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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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You've got to appreciate the Dollar Store's three-pronged approach to
beating WalMart though:
1. Undercut WalMart's prices.
2. Undercut WalMart's quality.
3. Use only suppliers that have been rejected by Walmart for fear of
lawsuits.

Shhh! That's a state secret!

"Andrew Gray" wrote in message
. ..
The leverage to *get* an acceptable contract is what I suspect Ami is
referring to

The error is in assuming leverage on an individual basis- the *market* has
leverage. If a business can fill a position for less than what you are
willing to accept, then clearly what you want is more than what the market
is willing to pay. If *nobody* was willing to work for what was offered,
then the employer would have to either raise the ante or live without the
labor. If there is someone more desperate or willing than you, then *you*
need to reconsider your position.

A union isn't needed, just mutual cooperation. Why shouldn't an employer
take advantage of the employee pool capacity for greed and self-interest?

Your labor isn't worth what you think it is- it's worth what the market will
pay.

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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I
still think this is an odd way to fish, but using thermite to boil a
pond full of ducks is a little odd also, but at least does not lack in
imagination.

Depends on how hungry you are. I don't really care about fishing, so if I
was hungry, and had one available, I'd consider dropping a grenade.

Sure, there's not much sport in it, but the goal isn't to enjoy sport, it's
to eat.

Andrew Gray ) wrote:
: On 2005-03-16, Eric Chomko wrote:
:
: MOSSAD, SAVAK, or MI5, or is it MI6? I always get those two confused.

: MI5 - the Security Service - is internal security; MI6 - the Secret
: Intelligence Service - is espionage and related "external security". MI5
: also has the counter-terrorism remit, and in the last ten years has
: been tasked with some serious-crime work. MI6 contains the remnants of
: the SOE, roughly the equivalent of the OSS.

: The MI numbers date back to WWI/II; the current forms come from postwar,
: when all the other MI- departments were abolished. (It stood for
: "Military Intelligence", with an impressive array of groups - MI9
: specialised in POW escapes, for example).

: Other organisations, if memory serves, are GCHQ - the signals-intercept
: people - and the Defence Intelligence Staff, which is pretty much what
: it sounds like it is. There's also the various police forces' Special
: Branches (most famously that of the Metropolitan Police), which have a
: quasi-intelligence role in some contexts.

: There, that ought to thoroughly confuse you...

Actually, no. Thanks for the overview, it cleared up my confusion. The
bigger then number the further away (external = 6).

I guess a rough US equivalent is:

MI5 = FBI
MI6 = CIA.

At least their domains, though the FBI is both domestic and abroad where
the CIA (so we are told anyway) is strictly foriegn.

Eric

: --
: -Andrew Gray
:

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:27:54 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
: Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
: such a way as to indicate that:

: Of course, making fun of Eric is like shooting piscine prey in a
: barrel. On the other hand, the fact that they're in a barrel doesn't
: mean that the fish shouldn't be shot.
:
:
:
: It's going create quite a lot of splashed water though, isn't it?

: Depends on calibre and muzzle velocity. With fish like Eric, though,
: a shotgun is adequate, and one shot will do ya.

You'd probably miss with a shotgun as well. And I wouldn't advise shooting
a shotgun into a barrel. But that's just me.

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : So, the govt. stepping in with minimum wage was a lousy idea, right?
:
: : Yes.
:
: You obviously think you'd be on the side of the bourgeoisie rather than
: the proletariat, inherently. I think we are sort of getting to the root of
: your personality with this. You think you have more class than you do!

: I'm not a Marxist, Eric. Class warfare is so nineteenth century.

Perhaps, but you do hold yourself in a position of higher class which is
really un-American. And I have no idea why you do that.

: : Are
: : you aware that we used to have sweat shops like third world countries do
: : now?
:
: : Yes.
:
: Perhaps your grandmother owned the one that my grandmother worked in?

: It seems exceedingly unlikely.

: : We now have welfare for those who can't earn enough in the free
: : market.
:
: Which isn't the same as minimum wage. I'd rather see someone making
: minimum wage rather than be on welfare.

: Minimum wage is a form of welfare, where the money is taken from
: employers rather than taxpayers. Except most employers refuse to pay
: it, instead simply automating and letting jobs go undone. And people
: go unemployed.

And the basis of that comment is? Do you have a reference that employers
refuse to pay minimum wage and let jobs go undone?

: : Everything! The point is that a third party or arbitrator is neseccary for
: : labor.
:
: : That has nothing to do whether or not to have a minimum wage.
:
: Sure it does! Minimum wage keeps a lot of crap out of court.

: Like what? How does it do that?

If an employer doesn't pay minimum wage, then he is guilty by default. No
argument. MW is a standard that every employer MUST pay an employee. If
they pay more than MW, then an employee can't sue as they are getting MW.
If they go under, then the employee has a case. Having the MW standard
eliminates underpaid employees flocking to courts.

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:01:08 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : : You didn't answer my question. What kind of uniform were you forced
: : : to wear?
: :
: : I was speaking about parading as a spectator sport.
:
: : That's not what Pat was talking about, so your response to him (like
: : many of your responses to many people) was a total idiotic
: : non-sequitur.
:
: This has nothing to do with Pat.

: So you're admitting that even though your response to Pat was that we
: were already doing what he wrote (which we aren't), you were actually
: just babbling about something that had nothing to do with what he
: wrote. Typical.

Why did you eliminate this?

All I was saying that I have notice an
increase in militray presence in our society lately and used the
prsentation of the colors as an example. No, I have not been doing any
parading myself!

This part that you removed clarified everything, yet you left it out and
went on about the first sentence out of context.

THAT is intellectual dishonesty! Your diatribe about Pat is what doesn't
follow. And as an aside from that YOU decided to quote out context.

What does this post and the topic of increased military in civilian life
have to do with any post from Pat?

: : : What do you think you are?
: :
: : An American, just like the troops.
: :
: : Would you go to war if drafted? It sounds like you would not.
:
: : Only to an illogical moron. You're not an illogical moron, are you?
:
: Another classic case of ad hominem from Rand.

: No. But I understand you don't know the difference. I didn't call
: you anything. I just asked you if you were, based on your dumb
: statement.

Yep, my dumb statement.

: You avoided an answer and went after character.

: No, I provided an answer. You're just too dumb to understand it.

The last part again is ad hominem.

And there is nothing that you have said that has gone over my head. You're
the type that when in a fight immediatley kicks for the privates. That is
the type of scumbag you are.

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:02:30 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : : So, you believe that an employer should have the right to pay an
: : employee
: : : anything he wants to?
: :
: : : Of course, contingent on a mutually-agreed employment contract.
: :
: : Which is why we need labor unions, since the leverage that someone filling a
: : totally fungible low-level postion has is zip compared to the leverage of a
: : multi-million dollar company.
:
: : What leverage is needed? If the employee doesn't get paid what was
: : stipulated at the time of hire, the employer is in breach of the
: : contract, and he can quit, just as he can be fired if he doesn't do
: : the job. That's why it's a mutually-agreed employment contract.
:
: The contract is nothing but a piece of paper without a fair justice
: system.

: Who's opposed to a fair justice system? Can't you stay on topic for a
: single post?

I'm doing just fine. Why do you think that I felt you were opposed to a
fair justice system? I simply made a comment.

Do you take every post personally? Hey, leave your fragile but overly
large ego out of this!

Eric

Neil Gerace ) wrote:
: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message
: .. .

: Who's opposed to a fair justice system? Can't you stay on topic for a
: single post?

: Did someone say 'on topic'?


Rand, doesn't know when he's off topic based upon a subject line that is
on topic.

Eric

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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Rand Simberg wrote:

Depends on calibre and muzzle velocity. With fish like Eric, though,
a shotgun is adequate, and one shot will do ya.


Ahh... unless you are using a slug, the shotgun projectile will probably
have more than one piece of shot in it- that's why they call it a
"shotgun"- because it fires multiple shot rather than a bullet... I still
think this is an odd way to fish, but using thermite to boil a pond full
of ducks is a little odd also, but at least does not lack in imagination.

Pat
However, it is a lousy way of cooking duck. To cook American ducks correctly
requires something that lets the fat leak out. (One way we've found that is
very nice is to poke holes in the skin, steam it til most of the fat has
rendered out, and the roast it.) Oddly enough, some European ducks are so
lean that they have to be barded (wrapped in fat) to cook well.

The recipie I particularily remember is Chinese Tea Duck. You take a
airtight (or nearly so) container, put in about a cup of loose tea leaves
and a cup of raw rice, a wire rack, and a duck. Stick it on top of the stove
for about an hour and a half. If the container isn't airtight, you may have
to open up all your windows and disconnect the fire alarm. (This is what
happened when we tried it.) The duck is absolutely delicious. It does seem
an odd way of cooking. My theory was that some guy centuries ago had a
warehouse where he stored rice and tea, and kept a few ducks in the attic.
One night, a drunken Toshiro Mifune crept in, looking for the hidden Samurai
armor, and accidentally set fire to the place. The poor owner was
distraught, but kept wondering "what is that wonderful smell"...