted :-) oc |
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From Mr. Bohne:
All those trillions of stars are just a little disturbance of that bloc of energy that we use to call "empty space",. Moreover, each star is an incandescing 'sink point' of the hyperpressurized medium venting back to its 'ground state' in the process of gravitation. Every walk under the stars is truly a brand new, soaring epiphany of reverance for nature and the cosmos, when you KNOW that space is the farthest thing from being a "void". It's a 'natural high' that never grows old. The same thing with every walk in the sun. It's literally life transforming. oc |
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nightbat wrote
Bill Sheppard wrote: What does this say about the energy density of the carrier medium? oc Tell me. C. It demands a carrier medium of even greater energy density than the most energetic EM wave it supports. Furthermore, since the heaviest element embodies the highest energy concentration on 'this side' of the Planck length (per the expression E=mc^2), the supporting medium _must_ possess an energy density even greater than the heaviest element of matter. I wasn't talking about "energy" but of a "backward flow" of "time". Like what we see in an electric current ... form - to + and from + to - Two directions of flow, ergo two arrows of time. Well, this business of the "arrow of time" is a sidebar of describing time as a "dimension". Instead, try thinking of time as a PROCESS.. a process of recurring cycles and periodicities. It only goes one way, and that's 'forward'--. oc nightbat There is your physics train wreck oh noble one! Where the mathematical theoretical alignment was made of so called empty space with understood separate dimension time and enjoined as one continuum embellishment. Only a true science esteemed Maverick would utter such rebelish words without pretense for neither here nor there is it true fundamental understanding but only blindly accepted mainstream affirmation to the negative. For the space is but immense quantum energy based and time but a figment of human observation process not intrinsic to that being 1st cause elusively deduced and presently held as nil. Carry on Officer oc, carry on. the nightbat |
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nightbat wrote
"Charles D. Bohne" wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:06:28 -0700, (Bill Sheppard) wrote: What does this say about the energy density of the carrier medium? It demands a carrier medium of even greater energy density than the most energetic EM wave it supports. Obviously "empty space" does the trick :-) Furthermore, since the heaviest element embodies the highest energy concentration on 'this side' of the Planck length (per the expression E=mc^2), the supporting medium _must_ possess an energy density even greater than the heaviest element of matter. Yup .. it even produces ""virtual"" particles at every possible "point" .. must possess a lot of energy, yes. However, on the "surface" it cancels everything out to {almost} "zero"... C. nightbat Correct Officer Bohne, that's the immense quantum base field always attempting return to equilibrium or ground uniform momentum energy. carry on, the nightbat |
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From Nightbat:
..that's the immense quantum base field always attempting return to equilibrium or ground uniform momentum energy. You've uttered that phrase many, many times, Night. I would like to proffer a translation, thus: The _hyperpressurized_ spatial medium is always seeking a return pathway to its lowest-pressure 'ground state', which it does thru the process of gravitation. oc |
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From Nightbat:
For.. space is but immense quantum energy based and time but a figment of human observation process.. Correct, Night. "Time" is but our observation of regularly-recurrent cycles and periodicities in nature. It's a *process*. The 'tick of time', or clock rate can vary wildly in our experience of it, as in "time flies when you're havin' fun." But then it drags with glacial slowness when we have to sit thru some boring lecture or sermon. However, as a basic tenet of SR, the clock rate *does* vary as observed from one inertial frame to another, i.e., time dilation. But to classify the clock rate as a "dimension" is a bit of a crock. oc |
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HiC Best to keep in mind that it was negative energy that created all
that is. Bert |
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How about "zero energy with infinite potential" ;-) ? C. Hey neat-o description of the sub-Planck domain. How about "Field of zero-appearing energy with apparently limitless potential"? And besides its state of hyperpressurization, don't forget another primary characteristic: hyperfluidity, which underlies and fixes the laws of inertia and momentum. oc |
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