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Old November 24th 13, 12:34 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default Did you know that you can fly in Titan by flapping your (winged) arms?

"Next time you go to Titan—one of Saturn's moons—remember this
cool factoid: "The atmosphere is so thick and the gravity so
low that humans could fly through it by flapping 'wings'
attached to their arms" as pointed out in Robert Zubrin's
Entering Space: Creating a Spacefaring Civilization. How
awesome would that be?"

See:

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/did-you-kn...587/@jesusdiaz
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Old November 24th 13, 09:00 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Le 24/11/2013 02:42, Orval Fairbairn a écrit :
In article ,
wrote:

"Next time you go to Titan‹one of Saturn's moons‹remember this
cool factoid: "The atmosphere is so thick and the gravity so
low that humans could fly through it by flapping 'wings'
attached to their arms" as pointed out in Robert Zubrin's
Entering Space: Creating a Spacefaring Civilization. How
awesome would that be?"

See:

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/did-you-kn...-by-flapping-y
our-1470435587/@jesusdiaz


.... if you can breathe methane!

.... and feel confortable at -180 celsius (-291 Fahrenheit) !


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Old November 24th 13, 10:45 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:34:07 PM UTC+13, wrote:
"Next time you go to Titan—one of Saturn's moons—remember this

cool factoid: "The atmosphere is so thick and the gravity so

low that humans could fly through it by flapping 'wings'

attached to their arms" as pointed out in Robert Zubrin's

Entering Space: Creating a Spacefaring Civilization. How

awesome would that be?"



See:



http://sploid.gizmodo.com/did-you-kn...587/@jesusdiaz


Saturn is visible in the morning sky this week!
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/ataglance

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/science/i...iencePageID=73

At present Saturn and its moon Titan is 1.5 trillion meters away. To traverse this distance at one gee requires 9 days of travel. At the half-way point 4.5 days out you would be travelling at 3,835 km/sec or 1.27% the speed of light!

To travel to Saturn and back at one gee, using a fusion powered rocket, propelled by Lithium-6 Deuteride, requires that 50.2% of the take off weight of the rocket is propellant.

An 85 kg astronaut carrying 75 kg hardware and consumables, including a long duration mechanical counter-pressure space suit known as a biosuit, and including a MEMS based fusion powered rocket belt, will survive for 20 days in space. A total of 160 kg inert mass. Thus 321.3 kg is the take off weight and 161.3 kg of this is fusion fuel. This is 190 litres of lithium-6 deuteride. This is a dozen spheres 312 mm (12.25 inches) in diameter. Each one massing 15.8 kg (34.8 lbs)

SO, we're imagining a device similar to this from the front

http://www.damngeeky.com/wp-content/...type-P12-2.jpg

and this from the back

http://www.instash.com/wp-content/up...p12-martin.jpg

powered by inertial confinement aneutronic fusion rockets - with the driver wearing something like this

http://girlofthe21stcentury.files.wo...1/biosuit2.jpg

http://asset3.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d...02_399x600.jpg

http://www.msichicago.org/fileadmin/...n/biosuit..jpg




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Old November 24th 13, 11:14 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default Did you know that you can fly in Titan by flapping your (winged) arms?

On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:45:27 AM UTC+13, William Mook wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:34:07 PM UTC+13, wrote:

"Next time you go to Titan—one of Saturn's moons—remember this




cool factoid: "The atmosphere is so thick and the gravity so




low that humans could fly through it by flapping 'wings'




attached to their arms" as pointed out in Robert Zubrin's




Entering Space: Creating a Spacefaring Civilization. How




awesome would that be?"








See:








http://sploid.gizmodo.com/did-you-kn...587/@jesusdiaz




Saturn is visible in the morning sky this week!

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/ataglance



http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/science/i...iencePageID=73



At present Saturn and its moon Titan is 1.5 trillion meters away. To traverse this distance at one gee requires 9 days of travel. At the half-way point 4.5 days out you would be travelling at 3,835 km/sec or 1.27% the speed of light!



To travel to Saturn and back at one gee, using a fusion powered rocket, propelled by Lithium-6 Deuteride, requires that 50.2% of the take off weight of the rocket is propellant.



An 85 kg astronaut carrying 75 kg hardware and consumables, including a long duration mechanical counter-pressure space suit known as a biosuit, and including a MEMS based fusion powered rocket belt, will survive for 20 days in space. A total of 160 kg inert mass. Thus 321.3 kg is the take off weight and 161.3 kg of this is fusion fuel. This is 190 litres of lithium-6 deuteride. This is a dozen spheres 312 mm (12.25 inches) in diameter. Each one massing 15.8 kg (34.8 lbs)



SO, we're imagining a device similar to this from the front



http://www.damngeeky.com/wp-content/...type-P12-2.jpg



and this from the back



http://www.instash.com/wp-content/up...p12-martin.jpg



powered by inertial confinement aneutronic fusion rockets - with the driver wearing something like this



http://girlofthe21stcentury.files.wo...1/biosuit2.jpg



http://asset3.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d...02_399x600.jpg



http://www.msichicago.org/fileadmin/...gn/biosuit.jpg


A two gee boost will take you anywhere on Earth in 40 minutes or less. Which is pretty cool. You can get to the Moon in about 3 hours and 45 minutes..

http://www-mgcm.arc.nasa.gov/MarsToday/marstotal.gif

Mars is reached today in about 5 days of travel. Top speed here is 0.7% light speed.

It would be nice to have an automated flight control system and a bench that reclines so that you wouldn't have to stand the entire interval. Data suit/data glove technology with 3D heads up display, provides seamless control and virtual reality suite capabilities.
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Old November 25th 13, 04:13 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default Did you know that you can fly in Titan by flapping your (winged)arms?

On 11/23/2013 8:42 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

"Next time you go to Titan‹one of Saturn's moons‹remember this
cool factoid: "The atmosphere is so thick and the gravity so
low that humans could fly through it by flapping 'wings'
attached to their arms" as pointed out in Robert Zubrin's
Entering Space: Creating a Spacefaring Civilization. How
awesome would that be?"

See:

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/did-you-kn...-by-flapping-y
our-1470435587/@jesusdiaz


.... if you can breathe methane!


Did you know that human beings can generate enough delta-v with a little
assist from hand weights to put themselves into orbit around Deimos?

http://wermenh.com/deimos.html


Dave

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Old November 26th 13, 01:40 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:13:48 AM UTC+13, David Spain wrote:
On 11/23/2013 8:42 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,


wrote:




"Next time you go to Titan�one of Saturn's moons�remember this


cool factoid: "The atmosphere is so thick and the gravity so


low that humans could fly through it by flapping 'wings'


attached to their arms" as pointed out in Robert Zubrin's


Entering Space: Creating a Spacefaring Civilization. How


awesome would that be?"




See:




http://sploid.gizmodo.com/did-you-kn...-by-flapping-y

our-1470435587/@jesusdiaz




.... if you can breathe methane!






Did you know that human beings can generate enough delta-v with a little

assist from hand weights to put themselves into orbit around Deimos?



http://wermenh.com/deimos.html




Dave


Escape Velocity of Diemos is 20 kph (12.4 mph) and an orbital speed of 14.1 kph (8.8 mph).

An outstanding vertical jump on Earth is between 1 meters and 1.3 meters. This implies a vertical velocity of 15.9 kph to 18.2 kph.

Now, a baseball can be thrown at a speed of 145 kph (91 mph) and masses 0.15 kg.

So, once achieving a secure footing, a person could jump a kilometre or more into the sky from the surface of Diemos, and then toss a series of baseballs to attain orbital velocity as they fell. Starting at zero velocity tangential velocity, 20 kph would be added by ejecting 84 baseballs at 145 kph

They could also launch themselves into a ballistic trajectory and travel long distances across the face of Diemos.

Launching into a tangential ballistic trajectory minimizes the baseballs that must be carried and thrown away to circularize the orbit at the apoapsis of the suborbital trajectory.



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Old November 26th 13, 04:24 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:14:46 PM UTC-8, William Mook wrote:
On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:45:27 AM UTC+13, William Mook wrote:

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:34:07 PM UTC+13, wrote:




"Next time you go to Titan—one of Saturn's moons—remember this








cool factoid: "The atmosphere is so thick and the gravity so








low that humans could fly through it by flapping 'wings'








attached to their arms" as pointed out in Robert Zubrin's








Entering Space: Creating a Spacefaring Civilization. How








awesome would that be?"
















See:
















http://sploid.gizmodo.com/did-you-kn...587/@jesusdiaz








Saturn is visible in the morning sky this week!




http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/ataglance








http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/science/i...iencePageID=73








At present Saturn and its moon Titan is 1.5 trillion meters away. To traverse this distance at one gee requires 9 days of travel. At the half-way point 4.5 days out you would be travelling at 3,835 km/sec or 1.27% the speed of light!








To travel to Saturn and back at one gee, using a fusion powered rocket, propelled by Lithium-6 Deuteride, requires that 50.2% of the take off weight of the rocket is propellant.








An 85 kg astronaut carrying 75 kg hardware and consumables, including a long duration mechanical counter-pressure space suit known as a biosuit, and including a MEMS based fusion powered rocket belt, will survive for 20 days in space. A total of 160 kg inert mass. Thus 321.3 kg is the take off weight and 161.3 kg of this is fusion fuel. This is 190 litres of lithium-6 deuteride. This is a dozen spheres 312 mm (12.25 inches) in diameter. Each one massing 15.8 kg (34.8 lbs)








SO, we're imagining a device similar to this from the front








http://www.damngeeky.com/wp-content/...type-P12-2.jpg








and this from the back








http://www.instash.com/wp-content/up...p12-martin.jpg








powered by inertial confinement aneutronic fusion rockets - with the driver wearing something like this








http://girlofthe21stcentury.files.wo...1/biosuit2.jpg








http://asset3.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d...02_399x600.jpg








http://www.msichicago.org/fileadmin/...gn/biosuit.jpg




A two gee boost will take you anywhere on Earth in 40 minutes or less. Which is pretty cool. You can get to the Moon in about 3 hours and 45 minutes.



http://www-mgcm.arc.nasa.gov/MarsToday/marstotal.gif



Mars is reached today in about 5 days of travel. Top speed here is 0.7% light speed.



It would be nice to have an automated flight control system and a bench that reclines so that you wouldn't have to stand the entire interval. Data suit/data glove technology with 3D heads up display, provides seamless control and virtual reality suite capabilities.


Is the "two gee boost" of 19.613 m/s/s offering the same physiological affect in deep space as it relates to being launched away from the surface of Earth?
 




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