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What's wrong with there being ETs (smarter than us none the less)
BradGuth wrote:
How about; ETs are not likely Jewish. Are you sure? Harlan Ellison differs with you on this subject. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Jun 21, 4:33 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 20 Jun, 20:49, BradGuth wrote: ETs might stop by Earth for their R&R entertainment, as otherwise Earth hasn't all that much to offer unless you had a death wish. Earth offers knowledge. This is what they would be after. The knowledge of Zion naysayism on a stick isn't hardly worth our infomercial crapolla that's flowing up hill, at least not to any ET worth their salt. If you have interplanetary and/or much less interstellar capability, as such Earth is pretty much worth nothing except trouble. - Brad Guth |
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On Jun 21, 4:33 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 20 Jun, 20:49, BradGuth wrote: Don't try telling the rest of us village idiots that Zionist/Jews as of before and during WWII were merely dumb and dumber fools, as well as poor little insignificant heathens, then suddenly became ultra wealthy, powerful and otherwise smart as all get out once connecting up with us. The only significant faith-based group on Earth that has essentially everything to lose and thereby nothing to gain from the discovery of ETs, are those pesky Zionist/Jews of mostly Old Testament thumpers, and they clearly have no intentions of going down without causing a good fight, including an all out WWIII or putting the likes of Christ back on a stick if need be. The vast bulk of physics and subsequent science is so freaking Zionist and thus all controlling, in that other interpretations of anything doesn't really matter, because whatever's of alternative news, science of deductive discoveries are simply going to get stalked, bashed and other wise mainstream media banish in every possible Dirty Harry "which way but lose". Not that a few other faith-based cults haven't contributed their fair share of disinformation, and/or having enforced as much evidence exclusion as possible. Look science is independently checked by lots of people. No scientific theory is EVER accepted just like that. science is accepted because it adds up, makes sense. In Jewish culture there is a great tradition of learring. If gentiles want to be as well represented the remedy is obvious. They should discipline themselves. Spend time studying, try to get to their potential. The Palestinians should do this too. Thir greatest enemy is their leaders. Why then come at all? I KNOW that ET is not around on Earth. I don't know wheher or not there is intelligent life on some distant planet that has taken the conscious decision not to come. If we do a voyage at c/2 it will take a moderate investment in resources. ET would have to consider these resources worth while. ETs might stop by Earth for their R&R entertainment, as otherwise Earth hasn't all that much to offer unless you had a death wish. Earth offers knowledge. This is what they would be after. Well now. If ET wished to destroy us there are quite simple ways of so doing. A biological weapon for example. ET clearly does not wish either to destroy us on the one hand, or to make us less threatening on the other. The disinformation on the Web clearly comes from military/CIA based sources. Why should ETs destroy the best entertainment in town (sort of speak), and besides, we're not all as freaking dumb and dumber, or as nearly mindset spastic as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush). Ave Caesar - Nos qui morituri te salutamus. That is an interesting one! Earth being a gladitorial show. c/10 would be fast enough for AI that would simply go into hibernation.. The real question I think is simply this. ET is supposed to take part in things like alien abduction and to fly around in flying saucers. In fact you can get all the DNA evidence you want by just taking a few skin samples. Most of your information is on the Web. The likes of Sirius isn't all that far away, and it's not always as far off as it is right now. Venus is certainly close by, as in 100 fold the distance of our moon every 19 months, and upon Venus there's no local shortage of renewable energy to burn (sort of speak). Therefore, space travel need not always be demanding of hibernation or multi-generation habitats. The other thing is the size of ET spacecraft. They have always been posulated as man carrying. In fact ET will have developed molecular information storage. Spacecraft will be the size of dragonflies. I tend to agree, that micro spacecrafts plus whatever of "molecular information storage" is quite doable, especially if such having arrived via mother craft that's using anti-matter as fusion or simply driven along by those nifty Ra--LRn--Rn--ion laser cannon thrusters at c/2, whereas their mother craft could also be fully AI configured, but also capable of accommodating a few live souls. Those intelligent ETs capable of terraforming a given planet or moon, as such may have moved on to wherever the grass is greener, although mining the likes of Venus for a good many raw elements seems entirely worth doing, especially if Venus were a billion years less old than Earth. Unlike our physically dark and rather anticathode naked moon of gamma and hard-Xrays, at least sustaining the likes of human DNA on Venus is technically doable. - Quite, buy you seem to be shifting your ground somewhat. If what you are saying is that ET is aroung but has an independent existence, does not interfere with what we are doing, it ceases to be a scientific statement. It is not a scientific statement because it cannot be verified. This is the problem I have with the whole idea, Independent evolution of intelligent life - OK I believe it. Possibility of interstellar travel - I believe it. Actual visit - I have great difficulty with. My problem with UFOs is compounded by the fact that the technology possessed by aliens appears to mirror the preconceptions of the time. If large spacecraft are impossible, if an obvious presence on the Web has not been observed, where are we? It seems that there are faries at the bottom of our garden but they run away whenever we approach them. If ET travels in micro spacecrft and does not interact with us, this is how it seems. As far as sadistic elements are concerned, why does ET not simply produce a virtual Colosseum, pit Rectarius against Sequtor and have a few floggings and cruxifictions thrown in? Is there an ulterior motive? I remember watching a television program on a UFO over Phoenix. It was clearly a Stealth aircraft at a time when these did not exist. The Pentagon provided a lifesize dummy of a little green man to discredit the eyewitnesses. There have been professional debunkers employed by the military. Nobody before now has taken alien technology and thought about what it might actually look like. This to be is the basis of the true debunk. - Ian Parker- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There is no good reason for life on Venus to have its own space travel capability, and there's less of any reason for space traveling ETs that might utilize Venus to stop by Earth on their way to/from Venus. My interpretation as to what's existing on Venus is just plain old deductive observationology that's 100% backed by the regular laws of physics and of the best available science, having nothing to do with UFOs or space traveling ETs. You folks are the silly ones continually skewed off the tracks. - Brad Guth |
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On Jun 21, 8:28 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
BradGuth wrote: How about; ETs are not likely Jewish. Are you sure? Harlan Ellison differs with you on this subject. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." No, I'm not absolutely certain, but given the odds I'd have to go with their being more likely Cathar, or at least something pro-Christ like than not. ET's of such Zion formulated naysayism and/or of such an evidence exclusion mindset seems least likely. You can't be out and about this universe or even that of our solar system along with such a restrictlve/bigoted faith-based mindset. - Brad Guth |
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On Jun 21, 8:28 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
BradGuth wrote: How about; ETs are not likely Jewish. Are you sure? Harlan Ellison differs with you on this subject. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." If the likes of Harlan Ellison is into thinking ETs are Zion/Jewish, then we're in for a whole lot deeper trouble than anyone can imagine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlan_Ellison "possibly the most contentious person on Earth" His friend Isaac Asimov noted that, "Harlan uses his gifts for colorful and variegated invective on those who irritate him - intrusive fans, obdurate editors, callous publishers, offensive strangers." Thus far I tend to like the *******. I'll have to read a few of his books. - Brad Guth |
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On Jun 20, 2:47 pm, Ian Parker wrote:
On 20 Jun, 15:57, BradGuth wrote: We are looking at things like Google as a possible version of AI on the Web. We are looking at the consequences which are quite literally mind boggling. If I were to land on a planet going roung some distant star and there was an Internet, the first thing I would do would be put intelligence onto it and this intelligence would produce a synopsis of all life for me. To that I say again; Where is there not evidence? There is plenty of evidence as to what Google is doing. I see and/or experience ETs AI crapolla (mostly Zion based) just about everywhere within this internet/usenet. Why Zionist? I have never mentioned Isreal. The 2L I have posted has mostly been Spanish - not Hebrew. We know that television appearances in effect selects the President. If ET is embedded deeply into the Web he will be in a position to make or break presidents. This is going to become more and more true in the future when RSS feeds replace analogue television (Radio Reloj I called it in the SETI discussions). We are replacing analogue television at a rate of knots and if there is any truth in ET it means that we are not masters of our destiny. As I've said before; Why would any ET worth their salt need to bother screwing with us, nor should they dare. Because we're clearly the assholes, we're not supposed to do business with Cuba or a few other nations. Go figure what ETs must have on their embargo (aka NO FLY) list. Why then come at all? I KNOW that ET is not around on Earth. I don't know wheher or not there is intelligent life on some distant planet that has taken the conscious decision not to come. If we do a voyage at c/2 it will take a moderate investment in resources. ET would have to consider these resources worth while. If he did make the trip he would want to maximise his returns. As for a "no fly list". well I would have thought that if this were the case ET would take steps to make us less threatening. AI on the Web would be a very good way of doing this. I don't know either why someone with a pseudonym of "American" seems to think we have been visited regularly. This being the case all the military hardware built up by the US is just so much junk. What will be decisive for the world is the information we are presented with. This will come from ET. ET will select what is in and not in our RSS feeds. And obviously you think we're as screwed up as we are because of ourselves, with no off-world assistance whatsoever. When was the last time we left a given nation alone, especially if there was the likes of oil, yellowcake or some other spendy element to being had? Besides, why on Earth would ETs have only the best of intentions? Well now. If ET wished to destroy us there are quite simple ways of so doing. A biological weapon for example. ET clearly does not wish either to destroy us on the one hand, or to make us less threatening on the other. The disinformation on the Web clearly comes from military/CIA based sources. There is no evidence I can discern that the Web does contain AI, so the above is academic. At least I hope it is! There is no evidence of disinformation - at least not on the ET side. There is evidence of disinformation from people who do not want to know the truth. This does in fact make me cross. The people though are emphatically Terran. A true naysayer/rusemaster is in denial from the get go. (it's sort of MIB required) If MIB Men in Black or Machines in Black. The phrase I use "?Puerde leer en espagnol?" I think expresses this. What would you expect from a message from ET? Well perhaps not little green ET but a Web manifesation of AI. Well it would be multilingual. It would be expressed in a number of languages in a slightly different form. Why would ETs bother to let on that they have existed, as here on Earth or otherwise upon Venus or anywhere else we might possibly look? Wouldn't most religions or faith-based morons (especially those fence jumping Atheists) hunt them down and kill off such ETs without remorse? (if history counts, of course they would) Well no we could not track AI down. Dammit we find paedophilia difficult enough. AI would hide in crevices, you would think a real mperson had posted, but in fact no one would have done. Look at what happened to Jesus Christ, and by his own kind none the less. So, there is no limit as to what we'd do if knowing there was an ET among us. If I were an ET, there's no freaking way in this bigotry of hell on Earth that I'd share that knowledge. Besides, to an interplanetary/interstellar trekking ET, what's so great about our energy poor and otherwise 98.5% fluid Earth that's getting itself global warmed and otherwise a little extra radiated by our salty old anticathode moon anyway? (Earth is a wussy planet with more than it's fair share of local problems) BTW, c/2 seems iffy, although c/10 seems rather ET doable, as fast enough. - c/10 would be fast enough for AI that would simply go into hibernation.. The real question I think is simply this. ET is supposed to take part in things like alien abduction and to fly around in flying saucers. In fact you can get all the DNA evidence you want by just taking a few skin samples. Most of your information is on the Web. The other thing is the size of ET spacecraft. They have always been posulated as man carrying. In fact ET will have developed molecular information storage. Spacecraft will be the size of dragonflies. - Ian Parker- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am not laughing. THOSE ET's MUST BE OUT OF THEIR ELEMENT. Let them eat their own larvae. They have nothing on the Elohim. Let God save the queen, as long as there is truth. Let freedom ring. Build the FTL empire and they will come. Intergalactic trade to the hilt. Microwaves and computer chips are a thing of the past. Quantum encrypted G-wave transmission and reception are virtually instantaneous across the galaxy (ref. rhysmonics). Yet we as a nation of immigrants, have become technologically stuck- up around 1954, at the very end of the industrial revolution, and at the very beginning of television. That is where, I believe, masses began to choose superficiality over substance. Fine clothes over authority. The shift began away from hearing the true intent of a speech to animated metaphorical dialecticisms for the masses of U.S. immigrants. As a shared experience, U.S. couples shared their animus to marry, go home, and watch TV to gain more animus. Therefore, they have come home to roost in their own boxes of animus, but they are no closer to actually participating in televised programming than turning their off/on switch to make their distant friend come alive. Yet this distance between "friends" has still not closed the gap for actual contact - the bandwidth was and still is not being subsumed by either party of who the "watch me" people are and who the "see me" people are. It's enough pretensive animus to make one puke with disgust. That is why the need for flight that is (almost) instantaneous - it puts us in closer contact with who we are and where are we going as a species - because we have the power within ourselves to be transformed by FTL technology. It's just a matter of time. American |
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On Jun 21, 12:07 pm, American wrote:
On Jun 20, 2:47 pm, Ian Parker wrote: On 20 Jun, 15:57, BradGuth wrote: We are looking at things like Google as a possible version of AI on the Web. We are looking at the consequences which are quite literally mind boggling. If I were to land on a planet going roung some distant star and there was an Internet, the first thing I would do would be put intelligence onto it and this intelligence would produce a synopsis of all life for me. To that I say again; Where is there not evidence? There is plenty of evidence as to what Google is doing. I see and/or experience ETs AI crapolla (mostly Zion based) just about everywhere within this internet/usenet. Why Zionist? I have never mentioned Isreal. The 2L I have posted has mostly been Spanish - not Hebrew. We know that television appearances in effect selects the President. If ET is embedded deeply into the Web he will be in a position to make or break presidents. This is going to become more and more true in the future when RSS feeds replace analogue television (Radio Reloj I called it in the SETI discussions). We are replacing analogue television at a rate of knots and if there is any truth in ET it means that we are not masters of our destiny. As I've said before; Why would any ET worth their salt need to bother screwing with us, nor should they dare. Because we're clearly the assholes, we're not supposed to do business with Cuba or a few other nations. Go figure what ETs must have on their embargo (aka NO FLY) list. Why then come at all? I KNOW that ET is not around on Earth. I don't know wheher or not there is intelligent life on some distant planet that has taken the conscious decision not to come. If we do a voyage at c/2 it will take a moderate investment in resources. ET would have to consider these resources worth while. If he did make the trip he would want to maximise his returns. As for a "no fly list". well I would have thought that if this were the case ET would take steps to make us less threatening. AI on the Web would be a very good way of doing this. I don't know either why someone with a pseudonym of "American" seems to think we have been visited regularly. This being the case all the military hardware built up by the US is just so much junk. What will be decisive for the world is the information we are presented with. This will come from ET. ET will select what is in and not in our RSS feeds. And obviously you think we're as screwed up as we are because of ourselves, with no off-world assistance whatsoever. When was the last time we left a given nation alone, especially if there was the likes of oil, yellowcake or some other spendy element to being had? Besides, why on Earth would ETs have only the best of intentions? Well now. If ET wished to destroy us there are quite simple ways of so doing. A biological weapon for example. ET clearly does not wish either to destroy us on the one hand, or to make us less threatening on the other. The disinformation on the Web clearly comes from military/CIA based sources. There is no evidence I can discern that the Web does contain AI, so the above is academic. At least I hope it is! There is no evidence of disinformation - at least not on the ET side. There is evidence of disinformation from people who do not want to know the truth. This does in fact make me cross. The people though are emphatically Terran. A true naysayer/rusemaster is in denial from the get go. (it's sort of MIB required) If MIB Men in Black or Machines in Black. The phrase I use "?Puerde leer en espagnol?" I think expresses this. What would you expect from a message from ET? Well perhaps not little green ET but a Web manifesation of AI. Well it would be multilingual. It would be expressed in a number of languages in a slightly different form. Why would ETs bother to let on that they have existed, as here on Earth or otherwise upon Venus or anywhere else we might possibly look? Wouldn't most religions or faith-based morons (especially those fence jumping Atheists) hunt them down and kill off such ETs without remorse? (if history counts, of course they would) Well no we could not track AI down. Dammit we find paedophilia difficult enough. AI would hide in crevices, you would think a real mperson had posted, but in fact no one would have done. Look at what happened to Jesus Christ, and by his own kind none the less. So, there is no limit as to what we'd do if knowing there was an ET among us. If I were an ET, there's no freaking way in this bigotry of hell on Earth that I'd share that knowledge. Besides, to an interplanetary/interstellar trekking ET, what's so great about our energy poor and otherwise 98.5% fluid Earth that's getting itself global warmed and otherwise a little extra radiated by our salty old anticathode moon anyway? (Earth is a wussy planet with more than it's fair share of local problems) BTW, c/2 seems iffy, although c/10 seems rather ET doable, as fast enough. - c/10 would be fast enough for AI that would simply go into hibernation.. The real question I think is simply this. ET is supposed to take part in things like alien abduction and to fly around in flying saucers. In fact you can get all the DNA evidence you want by just taking a few skin samples. Most of your information is on the Web. The other thing is the size of ET spacecraft. They have always been posulated as man carrying. In fact ET will have developed molecular information storage. Spacecraft will be the size of dragonflies. - Ian Parker- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am not laughing. THOSE ET's MUST BE OUT OF THEIR ELEMENT. Let them eat their own larvae. They have nothing on the Elohim. Let God save the queen, as long as there is truth. Let freedom ring. Build the FTL empire and they will come. Intergalactic trade to the hilt. Microwaves and computer chips are a thing of the past. Quantum encrypted G-wave transmission and reception are virtually instantaneous across the galaxy (ref. rhysmonics). Yet we as a nation of immigrants, have become technologically stuck- up around 1954, at the very end of the industrial revolution, and at the very beginning of television. That is where, I believe, masses began to choose superficiality over substance. Fine clothes over authority. The shift began away from hearing the true intent of a speech to animated metaphorical dialecticisms for the masses of U.S. immigrants. As a shared experience, U.S. couples shared their animus to marry, go home, and watch TV to gain more animus. Therefore, they have come home to roost in their own boxes of animus, but they are no closer to actually participating in televised programming than turning their off/on switch to make their distant friend come alive. Yet this distance between "friends" has still not closed the gap for actual contact - the bandwidth was and still is not being subsumed by either party of who the "watch me" people are and who the "see me" people are. It's enough pretensive animus to make one puke with disgust. That is why the need for flight that is (almost) instantaneous - it puts us in closer contact with who we are and where are we going as a species - because we have the power within ourselves to be transformed by FTL technology. It's just a matter of time. American - And a matter of our becoming photons instead of clunky atoms that are actually rather highly inefficient itemes per volume of given space, at those atoms being at best 99.9999% empty, if not at worse 99.9999999% empty space. Whereas those nifty string like photons are more 2D and thus do not take up hardly if any space, thus hardly if any limitations as to their maximum velocity, as well as safely coexisting along with antimatter to boot. (isn't that good news, or what!) - Brad Guth |
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On 21 Jun, 16:30, BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 21, 4:33 am, Ian Parker wrote: On 20 Jun, 20:49, BradGuth wrote: ETs might stop by Earth for their R&R entertainment, as otherwise Earth hasn't all that much to offer unless you had a death wish. Earth offers knowledge. This is what they would be after. The knowledge of Zion naysayism on a stick isn't hardly worth our infomercial crapolla that's flowing up hill, at least not to any ET worth their salt. If you have interplanetary and/or much less interstellar capability, as such Earth is pretty much worth nothing except trouble. - I must say I find you extremely difficult to understand. At one level you talk about the follies of the human race just like ant good card carrying liberal. On the other you are obviously anti semitic. I personally feel there should be a united Palestine within a Middle Eastern EU (call it if you like the MEU). People in the MEU would be judged not by race or religion but by what they can contrbute. Pius? - of course, but it is human stupidity that is preventing the MEU coming about. To me judgement on what you can contribute seems the only rational way to view people. If people are behaving rationally there is no need to study them further, it is when they are behaving rationally. It is when behaviour is irrational that study becomes interesting. This is completely the reverse of what you are claiming. The holocaust must never happen again, we need to understand it. Hitler claimed that Bolshevism was a Jewish conspiracy. The truth is that only about 5.2% of CPSU membership were Jews. 94.8% were gentile Russians. http://www.photius.com/countries/sov...iety_jews.html In fact if there was any conspiracy at all it was a conspiracy in a Russian Orthodox seminary! http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSstalin.htm Why was this swallowed whole? Why did the genocide in Rwanda take place? I still say there are faries at the bottom of my garden, and tghis sums up my attitude to ETs presence. Analysis seems to show that ET exists apart from us and belief in his presence is in a degree unscientific. Science is about TESTABLE hypotheses. OK String Theory ....... There is one moral question that remains. OK suppose I am observing the Holocaust, Rwanda, Srebenitza and a host of other atrocities. If I then do nothing about it, when I could, does that make me complicit? ET could at least generate a few posings of his own to help to make us more rational. This is a moral point - I don't know what other people think. Rather than keep on posting I feel I ought to say something about "American" and FTL. It seems to have escaped him that interstellar travel (subluninal) is performed by AI. Generations simply don't travel in a spacecraft at c/10 (or c/2 for that matter). I think the presentation of the time paradox in Elementary Particle QM terms is rigorous and totally convinces me. If you are not totally convinced there is the Fermi Paradox. If FTL is possible this expands the number of worlds that can visit us to (in effect) the whole Universe - perhaps even the invisible Universe that is receeding FTL. - Ian Parker |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:39:40 -0700, in a place far, far away, Ian
Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: On 21 Jun, 16:30, BradGuth wrote: On Jun 21, 4:33 am, Ian Parker wrote: On 20 Jun, 20:49, BradGuth wrote: ETs might stop by Earth for their R&R entertainment, as otherwise Earth hasn't all that much to offer unless you had a death wish. Earth offers knowledge. This is what they would be after. The knowledge of Zion naysayism on a stick isn't hardly worth our infomercial crapolla that's flowing up hill, at least not to any ET worth their salt. If you have interplanetary and/or much less interstellar capability, as such Earth is pretty much worth nothing except trouble. - I must say I find you extremely difficult to understand. That's because he's even more crazy than you are. It's a waste of time to discourse with him. |
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