Huge Sunspots

Some fear monger wrote:

That's not true. These are unusually big sunspots. And as I stated
'if increased several fold' then there would be cause for concern.

Obviously you have little experience with observing sunspots. There are a
number of groups in observational history which are on the same order of size
as the ones currently active.

Utter blustery nonsense.

Yup, that is what you are spouting "Chuckie". Another entry for the killfile.


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You did nothing of the kind. Why lie? ......
CCRyder

Of course I didn't!
But I have enough respect for the readers of this newsgroup to believe that
most (if not, alas, all) of them are perfectly capable
of distinguishing between a little lighthearted banter (such as my comment)
and a serious contribution (such as that of Mr Ryder)

You did nothing of the kind. Why lie? ......
CCRyder

Of course I didn't!
But I have enough respect for the readers of this newsgroup to believe that
most (if not, alas, all) of them are perfectly capable
of distinguishing between a little lighthearted banter (such as my comment)
and a serious contribution (such as that of Mr Ryder)

"CC" wrote in message
...
In article 1067106892.689938@cache2, David Knisely
wrote:

Somebody posted:

The kind of activity going on is precisely the kind of activity that
if
increased several fold could easily trigger the onset of a rapid
magnetic pole reversal sequence for the Earth.

Wrong. This kind of activity has been happening for centuries.

That's not true. These are unusually big sunspots. And as I stated
'if increased several fold' then there would be cause for concern.

It has little if any effect on the internally-generated portion of the
Earth's magnetic field. A strong geomagnetic storm will cause
variations in the measured strength of the field up here, but down
inside the Earth, the effects of the storm will be negligable.

Utter blustery nonsense. In fact, the dynamics of the generation of
the Earth's magnetic field is not known by the general community of
geophysicists. Even less is known about the processes which cause a
dipole reversal sequence to begin to take place. For you to stand
forth and pontificate otherwise is dishonest as well as irresponsible.
I've spent years studying the physics of flux loop structures, the
mechanism for their generation and have discovered the mechanism for
the mode change of one type of flux loop into the other. You don't see
the danger because you haven't a clue as to the underlying physics.
The reality is that several violent solar flares in rapid succession,
perhaps coupled with the impact upon the Earth's primary
electromagnetotoroid of a squarely aimed Coronal Mass Ejection, could,
in fact, stimulate the Earth's EMT into undergoing a fairly rapid mode
change. That you remain ignorant of the basic physics of flux loop
systems is quite understandable but that you pretend to an
understanding of the Earth's magnetic field so as to attempt to assure
people that there's nothing to worry about is beyond rational
comprehension. You assume that this just an opportunity for you to
start a ****ing contest, Knisely. In fact, it should be an opportunity
for you to learn something. But then how is it that you could learn
anything when you have given the impression that you already know
everything?

Of course, I'm Charles Cagle. Changing my email address was an attempt
to shed myself of spam, not an attempt at disguising my identity.

CCRyder


Mankind must be prepared to face the horror story of all of the
violent
and rapid geological changes which must ensue as a function of a mode
change of the Earth's Electromagnetotoroid (EMT) from the large scale
E
loop mode which displays the features of a magnetic dipole to the H
loop mode which will display the features of a large scale electric
dipole.

Ah, yes, another fear monger (you wouldn't be related to a certain
"Cagle" now
would you?).

Fear monger? I'm not selling it. People should be concerned with the
greatly devastating geological changes which will accompany a mode
change of the Earth's EMT.

There are perhaps a billion or more Christians in the world and the
prophecies of Christ (and Isaiah and others) as to the coming
devastation of the Day of Wrath are or should be of immediate concern
to many of them. Clearly predicted is a violent solar maximum, solar
scorching of the Earth's surface, giant Earthquakes, Tsunamis, the
rapid descent of whole mountain chains, the rapid rise of other new
mountain systems. In fact, the violence of these coming events will
probably kill two thirds of mankind. If people can take some
preparatory action that might enhance their chances for survival then
you shouldn't try to thwart any warning that is given to them.

Of course, you don't believe that you will be held responsible for any
of your actions, but nevertheless you will be. Hold your peace, David,
and make things easier on yourself.

CCRyder


'to email replace the 'y' with an 'i' in Ryder.

this is much too coincidental to discount.

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to
its present "normal state".

"CC" wrote in message
...
In article 1067106892.689938@cache2, David Knisely
wrote:

Somebody posted:

The kind of activity going on is precisely the kind of activity that
if
increased several fold could easily trigger the onset of a rapid
magnetic pole reversal sequence for the Earth.

Wrong. This kind of activity has been happening for centuries.

That's not true. These are unusually big sunspots. And as I stated
'if increased several fold' then there would be cause for concern.

It has little if any effect on the internally-generated portion of the
Earth's magnetic field. A strong geomagnetic storm will cause
variations in the measured strength of the field up here, but down
inside the Earth, the effects of the storm will be negligable.

Utter blustery nonsense. In fact, the dynamics of the generation of
the Earth's magnetic field is not known by the general community of
geophysicists. Even less is known about the processes which cause a
dipole reversal sequence to begin to take place. For you to stand
forth and pontificate otherwise is dishonest as well as irresponsible.
I've spent years studying the physics of flux loop structures, the
mechanism for their generation and have discovered the mechanism for
the mode change of one type of flux loop into the other. You don't see
the danger because you haven't a clue as to the underlying physics.
The reality is that several violent solar flares in rapid succession,
perhaps coupled with the impact upon the Earth's primary
electromagnetotoroid of a squarely aimed Coronal Mass Ejection, could,
in fact, stimulate the Earth's EMT into undergoing a fairly rapid mode
change. That you remain ignorant of the basic physics of flux loop
systems is quite understandable but that you pretend to an
understanding of the Earth's magnetic field so as to attempt to assure
people that there's nothing to worry about is beyond rational
comprehension. You assume that this just an opportunity for you to
start a ****ing contest, Knisely. In fact, it should be an opportunity
for you to learn something. But then how is it that you could learn
anything when you have given the impression that you already know
everything?

Of course, I'm Charles Cagle. Changing my email address was an attempt
to shed myself of spam, not an attempt at disguising my identity.

CCRyder


Mankind must be prepared to face the horror story of all of the
violent
and rapid geological changes which must ensue as a function of a mode
change of the Earth's Electromagnetotoroid (EMT) from the large scale
E
loop mode which displays the features of a magnetic dipole to the H
loop mode which will display the features of a large scale electric
dipole.

Ah, yes, another fear monger (you wouldn't be related to a certain
"Cagle" now
would you?).

Fear monger? I'm not selling it. People should be concerned with the
greatly devastating geological changes which will accompany a mode
change of the Earth's EMT.

There are perhaps a billion or more Christians in the world and the
prophecies of Christ (and Isaiah and others) as to the coming
devastation of the Day of Wrath are or should be of immediate concern
to many of them. Clearly predicted is a violent solar maximum, solar
scorching of the Earth's surface, giant Earthquakes, Tsunamis, the
rapid descent of whole mountain chains, the rapid rise of other new
mountain systems. In fact, the violence of these coming events will
probably kill two thirds of mankind. If people can take some
preparatory action that might enhance their chances for survival then
you shouldn't try to thwart any warning that is given to them.

Of course, you don't believe that you will be held responsible for any
of your actions, but nevertheless you will be. Hold your peace, David,
and make things easier on yourself.

CCRyder


'to email replace the 'y' with an 'i' in Ryder.

this is much too coincidental to discount.

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to
its present "normal state".

this is much too coincidental to discount.


http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes -
Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central
portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During
that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once
every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to
its present "normal state".


http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...1.jpl.nasa.gov

Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most
massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its
intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in
the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again.

In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and
other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of
September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years
ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had
just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United
States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous
fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more
closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were
documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar
effects at the South Pole.

this is much too coincidental to discount.


http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes -
Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central
portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During
that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once
every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to
its present "normal state".


http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...1.jpl.nasa.gov

Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most
massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its
intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in
the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again.

In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and
other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of
September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years
ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had
just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United
States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous
fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more
closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were
documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar
effects at the South Pole.

wrote in message
...


this is much too coincidental to discount.



http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes -
Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies
volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption
spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central
portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The
magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers,
hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged
mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During
that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once
every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state
to
its present "normal state".



http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...1.jpl.nasa.gov

Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most
massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its
intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in
the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again.

In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and
other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of
September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years
ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had
just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United
States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous
fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more
closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were
documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar
effects at the South Pole.


what obits the sun in 5 or 6 days?

http://150.144.30.101/data/LATEST/current_c2.mpg

wrote in message
...


this is much too coincidental to discount.



http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes -
Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies
volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption
spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central
portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The
magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers,
hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged
mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During
that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once
every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state
to
its present "normal state".



http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...1.jpl.nasa.gov

Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most
massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its
intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in
the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again.

In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and
other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of
September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years
ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had
just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United
States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous
fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more
closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were
documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar
effects at the South Pole.


what obits the sun in 5 or 6 days?

http://150.144.30.101/data/LATEST/current_c2.mpg

In article ,
wrote:

this is much too coincidental to discount.


http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes -
Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central
portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During
that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once
every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to
its present "normal state".



http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...newwindow=1&gr
oup=sci.space.science&safe=off&selm=bn8vvc%242g5%2 41%40nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov

Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most
massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its
intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in
the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again.

In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and
other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of
September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years
ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had
just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United
States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous
fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more
closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were
documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar
effects at the South Pole.

And I'm suggesting an event an order of magnitude greater. I'm
suggesting that the Earth's EMT (electromagnetotoroid) could be
stimulated into a mode change and that the effects of such a mode
change (from E loop structure to H loop structure) are loss of magnetic
field source, mass generation, planetary expansion, the effects of
worldwide tensional tectonics which include the rapid subsidence of
entire mountain chains, island chains, the rapid rise of new mountain
systems, gigantic earthquakes, tsunamis, and sporodic hard radiation
showers from solar flares and the impact of Coronal Mass Ejections upon
the planet when not protected by a dipole magnetic field.

There's a growing number of people (geologists, mostly) who have been
introduced to the idea of an expanding earth in the last few years.
While most individuals who support earth expansion related geological
processes are at disagreement as to the cause or physics behind
expansion they are, in most cases, in agreement that Earth expansion is
a reality.

CCRyder

'email by swapping an 'i' for the 'y' in CCRyder.'