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Saturn 1/1B Extant Hardware
For those interested, here are images of all of the
existing Saturn 1/1B test and flight stages/vehicles that I'm aware of. I believe that two of these have been off limits to general public viewing since 9/11/01. SA-T Saturn C-1 static test booster at Huntsville, AL (The very first Saturn, completed in 1960) "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10626&Y=76632&W=2&qs=%7c huntsville%7cal%7c" SA-D1 Saturn C-1 Block I dynamic test vehicle at Hunstville, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10601&Y=76691&W=2&qs=%7c huntsville%7cal%7c" SA-D5 Saturn C-1 Block II dynamic test vehicle at Hunstville, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10632&Y=76820&W=2&qs=%7c huntsville%7cal%7c" SA-211 Saturn 1B (with dummy S-IVB stage) at Ardmore, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=16&X=2549&Y=19340&W=2&qs=%7c huntsville%7cal%7c" SIVB-211 (displayed as dummy Skylab just left of Saturn V) at Huntsville, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10632&Y=76818&W=2&qs=%7c huntsville%7cal%7c" SA-209 Saturn 1B at KSC "http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kennedy+space+center,+fl&ll=28.524113,-80.682929&spn=0.003741,0.005239&t=k&hl=en" - Ed Kyle |
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:05:47 -0500, Ed Kyle wrote
(in article .com): For those interested, here are images of all of the existing Saturn 1/1B test and flight stages/vehicles that I'm aware of. I believe that two of these have been off limits to general public viewing since 9/11/01. SA-T Saturn C-1 static test booster at Huntsville, AL (The very first Saturn, completed in 1960) "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10626&Y= 76632& W=2&qs=%7chuntsville%7cal%7c" I drove past that one once, years ago. SA-D1 Saturn C-1 Block I dynamic test vehicle at Hunstville, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10601&Y= 76691& W=2&qs=%7chuntsville%7cal%7c" The MSFC Security Office used to be near there, where you'd go to drop off applications for contractor security badges, vehicle passes, etc. SA-D5 Saturn C-1 Block II dynamic test vehicle at Hunstville, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10632&Y= 76820& W=2&qs=%7chuntsville%7cal%7c" That one USED to be the one they'd decorate with Christmas lights visible from Highway 20 and I-565 until they built the S-V mockup, correct? SA-211 Saturn 1B (with dummy S-IVB stage) at Ardmore, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=16&X=2549&Y= 19340& W=2&qs=%7chuntsville%7cal%7c" Driven past it many times. SIVB-211 (displayed as dummy Skylab just left of Saturn V) at Huntsville, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10632&Y= 76818& W=2&qs=%7chuntsville%7cal%7c" Has that always been displayed that way? I don't remember it at all. Didn't there used to be an engineering mockup of the Skylab workshop inside the main hall of Space and Rocket Center? Or am I mis-remembering? I used to have a few dozen photos of all the stuff there in the early 90's, but they disappeared during the divorce. :-/ SA-209 Saturn 1B at KSC "http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kennedy+space+center,+fl&ll=28.524113,- 80.68292 9&spn=0.003741,0.005239&t=k&hl=en" Still on my list to see someday. - Ed Kyle -- Herb Schaltegger, GPG Key ID: BBF6FC1C "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 http://www.individual-i.com/ |
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Herb Schaltegger wrote: On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:05:47 -0500, Ed Kyle wrote (in article .com): SIVB-211 (displayed as dummy Skylab just left of Saturn V) at Huntsville, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10632&Y=76818&W=2&qs=%7c huntsville%7cal%7c" Has that always been displayed that way? I don't remember it at all. Didn't there used to be an engineering mockup of the Skylab workshop inside the main hall of Space and Rocket Center? Or am I mis-remembering? I used to have a few dozen photos of all the stuff there in the early 90's, but they disappeared during the divorce. :-/ Until 1979, this S-IVB stage appears to have been displayed horizontally with the SA-211 first stage on the grounds of Marshall Space Flight Center. It would have moved to the museum after the first stage was moved to Ardmore in 1980 or so. There is a chance that SA-211 may have been shipped to Japan for a couple of years during the mid-1970s, but I've never been able to confirm this. The SA-T stage at the MSFC test area is the oldest and, in my opinion, most historic Saturn. It was the very first Saturn that performed 31 static test firings on the East Tower, for example. This is the booster that von Braun and Co. would have spent more time tinkering with than any other. This was the hardware that taught them how to build big rockets. SA-T is unquestionably in worse shape, exterior- wise, than any other Saturn hardware I've seen - and I've seen almost all of them now. But SA-T also seems to have been preserved better, in some ways, than other Saturn stages. It was hardly modified for display, like SA-211, so it appears much the same way it did the last time MSFC personnel turned a bolt on it. It has a complete set of early H-1 engines all in their proper places, for example, and it has turbopump exhaust ducts that are not present on other displayed boosters, etc. It still has a 120 inch diameter interstage truss part designed to support the orignally planned Titan second stage! It has holes drilled in it that show where some brackets were originally positioned, then repositioned, etc. It has patches riveted over patches. A technological historian could spend a career on it, I suspect. - Ed Kyle |
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Ed Kyle wrote:
Herb Schaltegger wrote: On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:05:47 -0500, Ed Kyle wrote (in article .com): SIVB-211 (displayed as dummy Skylab just left of Saturn V) at Huntsville, AL "http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=16&X=10632&Y=7681 8&W=2&qs=%7chuntsville%7cal%7c" Has that always been displayed that way? I don't remember it at all. Didn't there used to be an engineering mockup of the Skylab workshop inside the main hall of Space and Rocket Center? Or am I mis-remembering? I used to have a few dozen photos of all the stuff there in the early 90's, but they disappeared during the divorce. :-/ Until 1979, this S-IVB stage appears to have been displayed horizontally with the SA-211 first stage on the grounds of Marshall Space Flight Center. It would have moved to the museum after the first stage was moved to Ardmore in 1980 or so. There is a chance that SA-211 may have been shipped to Japan for a couple of years during the mid-1970s, but I've never been able to confirm this. It is the SA 209 shipped at kaan expo during mid 1970 The SA-T stage at the MSFC test area is the oldest and, in my opinion, most historic Saturn. It was the very first Saturn that performed 31 static test firings on the East Tower, for example. This is the booster that von Braun and Co. would have spent more time tinkering with than any other. This was the hardware that taught them how to build big rockets. SA-T is unquestionably in worse shape, exterior- wise, than any other Saturn hardware I've seen - and I've seen almost all of them now. But SA-T also seems to have been preserved better, in some ways, than other Saturn stages. It was hardly modified for display, like SA-211, so it appears much the same way it did the last time MSFC personnel turned a bolt on it. It has a complete set of early H-1 engines all in their proper places, for example, and it has turbopump exhaust ducts that are not present on other displayed boosters, etc. It still has a 120 inch diameter interstage truss part designed to support the orignally planned Titan second stage! It has holes drilled in it that show where some brackets were originally positioned, then repositioned, etc. It has patches riveted over patches. A technological historian could spend a career on it, I suspect. - Ed Kyle -- Cordialement, Didier Capdevila webmaster de capcomespace.net, le site de l'espace. Rédacteur à Espace Magazine, le magazine de la conquête de l'espace |
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SA-D1 Saturn C-1 Block I dynamic test vehicle at Hunstville, AL
The MSFC Security Office used to be near there, where you'd go to drop off applications for contractor security badges, vehicle passes, etc. It still is. The Saturn and the other rockets in that little park look *aweful.* They are in massive need of refurb. I walked around 'em a year ago or so and took a couple dozen photos; one of these days I'll do something with 'em... |
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"Ed Kyle" wrote:
There is a chance that SA-211 may have been shipped to Japan for a couple of years during the mid-1970s, but I've never been able to confirm this. How in the heck could anyone not have a record of something back being gone for a while and them coming back? D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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"Ed Kyle" wrote in message oups.com... SA-209 Saturn 1B at KSC "http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kennedy+space+center,+fl&ll=28.524113,-80.682929&spn=0.003741,0.005239&t=k&hl=en" I have a fairly good shot from last Friday of the rocket garden at KSC VC, taken from one of the NASA Hueys with my trusty D70. http://www.kissimmeeprairie.org/photo_album.html |
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