Happy Columbus Day

Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to
Columbus and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil Armstrong,
Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins and many other explorers who have helped open new
frontiers. May the exploration continue, regardless of the cost, its worth
it.

Ray

Ray wrote:
Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to
Columbus and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil Armstrong,
Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins and many other explorers

Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini

to name a few

who have helped open new
frontiers. May the exploration continue, regardless of the cost, its worth
it.

wrote:
Ray wrote:
Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to
Columbus and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil Armstron=
g,
Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins and many other explorers

Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini



Hey I'm as flag-waving as we Americans come, but might we not also add
the names of Yuri Gagarin, Sergei Krikalev, or even folks like
Jean-Loup Chr=E9tien, Franco Malerba Helen Sharman, Sigmund J=E4hn, and
others to our list of explorers? After all, they, like Columbus, are
European too.

So, Western European space programs have always made NASA luck
positively flush by comparison. Even then, their unmanned programs are
extremely impressive of late, and any relative lack of achievement in
space by any individual European nation can hardly be ascribed to a
lack of talent, technology, or individual courage. A lack of money?
Sure. A national lack of will? Outside of the the Russians? Yeah.
Maybe. Sometimes.

But if the US gets flabby in that area too, I can easily see the game
being left to the Russians, Chinese, and the French.

frank

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Ray wrote:
Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to
Columbus and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil
Armstrong,
Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins and many other explorers

Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini



Hey I'm as flag-waving as we Americans come, but might we not also add
the names of Yuri Gagarin, Sergei Krikalev, or even folks like
Jean-Loup Chrétien, Franco Malerba Helen Sharman, Sigmund Jähn, and
others to our list of explorers? After all, they, like Columbus, are
European too.

Yes, we can add thoes explorers

So, Western European space programs have always made NASA luck
positively flush by comparison. Even then, their unmanned programs are
extremely impressive of late, and any relative lack of achievement in
space by any individual European nation can hardly be ascribed to a
lack of talent, technology, or individual courage. A lack of money?
Sure. A national lack of will? Outside of the the Russians? Yeah.
Maybe. Sometimes.

But if the US gets flabby in that area too, I can easily see the game
being left to the Russians, Chinese, and the French.

frank
Yes

wrote:
wrote:
Ray wrote:
Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to
Columbus and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil Armstr=
ong,
Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins and many other explorers

Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini



Hey I'm as flag-waving as we Americans come, but might we not also add
the names of Yuri Gagarin, Sergei Krikalev, or even folks like
Jean-Loup Chr=E9tien, Franco Malerba Helen Sharman, Sigmund J=E4hn, and

I beg to differ. It was Werner von Brown and Sergey Korolev who made it
happen. Gagarin, Armstrong were replaceable parts, in fact, any monkey
would do.

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Ray wrote:

Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to Columbus
and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin,
Mike Collins and many other explorers

Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini

Hey I'm as flag-waving as we Americans come, but might we not also add the
names of Yuri Gagarin, Sergei Krikalev, or even folks like Jean-Loup Chrétien,
Franco Malerba Helen Sharman, Sigmund Jähn, and others to our list of
explorers? After all, they, like Columbus, are European too.

So, Western European space programs have always made NASA luck positively
flush by comparison. Even then, their unmanned programs are extremely
impressive of late, and any relative lack of achievement in space by any
individual European nation can hardly be ascribed to a lack of talent,
technology, or individual courage. A lack of money? Sure. A national lack of
will? Outside of the the Russians? Yeah. Maybe. Sometimes.

But if the US gets flabby in that area too, I can easily see the game being
left to the Russians, Chinese, and the French.

I'll buy adding the Russians but other Europeans, no. Look at a globe. They
are the huddled masses. The ones yearning to be free have left. How much
individual courage does it take to send a robot in your place?

George Evans

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Ray wrote:
Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to
Columbus and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil
Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins and many other explorers

Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini

Those aren't explorers. Those are tools used by explorers.

This does seem to be a problem peculiar to space. When Dr. Robert Ballard
sent the remote submersible Jason Junior into the Titanic, the news media
properly credited Ballard with the exploration, not the submersible.

Dr. Dennis Matson is an explorer. Cassini is not - it's a tool used by
Matson and his team to explore Saturn.

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I beg to differ. It was Werner von Brown and Sergey Korolev who made it
happen. Gagarin, Armstrong were replaceable parts, in fact, any monkey
would do.



As long as it was cute and personality-filled that is:
This monkey would do: http://membres.lycos.fr/marsetsf/rc2/snap00866.jpg
This one is personality-filled, but would be cramped if housed in the
Apollo CM: http://www.aintitcool.com/images/kongteaser.jpg

Pat

"Jorge R. Frank" wrote:

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Ray wrote:
Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to
Columbus and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil
Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins and many other explorers

Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini

Those aren't explorers. Those are tools used by explorers.

This does seem to be a problem peculiar to space. When Dr. Robert Ballard
sent the remote submersible Jason Junior into the Titanic, the news media
properly credited Ballard with the exploration, not the submersible.

Dr. Ballard was onboard support ship when he was not onboard the
Alvin. He actually placed himself at some personal hazard and
participated directly in the exploration.

Dr. Dennis Matson is an explorer. Cassini is not - it's a tool used by
Matson and his team to explore Saturn.

Dr. Matson faces no hazards beyond traffic and excessive salt and fat
in the cafeteria food. He participates in the exploration at a great
remove.

Little wonder he is counted differently. (I adress the correctness
not at all - I merely indicate that there are very real differences.)

D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Jorge R. Frank ) wrote:
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: Ray wrote:
: Today is Columbus day in America, so I would like to pay tribute to
: Columbus and other great explorers like Lewis and Clark, Neil
: Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins and many other explorers
:
: Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini

: Those aren't explorers. Those are tools used by explorers.

: This does seem to be a problem peculiar to space. When Dr. Robert Ballard
: sent the remote submersible Jason Junior into the Titanic, the news media
: properly credited Ballard with the exploration, not the submersible.

: Dr. Dennis Matson is an explorer. Cassini is not - it's a tool used by
: Matson and his team to explore Saturn.

Point well taken. The problem is listing every person that helped with a
mission is much harder to do than listing the mission. Inevitably, someone
will be left out. It is as bad as the Oscars, when someone starts to
thank all that helped.

Eric

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