AUTISM = "no drive to explore"

Erik Max Francis wrote:
wrote:

Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.

You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.

I disagree. So do experts in the mental health field. It is *not*
healthy to lack the drive to explore.

Pat Flannery wrote:

Dittos on that, Mr. Francis.

Are you one of those cranks who believes "psychiatry is all fraud?" You
must be, if you believe it is perfectly normal to lack a drive to
explore. That is a prime symptom of autism, and autism is *not* normal.

L. Merk wrote:

Are you one of those cranks who believes "psychiatry is all fraud?" You
must be, if you believe it is perfectly normal to lack a drive to
explore. That is a prime symptom of autism, and autism is *not* normal.

No, probably just another one of those radicals who thinks that
argumentum ad hominem isn't a sign of intellectual honesty.

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On 5 Jun 2005 05:52:08 -0400, in a place far, far away,
(William December Starr) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic
lack the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few
things about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to
lack a drive to explore.

Hey. Look down. See that shark you've just jumped over?

"Jumping the shark" implies that there was ever any positive value to
his output prior to that point, relative to which shark jumping would
represent a disappointing decline...

On 5 Jun 2005 11:18:35 -0700, "L. Merk" wrote:



Erik Max Francis wrote:
wrote:

Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.

You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.

I disagree. So do experts in the mental health field. It is *not*
healthy to lack the drive to explore.

And yet most people do not in fact spend time going to new places to
see what is there.

"L. Merk" wrote in message
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Erik Max Francis wrote:
wrote:

Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic
lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive
to
explore.

You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.

I disagree. So do experts in the mental health field. It is *not*
healthy to lack the drive to explore.

It is, however, perfectly healthy to lack the drive to explore
*geographically*, when the exploratory drive can be fulfilled much more
cheaply and usually with better guaranteed return on investment by other
means. Such as exploring the library. Or exploring a drop of water under a
microscope. Or to explore the social structure of your home town out in the
stix where you intend to live your whole life (using 'you' in the general
sense, there). Just to provide three examples.

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Erik Max Francis wrote:

No, probably just another one of those radicals who thinks that
argumentum ad hominem isn't a sign of intellectual honesty.

I admit, I'm playing the bad cop in this thread.

He reacted *beautifully*, don't you think?

Nothing like a stress test to find defect(ive)s.

Paul

Logan Kearsley wrote:

It is, however, perfectly healthy to lack the drive to explore
*geographically*, when the exploratory drive can be fulfilled much more
cheaply and usually with better guaranteed return on investment by other
means. Such as exploring the library. Or exploring a drop of water under a
microscope. Or to explore the social structure of your home town out in the
stix where you intend to live your whole life (using 'you' in the general
sense, there). Just to provide three examples.



Or explore for fossils under a big piece of sandstone...that's how I
discovered the wasp nest. :-)

Pat

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Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely
autistic lack the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could
explain a few things about certain posters in these newsgroups,
who claim to lack a drive to explore.

"And how do you educate severely autistic children? How do you
teach those who, for the most part, have no language, and no
particular compulsion to acquire it, who are BORN WITHOUT THE
NEED TO EXPLORE THE WORLD, who would rather spin round and round
in a circle, or do the same jigsaw over and over again, than
play games with their peers, who won't make eye-contact, or
copy, and who fight bitterly (and sometimes literally, with
nails and teeth and small fists) for the right to remain sealed
in their own world?" - Nick Hornby, renown expert on autism

Alas what can be seen from that above sentence is autistic children
are never bored, thus they are never doing something new.
(And I know you can be bored by travel too.)

I also remember about words from a non autistic woman. "When I was
teenager I traveled half states without money. Now I'm afraid to
move just 50 miles to other city to visit..." It seems that
teenagers that liked a lot of change are becoming much strongely
against ANY change later.
It also seems, but nobody IIRC tried it that amount of neophobia in
persons that didn't moved around a lot as teenagers, doesn't grow
so drastically, or at all.

Joseph Hertzlinger m :

On 4 Jun 2005 07:33:22 -0700, wrote:

Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.

"And how do you educate severely autistic children? How do you teach
those who, for the most part, have no language, and no particular
compulsion to acquire it, who are BORN WITHOUT THE NEED TO EXPLORE THE
WORLD, who would rather spin round and round in a circle, or do the
same jigsaw over and over again, than play games with their peers, who
won't make eye-contact, or copy, and who fight bitterly (and sometimes
literally, with nails and teeth and small fists) for the right to
remain sealed in their own world?" - Nick Hornby, renown expert on
autism

Asperger's syndrome (which might be a mild form of autism) is
frequently mentioned on rec.arts.sf.fandom since some of the
descriptions sound like sf fandom.

ObSF: Focus in "A Deepness in the Sky" by Vernor Vinge

P.S.: June 18 is Autistic Pride Day.

How Focus is to the point that you will starve to death because you don't
bother eating at all. If I really get into a programmin problem I may spend
an entire day without eating but sooner or later the stomach overrides the
mind.

Earl Colby Pottinger

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