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Old September 11th 06, 02:37 AM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
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Default Venus is alive and kicking our NASA's butt

Frank Glover wrote:

wrote:

captain. wrote:

"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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"captain." wrote in message
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hmmm, i'm impressed that you knew that twink. good work!


How absolutely silly


does absolute silliness have a numerical value?

of yourself, and proof-positive of what rusemasters

you folks actually are.


well yes, the twinker and myself are behind the plot to convince the
public
that the moon is migrating outwards with each passing year. we almost
had
you all fooled.


Before we blindly leap ourselves onto our moon (for the first time),
perhaps we should think again. You folks have got to be absolutely
kidding about utilizing the physically dark surface of our extremely
dusty and highly reactive moon, especially for much of anything that's
on behalf of optical astronomy.


aren't you the guy who thinks there should be a colony on venus? now
that's
crazy!




Why is it cracy? There are only a limited amount of living space on
this planet Earth. At the rate earth's population is growing, we
should set our sight into Venus or Mars. Our scientists today should
be studying these planets to see how we can make it liveable for human
beings.



Who's lining up?

There are people who are willing to live on Mars even as is it. Many
more would likely be interested, if it could be quilckly terraformed
into something passably Earthlike.

Is that subset of people, though large, a signifigant fraction of
Earth's population? No.

No matter how bad things might be here, most humans don't want to
emigrate. Will you force them? Which ones, and how? And even if they did...

What would they ride?

Even if you could make travel to Mars as cheap as intercontinental air
travel is today, and had the same number of spaceships, with the same
capacity, as all existing wide-bodied jets, can you even remove people
*fast enough* to keep up with population growth? (and will they continue
to breed after arrival?)

I don't have numbers, but I seriously doubt it. (and there's still
that willingness issue, and I'm completely ignoring the questions of
what to do with them on arrival, or if it's ethical to terraform Mars if
there's native life)

There may be a great many reasons for space colonization and
terraforming, but population relief's the least likely or practical one.

And anyway space colonization even thoretically is at best a delaying
action but no solution.
Proof:
Assuming a steady exploration speed limited by the speed of light,
The available volume of space for colonization (i.e. size of the sphere
centered on earth) grows at most as r**3. i.e. the volume grows
algebraically.
Population growth is exponential.
And eventually any exponential rate 0 will surpass any algebraic
rate.

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Old September 11th 06, 12:19 PM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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Why exactly are either of you Third Reich collaborating minions even
here?

Is this the very best that such brown-nosed MIB rusemasters can
accomplish?

Am I and of otherwise the banishing of whatever's the truth actually
worth that much of a Jewish effort?
-
Brad Guth


you're starting to become a little incoherent there big guy.


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Old September 11th 06, 12:21 PM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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captain; does absolute silliness have a numerical value?

Not that I'm aware of. Although, within a naysay black hole of all that
infomercial-science that you're so proud of, perhaps anything is
possible.

captain; aren't you the guy who thinks there should be a colony on venus?
now that's crazy!

I never once insisted that we humans and of our wussy DNA that's
sequestered within our frail water-bag bodies should so much as set a
naked hot foot on Venus, nor much less for that matter a double IR
roasted moonboot upon our anticathode moon of lethal gamma and X-rays,
nor even upon good old and sub-frozen and cosmic radiated to death Mars
seems damn iffy, as well as Mars being something that's terribly time
consuming and spendy as all get out. Besides, most of us still aren't
good enough at surviving Earth, especially of these global warming days
if you can't swim or otherwise outrun a storm, and it's only getting
worse yet if you're Muslim, happen to look like Usama bin Laden could
certainly get a little testy, and your ass is grass if our resident
LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) is the only soul on Earth that thinks you've got
WMD.

I have insisted upon a fully robotic science platform as efficiently
station-keeping itself within the halo of Venus L2, and I've suggested
that even a "tomcat" fat-waverider of a composite rigid airship is
entirely doable as long as the 19 months of a crew being on location
isn't too much to ask for. Cruising throughout the mostly nighttime
cool atmosphere of what's mostly of harmless dry CO2 that's just below
those thick clouds, perhaps as high off the geothermally roasting deck
as 35~40 km, or perhaps as low as 25~30 km seems perfectly doable.

On the other hand, obviously you've already excluded those pesky regular
laws of physics and otherwise having banished whatever's the best
available science of such newish planetology, and haven't we entirely
forgotten about observationology. Way to go, Uncle Hitler, ignoring the
truth at the risk of losing the war (oops! I do believe that's exactly
what happened).

captain; it's not something that i consider on a daily basis.

I totally agree, though perhaps at best our moon offers an hourly basis
of survival if you've got that personal cash of banked bone marrow in
reserve, and I believe that's only advisable if your TBI exposure was
accomplished via earthshine. Whereas otherwise, on a bad sort of solar
day you could be all the way down to minutes shortly after sunrise.
-
Brad Guth



it's really quite flattering that you think i am such a puppetmaster mister
guth.


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Old September 11th 06, 12:26 PM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
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wrote in message
ups.com...

aren't you the guy who thinks there should be a colony on venus? now
that's
crazy!


Why is it cracy? There are only a limited amount of living space on
this planet Earth. At the rate earth's population is growing, we
should set our sight into Venus or Mars. Our scientists today should
be studying these planets to see how we can make it liveable for human
beings.


welp in the case of venus... all i can say is "good luck". maybe brad guth
can come up with a tinfoil theory about how it could be possible. or perhaps
he has already. i'm going to have to pull a few strings and get it squashed
if he has. i am , after all.......... THE RUSEMASTER!!!






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Old September 11th 06, 12:27 PM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
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"Frank Glover" wrote in message
...
BluntForceTraumaT wrote:

I would set my sights on Pluto. The real estate values have plummeted
since it was declared a non-planet. No one will bother you there.


The physicsl nature of Pluto didn't change one iota just because humans
re-defined it. but anyway...

You don't have to go that far or that big. There's a large set of
wannbe colonists who'd prefer to live among, and use the materials of the
asteroids, anyway.


then there's always the heaven's gate cult. i guess mr.guth came along a
little too late for that one


  #26  
Old September 11th 06, 08:10 PM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
Brad Guth[_2_]
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"captain." wrote in message
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welp in the case of venus... all i can say is "good luck". maybe brad guth
can come up with a tinfoil theory about how it could be possible. or perhaps
he has already. i'm going to have to pull a few strings and get it squashed
if he has. i am , after all.......... THE RUSEMASTER!!!


Actually your "tinfoil" might take the heat. However, a rather fifty
local composite of basalt and of fused silica as a binder might have to
make do at a wussy 4.84 GPa that's worth R-1024/m.

Otherwise, with such unlimited and 100% renewable local energy, where's
the big-ass insurmountable problem of CO2--co/o2 and of nifty
refrigeration via compressed CO2?
-
Brad Guth



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Old September 11th 06, 08:30 PM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
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Default Venus is alive and kicking our NASA's butt


"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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"captain." wrote in message
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welp in the case of venus... all i can say is "good luck". maybe brad
guth
can come up with a tinfoil theory about how it could be possible. or
perhaps
he has already. i'm going to have to pull a few strings and get it
squashed
if he has. i am , after all.......... THE RUSEMASTER!!!


Actually your "tinfoil" might take the heat. However, a rather fifty
local composite of basalt and of fused silica as a binder might have to
make do at a wussy 4.84 GPa that's worth R-1024/m.

Otherwise, with such unlimited and 100% renewable local energy, where's
the big-ass insurmountable problem of CO2--co/o2 and of nifty
refrigeration via compressed CO2?
-
Brad Guth


Forgetaboudit loser. Your compressed methane gas keeps becoming
uncompressed.

The big-ass problem is your big-ass loaded up with fermenting crap.

Go find out about females. They are the things you read about in freshman
high school biology class.

They can slap the crap out of you and maybe turn you into a useful
lawnmower/garbage can dumper.



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Old September 11th 06, 08:53 PM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
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"BluntForceTraumaT"
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Forgetaboudit loser. Your compressed methane gas keeps becoming
uncompressed.

The big-ass problem is your big-ass loaded up with fermenting crap.

Go find out about females. They are the things you read about in freshman
high school biology class.

They can slap the crap out of you and maybe turn you into a useful
lawnmower/garbage can dumper.


Christ almighty on another stick, what the holy PUCK is your incest
spawn of bigoted infomercial crapolla spewing from between your
butt-cheeks this time?

Did Hitler not ever once spank you, or better yet make you eat your own
crapolla, when you were just a young Third Reich little brown-nosed
minion?

You obviously haven't once constructively contributed one damn thing
that's even remotely on-topic, or even sufficiently on a related
sub-topic.
-
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Old September 11th 06, 11:39 PM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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"BluntForceTraumaT"
wrote in message

Forgetaboudit loser. Your compressed methane gas keeps becoming
uncompressed.

The big-ass problem is your big-ass loaded up with fermenting crap.

Go find out about females. They are the things you read about in freshman
high school biology class.

They can slap the crap out of you and maybe turn you into a useful
lawnmower/garbage can dumper.


Christ almighty on another stick, what the holy PUCK is your incest
spawn of bigoted infomercial crapolla spewing from between your
butt-cheeks this time?

Did Hitler not ever once spank you, or better yet make you eat your own
crapolla, when you were just a young Third Reich little brown-nosed
minion?

You obviously haven't once constructively contributed one damn thing
that's even remotely on-topic, or even sufficiently on a related
sub-topic.
-
Brad Guth


That's right. Turning Braddie-boy into a useful human being is not on-topic.
Neither is introducing him to the female of the species.

So far now Brad will dream about going to Mars with his ****** engine, Wank
'N Go (patent pending). That's one small spurt for mankind, one big gob of
goo for Brad.


  #30  
Old September 12th 06, 02:15 AM posted to sci.space.policy,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.russian,uk.sci.astronomy
Brad Guth[_2_]
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Default Venus is alive and kicking our NASA's butt

Why exactly are either of you Third Reich collaborating minions even
here?

Is this the very best that such brown-nosed MIB rusemasters can
accomplish?

Am I and of otherwise the banishing of whatever's the truth actually
worth that much of a Jewish effort?
-
Brad Guth


you're starting to become a little incoherent there big guy.


sorry about that.

Brown-nosed is being a personal butt-wipe on behalf of whatever the
mainstream status quo has in their perverted mindset to accomplish.

MIB = men in black (aka MI/NSA~NASA spooks, moles and goons)

minion = butt sucking lacky and/or infomercial junky

Third Reich = Third Reich

Usenet is most extensively a Jewish perverted cesspool of a
disinformation infomercial sort of thing, especially if it has anything
to do with whatever honestly matters, or on behalf of keeping tkose
perpetrated cold-war lids on tight so that the rest of us village idiots
don't get all hot and bothered by the truth.

My usual dyslexic topic encryption comes along for the ride at no extra
charge.
-
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