Range of STA (747) ?

There has been mention in this newsgroup of the use of TAL or other
alternate landing sites.

Does an STA-747 have the range to cross the atlantic with some island hopping ?

Say it lands in Morocco or Spain, what would the stopovers be ? I take it
they would choose military airfields in england. Would it have to end up in
a major commercial airport on its way to Florida ?

(think of a the STA pulling up to a gate at a commercial airport with the
shuttle on its top ! Would be quite the view from the gate area :-)

Someone also mentioned the effect of frost on the shuttle which might
damage seals etc.

Since the shuttle is built to survive constant deep freeze and oven-heat
changes, does it really hurt the shuttle to land in a cold weather airport?

And if it does, wouldn't it rule out a TAL site since the STA would then
have to fly via iceland/greenland/newfoundland/new england before getting
south enough to no longer worry about frost ?

John Doe wrote:
There has been mention in this newsgroup of the use of TAL or other
alternate landing sites.

Does an STA-747 have the range to cross the atlantic with some island
hopping ?

Yes. N905NA took Enterprise to the Paris Airshow in the early 80s. By
the way, the acronym is SCA (Shuttle Carrier Aircraft), not STA.

Say it lands in Morocco or Spain, what would the stopovers be ? I take
it they would choose military airfields in england. Would it have to end
up in a major commercial airport on its way to Florida ?

I don't know the exact route, but there are photos of OV-101/N905NA at
CFB Goose Bay on Wikipedia.

--Chris

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
There has been mention in this newsgroup of the use of TAL or other
alternate landing sites.

Does an STA-747 have the range to cross the atlantic with some island
hopping ?


Yes. This was done to bring it to Paris.

However, it takes a fairly Northern route. I'm not sure NASA would be up to
flying that this time of year.


Say it lands in Morocco or Spain, what would the stopovers be ? I take it
they would choose military airfields in england. Would it have to end up
in a major commercial airport on its way to Florida ?

I don't recall exactly but I believe it's up through the UK, over to
Iceland, Canada and then US.


(think of a the STA pulling up to a gate at a commercial airport with the
shuttle on its top ! Would be quite the view from the gate area :-)

Someone also mentioned the effect of frost on the shuttle which might
damage seals etc.

Since the shuttle is built to survive constant deep freeze and oven-heat
changes, does it really hurt the shuttle to land in a cold weather
airport?

Deep freeze w/o moisture.



And if it does, wouldn't it rule out a TAL site since the STA would then
have to fly via iceland/greenland/newfoundland/new england before getting
south enough to no longer worry about frost ?

Rule out, no. But that's an exceptional circumstance. Worse case, they
leave it in a warm dry hanger for a few months.

Chris Bennetts ) writes:
John Doe wrote:
There has been mention in this newsgroup of the use of TAL or other
alternate landing sites.

Does an STA-747 have the range to cross the atlantic with some island
hopping ?

Yes. N905NA took Enterprise to the Paris Airshow in the early 80s.

As well I know, as som friends with press credentials had me be their
" native guide ", and we all drove up to Ottawa, ON., where 905 and
Enterprise landed in the summer of 1983, as a stop on their way back
from the Paris Airshow.

I got good pics of both vehicles there and then.

By the way, the acronym is SCA (Shuttle Carrier Aircraft), not STA.

Say it lands in Morocco or Spain, what would the stopovers be ? I take
it they would choose military airfields in england. Would it have to end
up in a major commercial airport on its way to Florida ?

I don't know the exact route, but there are photos of OV-101/N905NA at
CFB Goose Bay on Wikipedia.

Sounds cool, but I can't find it right now, either by going on there to
Goose bay or Space Shuttle.

Andre

Andre Lieven wrote:
Chris Bennetts ) writes:
I don't know the exact route, but there are photos of OV-101/N905NA at
CFB Goose Bay on Wikipedia.

Sounds cool, but I can't find it right now, either by going on there to
Goose bay or Space Shuttle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S..._goose_bay.jpg

--Chris

Supplemental:

Andre Lieven ) writes:
Chris Bennetts ) writes:
John Doe wrote:
There has been mention in this newsgroup of the use of TAL or other
alternate landing sites.

Does an STA-747 have the range to cross the atlantic with some island
hopping ?

Yes. N905NA took Enterprise to the Paris Airshow in the early 80s.

As well I know, as some friends with press credentials had me be their
" native guide ", and we all drove up to Ottawa, ON., where 905 and
Enterprise landed in the summer of 1983, as a stop on their way back
from the Paris Airshow.

I got good pics of both vehicles there and then.

By the way, the acronym is SCA (Shuttle Carrier Aircraft), not STA.

Say it lands in Morocco or Spain, what would the stopovers be ? I take
it they would choose military airfields in england. Would it have to end
up in a major commercial airport on its way to Florida ?

I don't know the exact route, but there are photos of OV-101/N905NA at
CFB Goose Bay on Wikipedia.

Sounds cool, but I can't find it right now, either by going on there to
Goose Bay or Space Shuttle.

It is to be found on the entry for Shuttle Carrier Aircraft. The caption
dates it as 1983, so that should be on the flight either to or back from
that year's Paris Air Show trip.

Andre

I'm sure in the 80s I saw a picture of it in the UK somewhere. I still could
see in those days.

Brian

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"John Doe" wrote in message
...
There has been mention in this newsgroup of the use of TAL or other
alternate landing sites.

Does an STA-747 have the range to cross the atlantic with some island
hopping ?


Yes. This was done to bring it to Paris.

However, it takes a fairly Northern route. I'm not sure NASA would be up
to flying that this time of year.


Say it lands in Morocco or Spain, what would the stopovers be ? I take it
they would choose military airfields in england. Would it have to end up
in a major commercial airport on its way to Florida ?

I don't recall exactly but I believe it's up through the UK, over to
Iceland, Canada and then US.


(think of a the STA pulling up to a gate at a commercial airport with the
shuttle on its top ! Would be quite the view from the gate area :-)

Someone also mentioned the effect of frost on the shuttle which might
damage seals etc.

Since the shuttle is built to survive constant deep freeze and oven-heat
changes, does it really hurt the shuttle to land in a cold weather
airport?

Deep freeze w/o moisture.



And if it does, wouldn't it rule out a TAL site since the STA would then
have to fly via iceland/greenland/newfoundland/new england before getting
south enough to no longer worry about frost ?

Rule out, no. But that's an exceptional circumstance. Worse case, they
leave it in a warm dry hanger for a few months.

"Brian Gaff" wrote:

I'm sure in the 80s I saw a picture of it in the UK somewhere. I still could see in
those days.

It stopped off at RAF Fairford, Gloucestershire. The base was opened to the
public. I was there.

--

Brian

Brian Lawrence wrote:

It stopped off at RAF Fairford, Gloucestershire.

Is Fairford still a TAL site?

Andre Lieven plaatste dit op zijn scherm :
Chris Bennetts ) writes:
John Doe wrote:
There has been mention in this newsgroup of the use of TAL or other
alternate landing sites.

Does an STA-747 have the range to cross the atlantic with some island
hopping ?

Yes. N905NA took Enterprise to the Paris Airshow in the early 80s.

As well I know, as som friends with press credentials had me be their
" native guide ", and we all drove up to Ottawa, ON., where 905 and
Enterprise landed in the summer of 1983, as a stop on their way back
from the Paris Airshow.

I got good pics of both vehicles there and then.

By the way, the acronym is SCA (Shuttle Carrier Aircraft), not STA.

Say it lands in Morocco or Spain, what would the stopovers be ? I take
it they would choose military airfields in england. Would it have to end
up in a major commercial airport on its way to Florida ?

I don't know the exact route, but there are photos of OV-101/N905NA at
CFB Goose Bay on Wikipedia.

Sounds cool, but I can't find it right now, either by going on there to
Goose bay or Space Shuttle.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OV-101


Andre

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