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What to do with the moon?
I think our moon is the ideal test bed for robotic exploration. Its
close by, water is of great interest. We could invest boatloads of bucks in unmanned exploration while setting up a fuel plant and moonbase for eventual manned operations. robots would be easy to control, tiny time delay! The robotics could easily be controlled from earth in colleges and universities worldwide This money and excitement could make the US a world leader in robotics if its done right.... perhaps get robotics advanced enough to be home helpers and hazardous workers in places like mines, thus saving human lives! Require any spin offs to pay royalties, which would get reinvested in space exploration! The money spent could re employ the shuttle workers losing their jobs. A WIN WIN for EVERYONE! |
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On Oct 24, 6:16*pm, " wrote:
I think our moon is the ideal test bed for robotic exploration. Its close by, water is of great interest. We could invest boatloads of bucks in unmanned exploration while setting up a fuel plant and moonbase for eventual manned operations. robots would be easy to control, tiny time delay! The robotics could easily be controlled from earth in colleges and universities worldwide This money and excitement could make the US a world leader in robotics if its done right.... perhaps get robotics advanced enough to be home helpers and hazardous workers in places like mines, thus saving human lives! Require any spin offs to pay royalties, which would get reinvested in space exploration! The money spent could re employ the shuttle workers losing their jobs. A WIN WIN for EVERYONE! Make it a 50/50 public/private owned investment, and you got a win-win done deal. ~ BG |
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On 25 Oct, 02:16, " wrote:
I think our moon is the ideal test bed for robotic exploration. Its close by, water is of great interest. We could invest boatloads of bucks in unmanned exploration while setting up a fuel plant and moonbase for eventual manned operations. robots would be easy to control, tiny time delay! The robotics could easily be controlled from earth in colleges and universities worldwide This money and excitement could make the US a world leader in robotics if its done right.... perhaps get robotics advanced enough to be home helpers and hazardous workers in places like mines, thus saving human lives! Require any spin offs to pay royalties, which would get reinvested in space exploration! The money spent could re employ the shuttle workers losing their jobs. A WIN WIN for EVERYONE! Yes, this is one idea that as I put it won't cost the Earth. Brad suggests 50/50 pubic private finance. In fact given some public money - it need not be very much I think a lot of private investment would follow. The public money would go to providing some subsidy for transportation to the Moon. Let Google, Microsoft etc. go to the Moon at no more than marginal cost. Private companies would be in charge of building the robots. Google would love to offer you a robot - Moon tested - Will withstand a hard vacuum, will work between -80 and +120C minimal maintainance. I mentioned that a true Tea Party supporter would raise money to go to Mars from public subscription. I think we could get the major computer hardware companies signing up for the Moon. Asteroids offer an alternative destination. If anyone wanted to go to Vesta the same conditions would apply. BTW - Google is cash rich. - Ian Parker |
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On Oct 25, 9:11*am, LSMFT wrote:
wrote: I think our moon is the ideal test bed for robotic exploration. Its close by, water is of great interest. We could invest boatloads of bucks in unmanned exploration while setting up a fuel plant and moonbase for eventual manned operations. robots would be easy to control, tiny time delay! The robotics could easily be controlled from earth in colleges and universities worldwide This money and excitement could make the US a world leader in robotics if its done right.... perhaps get robotics advanced enough to be home helpers and hazardous workers in places like mines, thus saving human lives! Require any spin offs to pay royalties, which would get reinvested in space exploration! The money spent could re employ the shuttle workers losing their jobs. A WIN WIN for EVERYONE! We don't have a moon base yet? When we gonna stop dragging our asses along the ground like a dog with worms? We should already have a Cape Canaveral on the Moon and building spacecraft there because it's easy to launch from there. We should be mining the moon, asteroids and exploring the outer planet moons and sending light speed probes to other galaxies not to mention exploring the Milky way. We must get these monkey brain politicians out of the government. -- LSMFT Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist. Wormy dog asses is a good DARPA/NASA analogy. Perhaps it's because they haven't actually accomplished what they claim, and otherwise because that physically dark moon of ours is actually none too human friendly. ~ BG |
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What to do with the moon?
On Oct 25, 12:20*pm, Ian Parker wrote:
On 25 Oct, 02:16, " wrote: I think our moon is the ideal test bed for robotic exploration. Its close by, water is of great interest. We could invest boatloads of bucks in unmanned exploration while setting up a fuel plant and moonbase for eventual manned operations. robots would be easy to control, tiny time delay! The robotics could easily be controlled from earth in colleges and universities worldwide This money and excitement could make the US a world leader in robotics if its done right.... perhaps get robotics advanced enough to be home helpers and hazardous workers in places like mines, thus saving human lives! Require any spin offs to pay royalties, which would get reinvested in space exploration! The money spent could re employ the shuttle workers losing their jobs. A WIN WIN for EVERYONE! Yes, this is one idea that as I put it won't cost the Earth. Brad suggests 50/50 pubic private finance. In fact given some public money - it need not be very much I think a lot of private investment would follow. The public money would go to providing some subsidy for transportation to the Moon. Let Google, Microsoft etc. go to the Moon at no more than marginal cost. Private companies would be in charge of building the robots. Google would love to offer you a robot - Moon tested - Will withstand a hard vacuum, will work between -80 and +120C minimal maintainance. And rad-hard to boot. btw, it gets much colder than -80C within them polar craters, as well as hotter in the sun due to the 1225 w/m2 of secondary/recoil photons (mostly IR) that adds to the solar influx of 1370 w/m2. I mentioned that a true Tea Party supporter would raise money to go to Mars from public subscription. I think we could get the major computer hardware companies signing up for the Moon. Asteroids offer an alternative destination. If anyone wanted to go to Vesta the same conditions would apply. BTW - Google is cash rich. * - Ian Parker |
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On Oct 24, 6:16*pm, " wrote:
I think our moon is the ideal test bed for robotic exploration. Its close by, water is of great interest. We could invest boatloads of bucks in unmanned exploration while setting up a fuel plant and moonbase for eventual manned operations. robots would be easy to control, tiny time delay! The robotics could easily be controlled from earth in colleges and universities worldwide This money and excitement could make the US a world leader in robotics if its done right.... perhaps get robotics advanced enough to be home helpers and hazardous workers in places like mines, thus saving human lives! Require any spin offs to pay royalties, which would get reinvested in space exploration! The money spent could re employ the shuttle workers losing their jobs. A WIN WIN for EVERYONE! Yes, by all means let us continually employ those that have no real job skills, other than to follow instructions like public owned borg androids that are not allowed to think on their own, much less look critically at whatever anyone else is doing. After all, the real cost for such employees (with all benefits and other related factors cranked in) is perhaps only costing us on average $250,000/year, each. According to all things via DARPA and NASA/Apollo, our moon is relatively passive and kinda harmless, even sort of inert because nothing even reacts to the UV spectrum (of which our naked moon gets a lot of raw UV as well as fully exposed to cosmic gamma and loads of solar X-rays). Apparently it doesn’t hardly get very hot while fully solar illuminated, or even all that solar/cosmic radiated, not even the least bit nasty when caught within a direct CME flow or that of the highly charged magneto-tail of Earth. There’s supposedly only a little bit of surface electrostatic differential at the terminator that manages to levitate the local dust 100 km (including hot sodium that goes out to 9r as well as having a comet like tail of sodium that’s only 900,000 km long), and most everywhere there’s hardly all that much lose composite rock or dust (less than 0.1% of what you’d think should be there), and what little dust there is clumps better than similar dust here on Earth. Even though our moon that’s on average nearly dark as coal and looks entirely monochromatic to us, meaning colorless as looking nearly white or pastel gray from here on Earth, whereas directly from the lunar surface its monochromatic average albedo was extensively recorded on unfiltered Kodak film as more like 0.66 (roughly 6 times albedo reflective as otherwise viewed from Earth), and there’s absolutely no significant minerals as anything natural or even artificial of Apollo ultra-white that reacts to all that available UV, or otherwise having to reflect any of our extremely bluish planetshine that only gets 40 times as vibrant as moon light here on Earth. (somehow the violet and blue spectrum is filtered so nicely that cameras need not bother with any spectrum cutoff or narrow bandpass filters), as well as artificial shadow fill-in lighting doesn’t need to be utilized because it’s exactly as though xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated with sufficient bounced/reflected fill-in, and even though the one primary illumination is essentially a singular spot-source that’s about as contrasty as you’re ever going to get, doesn’t seem to matter. In other words, even lunar nighttime with such terrific bluish planetshine to work with, as such offers roughly a third as bright as daytime illumination (less as perceived to the human eye because there’s mostly the blue spectrum that’s missing a great deal of red, green and yellow). According to the most recent reports (again via public funded research), our moon offers considerable tonnage of raw ice that’s just sitting there in them 38K cryogenic polar craters. Odd that no H, H2, O or O2 was ever directly detected, but then nothing about our naked moon plays by the same physics rules as here on Earth. Therefore a 50/50 funded private/public owned moon base and all the related fly-by-rocket transports should become a done deal, because all that’s needed is to basically scale up those 100% proven Apollo missions, and William Mook already knows how to get 500 tonnes into lunar orbit at near 10% the cost of anything proposed by our DARPA and NASA. This 50/50 investment also opens up many of those need-to-know or nondisclosure files pertaining to mission critical R&D, plus disclosing many other secrets of developed technology that have also been all public funded to begin with. Obviously terrestrial logistics is all bought and paid for (many times over) as is, unless our DARPA and NASA have secretly taken out second and third mortgages with some private Chinese bank or investment group that can’t be disclosed without dire consequences. ~ BG |
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What to do with the moon?
On Oct 25, 5:50*pm, Dan Birchall
wrote: (Ian Parker) wrote: *Yes, this is one idea that as I put it won't cost the Earth. Brad *suggests 50/50 pubic private finance. In fact given some public money *- it need not be very much I think a lot of private investment would *follow. I think this is an excellent idea - partly because there are already plenty of people thinking along these lines. Google, for example, is doing the *Lunar X Prize[1] - $30 million for the first privately-funded team to send a robot to the moon, travel 500 meters and transmit video, images and data back to the Earth. And the JUSTSAP-funded PISCES project in Hawaii has a "Lunar Analog Test Site" which has twice hosted rover prototypes to test technologies for use on the moon[2]. I'm sure there are plenty more that I'm forgetting! [1]http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/ [2]http://pisces.hilo.hawaii.edu/index.php?id=3 -- djb@ | Dan Birchall - Observation System Associate - Subaru Telescope. naoj | Views I express are my own, certainly not those of my employer. .org | Oh wicked, bad, naughty, _evil_ Dan! *He is a _naughty_ person. Google could go for $300 million without a second thought. Micro thrusters, tough/reliable electro-mechanicals and rad-hard micro electronics that are extremely energy efficient should make it very doable for a robotic lander and crawler to soft-land and trek through that dust for at least a km. ~ BG |
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What to do with the moon?
Get rid of it. The damned thing causes tides.
Sylvia. |
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