Good arguments supporting reality of Global Warming

With Congress's recent clueless shelving of any legislation in
response to global
warming, I found the following synopsis of arguments in support of
climatologists'
warnings about the issue to be very clear and persuasive. This is an
article in the Skeptical Ensquirer, by Dr. David Morrison, the Senior
Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, at

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/disinf...lobal_warming/

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT), stargene
wrote:

With Congress's recent clueless shelving of any legislation in
response to global
warming, I found the following synopsis of arguments in support of
climatologists'
warnings about the issue to be very clear and persuasive. This is an
article in the Skeptical Ensquirer, by Dr. David Morrison, the Senior
Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, at

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/disinf...lobal_warming/
Where is the argument? Who rationally thinks that global warming HAS
NOT been going on for the past 12,000 years, since the end of the last
period of glaciation. How long has it been since the Great Lakes
remained frozen over throughout the summer? How long has it been since
there was so much sea water removed and converted into polar ice that
the Bering Straight was a land bridge between what is now Russia and
Alaska? How long has it been since those Neanderthals could walk from
what is now France to Spain, across the Straight of Gibraltar without
getting their feet wet?

And, the really BIG question is, how much longer do we have before
this planet starts sinking back into the next period of glaciation? We
are overdue here, if this current cycle follows the same pattern that
previous cycles followed.

On Aug 2, 9:39*am, Antares 531 wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT), stargene

wrote:
With Congress's recent clueless shelving of any legislation in
response to global
warming, I found the following synopsis of arguments in support of
climatologists'
warnings about the issue to be very clear and persuasive. *This is an
article in the Skeptical Ensquirer, by Dr. David Morrison, the Senior
Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, at

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/disinf...lobal_warming/

Where is the argument? Who rationally thinks that global warming HAS
NOT been going on for the past 12,000 years, since the end of the last
period of glaciation. How long has it been since the Great Lakes
remained frozen over throughout the summer? How long has it been since
there was so much sea water removed and converted into polar ice that
the Bering Straight was a land bridge between what is now Russia and
Alaska? How long has it been since those Neanderthals could walk from
what is now France to Spain, across the Straight of Gibraltar without
getting their feet wet?

And, the really BIG question is, how much longer do we have before
this planet starts sinking back into the next period of glaciation? We
are overdue here, if this current cycle follows the same pattern that
previous cycles followed.

As long as we hold onto our moon, there's never going to be another
ice age (not even any little dip).

~ BG

On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
wrote:

On Aug 2, 9:39*am, Antares 531 wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT), stargene

wrote:
With Congress's recent clueless shelving of any legislation in
response to global
warming, I found the following synopsis of arguments in support of
climatologists'
warnings about the issue to be very clear and persuasive. *This is an
article in the Skeptical Ensquirer, by Dr. David Morrison, the Senior
Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, at

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/disinf...lobal_warming/

Where is the argument? Who rationally thinks that global warming HAS
NOT been going on for the past 12,000 years, since the end of the last
period of glaciation. How long has it been since the Great Lakes
remained frozen over throughout the summer? How long has it been since
there was so much sea water removed and converted into polar ice that
the Bering Straight was a land bridge between what is now Russia and
Alaska? How long has it been since those Neanderthals could walk from
what is now France to Spain, across the Straight of Gibraltar without
getting their feet wet?

And, the really BIG question is, how much longer do we have before
this planet starts sinking back into the next period of glaciation? We
are overdue here, if this current cycle follows the same pattern that
previous cycles followed.

As long as we hold onto our moon, there's never going to be another
ice age (not even any little dip).

~ BG

Brad, are you implying that, in the past, our moon left this planet
each time a prolonged period of glaciation began, then came back to
warm things up about 100,000 years later? The periodic recurrence of
periods of glaciation followed by interglacial warm periods has
happened before. This whole cycle usually takes about 115,000 years.

"Antares 531" wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT), stargene
| wrote:
|
| With Congress's recent clueless shelving of any legislation in
| response to global
| warming, I found the following synopsis of arguments in support of
| climatologists'
| warnings about the issue to be very clear and persuasive. This is an
| article in the Skeptical Ensquirer, by Dr. David Morrison, the Senior
| Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, at
|
| http://www.csicop.org/si/show/disinf...lobal_warming/
| Where is the argument? Who rationally thinks that global warming HAS
| NOT been going on for the past 12,000 years, since the end of the last
| period of glaciation. How long has it been since the Great Lakes
| remained frozen over throughout the summer? How long has it been since
| there was so much sea water removed and converted into polar ice that
| the Bering Straight was a land bridge between what is now Russia and
| Alaska? How long has it been since those Neanderthals could walk from
| what is now France to Spain, across the Straight of Gibraltar without
| getting their feet wet?

Errr... check your geography. The Straight of Gibraltar lies between
Spain and Morocco. The Pyrenees separate France from Spain. Ask
the Tour-de-France competitors, they know all about mountain climbing.
Perhaps it would be more appropriate to refer to the North Sea.
Fishing trawlers working the area have dredged up large amounts of moor
peat, remains of mammoth and rhinoceros, and occasionally Paleolithic
hunting artefacts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank


| And, the really BIG question is, how much longer do we have before
| this planet starts sinking back into the next period of glaciation? We
| are overdue here, if this current cycle follows the same pattern that
| previous cycles followed.
|

On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:42:03 +0100, "Androcles"
wrote:


"Antares 531" wrote in message
.. .
| On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT), stargene
| wrote:
|
| With Congress's recent clueless shelving of any legislation in
| response to global
| warming, I found the following synopsis of arguments in support of
| climatologists'
| warnings about the issue to be very clear and persuasive. This is an
| article in the Skeptical Ensquirer, by Dr. David Morrison, the Senior
| Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, at
|
| http://www.csicop.org/si/show/disinf...lobal_warming/
| Where is the argument? Who rationally thinks that global warming HAS
| NOT been going on for the past 12,000 years, since the end of the last
| period of glaciation. How long has it been since the Great Lakes
| remained frozen over throughout the summer? How long has it been since
| there was so much sea water removed and converted into polar ice that
| the Bering Straight was a land bridge between what is now Russia and
| Alaska? How long has it been since those Neanderthals could walk from
| what is now France to Spain, across the Straight of Gibraltar without
| getting their feet wet?

Errr... check your geography. The Straight of Gibraltar lies between
Spain and Morocco. The Pyrenees separate France from Spain. Ask
the Tour-de-France competitors, they know all about mountain climbing.
Perhaps it would be more appropriate to refer to the North Sea.
Fishing trawlers working the area have dredged up large amounts of moor
peat, remains of mammoth and rhinoceros, and occasionally Paleolithic
hunting artefacts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank

My error. I should have said, "between Spain and Morocco" but got
things mixed up a bit. Sorry.

| And, the really BIG question is, how much longer do we have before
| this planet starts sinking back into the next period of glaciation? We
| are overdue here, if this current cycle follows the same pattern that
| previous cycles followed.
|

"Antares 531" wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:42:03 +0100, "Androcles"
| wrote:
|
|
| "Antares 531" wrote in message
| .. .
| | On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT), stargene
| | wrote:
| |
| | With Congress's recent clueless shelving of any legislation in
| | response to global
| | warming, I found the following synopsis of arguments in support of
| | climatologists'
| | warnings about the issue to be very clear and persuasive. This is an
| | article in the Skeptical Ensquirer, by Dr. David Morrison, the Senior
| | Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, at
| |
| | http://www.csicop.org/si/show/disinf...lobal_warming/
| | Where is the argument? Who rationally thinks that global warming HAS
| | NOT been going on for the past 12,000 years, since the end of the last
| | period of glaciation. How long has it been since the Great Lakes
| | remained frozen over throughout the summer? How long has it been since
| | there was so much sea water removed and converted into polar ice that
| | the Bering Straight was a land bridge between what is now Russia and
| | Alaska? How long has it been since those Neanderthals could walk from
| | what is now France to Spain, across the Straight of Gibraltar without
| | getting their feet wet?
|
| Errr... check your geography. The Straight of Gibraltar lies between
| Spain and Morocco. The Pyrenees separate France from Spain. Ask
| the Tour-de-France competitors, they know all about mountain climbing.
| Perhaps it would be more appropriate to refer to the North Sea.
| Fishing trawlers working the area have dredged up large amounts of moor
| peat, remains of mammoth and rhinoceros, and occasionally Paleolithic
| hunting artefacts.
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank
|
| My error. I should have said, "between Spain and Morocco" but got
| things mixed up a bit. Sorry.

No big deal, but the Straight of Gibraltar is about 3000 feet deep. The
Dogger Bank is about 50 feet below sea level. Not much chance of
finding a land bridge from Africa to Europe, it would have been done
by dogga or walking the long way around via Turkey. Not that any of
this changes global warming HAS been going on for the past 12,000
years, since the end of the last period of glaciation. With that I fully
concur. Blaming it on CO2 is just plain silly and doesn't matter anyway.
Coastal cities are rebuilt inside a century by simply tearing down old
buildings and putting up new ones. Nobody cares that the Sahara is
currently a desert, people have moved away long ago. The Earth is
a dynamic system that will take care of itself, with or without humanity.
We have no control over it and Nature does not bend to our wishful
thinking. Still, it is fun jerking the bozos around, so do carry on.



|
| | And, the really BIG question is, how much longer do we have before
| | this planet starts sinking back into the next period of glaciation? We
| | are overdue here, if this current cycle follows the same pattern that
| | previous cycles followed.
| |
|

On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 02:13:39 +0100, "Androcles"
wrote:


"Antares 531" wrote in message
.. .
| On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:42:03 +0100, "Androcles"
| wrote:
|
|
| "Antares 531" wrote in message
| .. .
| | On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT), stargene
| | wrote:
| |
| | With Congress's recent clueless shelving of any legislation in
| | response to global
| | warming, I found the following synopsis of arguments in support of
| | climatologists'
| | warnings about the issue to be very clear and persuasive. This is an
| | article in the Skeptical Ensquirer, by Dr. David Morrison, the Senior
| | Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, at
| |
| | http://www.csicop.org/si/show/disinf...lobal_warming/
| | Where is the argument? Who rationally thinks that global warming HAS
| | NOT been going on for the past 12,000 years, since the end of the last
| | period of glaciation. How long has it been since the Great Lakes
| | remained frozen over throughout the summer? How long has it been since
| | there was so much sea water removed and converted into polar ice that
| | the Bering Straight was a land bridge between what is now Russia and
| | Alaska? How long has it been since those Neanderthals could walk from
| | what is now France to Spain, across the Straight of Gibraltar without
| | getting their feet wet?
|
| Errr... check your geography. The Straight of Gibraltar lies between
| Spain and Morocco. The Pyrenees separate France from Spain. Ask
| the Tour-de-France competitors, they know all about mountain climbing.
| Perhaps it would be more appropriate to refer to the North Sea.
| Fishing trawlers working the area have dredged up large amounts of moor
| peat, remains of mammoth and rhinoceros, and occasionally Paleolithic
| hunting artefacts.
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank
|
| My error. I should have said, "between Spain and Morocco" but got
| things mixed up a bit. Sorry.

No big deal, but the Straight of Gibraltar is about 3000 feet deep. The
Dogger Bank is about 50 feet below sea level. Not much chance of
finding a land bridge from Africa to Europe, it would have been done
by dogga or walking the long way around via Turkey. Not that any of
this changes global warming HAS been going on for the past 12,000
years, since the end of the last period of glaciation. With that I fully
concur. Blaming it on CO2 is just plain silly and doesn't matter anyway.
Coastal cities are rebuilt inside a century by simply tearing down old
buildings and putting up new ones. Nobody cares that the Sahara is
currently a desert, people have moved away long ago. The Earth is
a dynamic system that will take care of itself, with or without humanity.
We have no control over it and Nature does not bend to our wishful
thinking. Still, it is fun jerking the bozos around, so do carry on.

True, but it hasn't always been this way. When the ocean level got to
the point that water began to flow over the Straight of Gibraltar
bridge it washed a lot of it away.

I have no data on this, but I wonder if the warming oceans are
producing much more plant life, and this increase in plant life may be
sequestering more CO2 than our industrial pollution is releasing.


|
| | And, the really BIG question is, how much longer do we have before
| | this planet starts sinking back into the next period of glaciation? We
| | are overdue here, if this current cycle follows the same pattern that
| | previous cycles followed.
| |
|