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Old February 17th 13, 05:36 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of a sand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt for gravitational waves!

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23177-sandgrainsized-drum-extends-reach-of-quantum-theory.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news



The uncertainty principle was misnamed. It should have been termed:

The momentum/position anomaly.

Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...

momentum = mass x velocity

Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. Then you
will know the car's momentum.

Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.

So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.

All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. WAIT! BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!

Never mind.


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Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Remember that a kick in the ass is a step forward."
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Old February 18th 13, 10:48 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of asand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt forgravitational waves!

On Feb 17, 9:36*am, Painius wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A

wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23177-sandgrainsized-drum-exten...NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news


The uncertainty principle was misnamed. *It should have been termed:

* The momentum/position anomaly.

Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. *Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...

* momentum = mass x velocity

Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. *Then you
will know the car's momentum.

Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. *So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.

So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.

All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. *WAIT! *BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!

Never mind.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Remember that a kick in the ass is a step forward."



Every mass in motion has a wave nature. Maybe that has something to
do with it.

Dobule-A

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Old February 19th 13, 02:35 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of asand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt forgravitational waves!

On Feb 17, 12:36*pm, Painius wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A

wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23177-sandgrainsized-drum-exten...NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news


The uncertainty principle was misnamed. *It should have been termed:

* The momentum/position anomaly.

Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. *Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...

* momentum = mass x velocity

Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. *Then you
will know the car's momentum.

Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. *So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.

So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.

All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. *WAIT! *BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!

Never mind.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Remember that a kick in the ass is a step forward."


I Bert first could stop the flare(ray) an inch and a half from its
source. I have cut the distance in half (done last year) Still it is a
flare,a ray that is fanning out. The bullet that hits the wine glass
has hit free electrons that cover the wine glass's surface. No
damage(cracks formed yet) It is by far the fastest picture ever
taken. It is still not showing both momentum,and position. My
measurements are in the macro realm. 3/4 of an inch traveled by
photons is a great distance when related to a Planck length.
TreBert PS asteroid hittin Earth can best to relate with Murphy's
Law.
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Old February 19th 13, 02:41 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of asand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt forgravitational waves!

On Feb 18, 5:48*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Feb 17, 9:36*am, Painius wrote:









On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A


wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23177-sandgrainsized-drum-exten....2012-GLOBAL|online-news


The uncertainty principle was misnamed. *It should have been termed:


* The momentum/position anomaly.


Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. *Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...


* momentum = mass x velocity


Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. *Then you
will know the car's momentum.


Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. *So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.


So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.


All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. *WAIT! *BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!


Never mind.


--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Remember that a kick in the ass is a step forward."


Every mass in motion has a wave nature. *Maybe that has something to
do with it.

Dobule-A


AA Seems to me we could say every mass moving through the aether
causes space to vibrate. I used that idea when I put together my
"space foreshortning theory" that seemed to be very well accepted. I
am merging it with my convex space curve,and they both fit nicely.
TreBert-
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Old February 19th 13, 10:10 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of asand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt forgravitational waves!

On Feb 18, 6:41*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 18, 5:48*pm, Double-A wrote:





On Feb 17, 9:36*am, Painius wrote:


On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A


wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/......online-news


The uncertainty principle was misnamed. *It should have been termed:


* The momentum/position anomaly.


Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. *Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...


* momentum = mass x velocity


Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. *Then you
will know the car's momentum.


Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. *So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.


So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.


All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. *WAIT! *BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!


Never mind.


--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Remember that a kick in the ass is a step forward."


Every mass in motion has a wave nature. *Maybe that has something to
do with it.


Dobule-A


AA Seems to me we could say every mass moving through the aether
causes space to vibrate. *I used that idea when I put together my
"space foreshortning theory" that seemed to be very well accepted.



Of course, because Einstein said it first.

*I
am merging it with my convex space curve,and they both fit nicely.
TreBert



Double-A

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Old February 20th 13, 02:41 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of asand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt forgravitational waves!

On Feb 17, 9:36*am, Painius wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A

wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23177-sandgrainsized-drum-exten...NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news


The uncertainty principle was misnamed. *It should have been termed:

* The momentum/position anomaly.

Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. *Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...

* momentum = mass x velocity

Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. *Then you
will know the car's momentum.

Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. *So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.

So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.

All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. *WAIT! *BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!

Never mind.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Remember that a kick in the ass is a step forward."


Not even the trillion frame per second camera has captured a singular
photon wave, or much less its quantum entangled particle in action of
actually traveling through space without any FIFO replications taking
place.
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Old February 20th 13, 02:43 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of asand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt forgravitational waves!

On Feb 18, 2:48*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Feb 17, 9:36*am, Painius wrote:









On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A


wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23177-sandgrainsized-drum-exten....2012-GLOBAL|online-news


The uncertainty principle was misnamed. *It should have been termed:


* The momentum/position anomaly.


Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. *Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...


* momentum = mass x velocity


Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. *Then you
will know the car's momentum.


Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. *So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.


So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.


All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. *WAIT! *BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!


Never mind.


--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Remember that a kick in the ass is a step forward."


Every mass in motion has a wave nature. *Maybe that has something to
do with it.

Dobule-A


It most certainly does, especially if discussing any of this with
mpc755.
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Old February 20th 13, 10:30 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of a sand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt for gravitational waves!

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:48:13 -0800 (PST), Double-A
wrote:

On Feb 17, 9:36*am, Painius wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A

wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23177-sandgrainsized-drum-exten...NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news


The uncertainty principle was misnamed. *It should have been termed:

* The momentum/position anomaly.

Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. *Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...

* momentum = mass x velocity

Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. *Then you
will know the car's momentum.

Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. *So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.

So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.

All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. *WAIT! *BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!

Never mind.


Every mass in motion has a wave nature. Maybe that has something to
do with it.



That's what Heisenberg would have us believe. It's precisely what
makes the HUP so completely and unnecessarily invasive. He broke the
first rule: Keep it simple, stupid! (Kiss)

Sorry, I guess I'm a little uncertain about Heisenberg's contribution
to science.


--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Generally, temptation must be avoided - unless you can't resist it."
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Old February 20th 13, 11:50 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Detection of the uncertainty principle in a drum the width of asand grain vindicates quantum theory but could complicate the hunt forgravitational waves!

On Feb 20, 2:30*pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:48:13 -0800 (PST), Double-A





wrote:
On Feb 17, 9:36*am, Painius wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:20 -0800 (PST), Double-A


wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23177-sandgrainsized-drum-exten....2012-GLOBAL|online-news


The uncertainty principle was misnamed. *It should have been termed:


* The momentum/position anomaly.


Picture in your mind a car (yes, whatever car you wish) zipping along
a straight road at 100 mph headed east. *Since velocity is a vector
quantity (it possesses both speed and direction), then so is momentum,
because the momentum of the car is equal to its mass times its
velocity...


* momentum = mass x velocity


Since you know the car's velocity, 100 mph headed east, then all you
need to do is multiply that velocity times the car's mass. *Then you
will know the car's momentum.


Now, at various places along the road, imagine that there are cameras
placed that will take a picture of the car at various positions and
then automatically record the time the picture is taken. *So now you
are able to determine both the car's momentum and its position.


So in quantum mechanics, the anomaly exists that if the car is, say, a
photon, there is no way, nor can there ever be a way to determine both
the photon's momentum and its position at the same time.


All one would need is a good enough cameral to be able to record a
photon in a certain position. *WAIT! *BERT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS!


Never mind.


Every mass in motion has a wave nature. *Maybe that has something to
do with it.


That's what Heisenberg would have us believe. *It's precisely what
makes the HUP so completely and unnecessarily invasive. *He broke the
first rule: *Keep it simple, stupid! (Kiss)

Sorry, I guess I'm a little uncertain about Heisenberg's contribution
to science.



Did you see my other post: "Curves in spacetime violate Heisenberg's
uncertainty principle!"?

Double-A

 




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