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Old August 4th 05, 04:51 PM
Geronimo
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I read a report on a website with many TRACE and SOHO images as well
as video sequences, written up/posted by someone by the name of
Mochael Mozina. Credentials completely unknown. He was looking over
the images taken by these spacecraft of the Sun. He says that it
suddenly dawned on him that he was looking at the true surface of the
Sun, and that it is actually composed of calcium ferrite...mostly
iron. And he says it is solid. Huh? This site must be a hoax...as how
could iron exist in solid form in a nuclear fusion reactor, when the
plasma above the surface is at a temp of 1 million -plus degrees? This
has to be a joke...but the site looked quite legit, too elaborate for
a hoax. It seems he really believes this. I figure that if HE could
figure this out, then the JPL scientists themselves could figure it
out, and this colossal discovery would be on the front page of Popular
Science....if this "discovery" had any merit. What is the scoop on
this guy and his discovery?

The site is he www.thesurfaceofthesun.com
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Old August 5th 05, 02:48 PM
Cygnus X-1
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:51:38 -0400, Geronimo wrote
(in article ):

I read a report on a website with many TRACE and SOHO images as well
as video sequences, written up/posted by someone by the name of
Mochael Mozina. Credentials completely unknown. He was looking over
the images taken by these spacecraft of the Sun. He says that it
suddenly dawned on him that he was looking at the true surface of the
Sun, and that it is actually composed of calcium ferrite...mostly
iron. And he says it is solid. Huh? This site must be a hoax...as how
could iron exist in solid form in a nuclear fusion reactor, when the
plasma above the surface is at a temp of 1 million -plus degrees? This
has to be a joke...but the site looked quite legit, too elaborate for
a hoax. It seems he really believes this. I figure that if HE could
figure this out, then the JPL scientists themselves could figure it
out, and this colossal discovery would be on the front page of Popular
Science....if this "discovery" had any merit. What is the scoop on
this guy and his discovery?

The site is he www.thesurfaceofthesun.com


Flashy web sites do not make scientific competency. Most of the images
and movies on his site are from someone else's work.

I was unable to download the paper but what I read of the site he has a
number of problems.

The 'difference' images do not reveal fine structure - they show
DIFFERENCES between the current and previous images. White regions are
brighter than they were before, dark regions are fainter. The time
scales on EIT images are usually about 12 minutes apart, TRACE can have
differences of less than a minute. These time scales are way to short
to show effects of the differential solar rotation. Also, the
differential solar rotation can be seen by amateurs with as short as a
month of regular (daily) solar observations.

Many people forget that these theories are not abstract concepts but
tools with which you can actually make accurate predictions about
associated phenomena.

A gaseous solar model enables instruments such as MDI to do 'sonograms'
of the sun and 'see' some features on the farside (sample on
http://www.spaceweather.com). We've even observed active regions
forming this way. If the solar surface were solid, these models would
not work.

He would have to demonstrate that his model can reproduce this result
and *all* other predictions of the gaseous model to within
observational accuracy. Much of the raw data are online and available
through the VSO: http://vso.stanford.edu/. When he can take some MDI
dopplergrams and construct a farside image as good or better than those
currently generated, then he *might* have some credibility.

W.T. Bridgman
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Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy
http://homepage.mac.com/cygnusx1

"They're trained to believe, not to know. Belief can be manipulated.
Only knowledge is dangerous." --Frank Herbert, "Dune Messiah"

 




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