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Please people, DON'T argue with oriel (Gerhald Keller)
or the other kooks here. And if you do, PLEASE don't quote their posts, please. Those of us who have them killfiled dont want to have to killfile you to. AM |
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On Jul 5, 7:04*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
AM wrote: Please people, DON'T argue with oriel (Gerhald Keller) or the other kooks here. And if you do, PLEASE don't quote their posts, please. Those of us who have them killfiled don[']t want to have to killfile you to[o]. * *You must be referring to Gerald Kelleher. If you ignore him, * *he's mostly harmless. You know how it is Sam,52% of people thought that the Sun orbits the Earth in that game show and all due to the wonders of empiricists such as yourself,not astronomers mind you,but empiricists Be proud of your achievement where the majority of humanity do not know basic astronomical principles such as heliocentric reasoning while at the same time will wax lyrical about time travel,black holes and all the other junk dumped into the celestial arena. I am sure the majority of people outside this forum are enamored by the idiotic 'leap second' adjustment but I wonder how many here now take it seriously along with the reasoning behind it based on the return of a star to a location representing axial rotation through 360 degrees. |
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On Jul 5, 9:29*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
oriel36 wrote: On Jul 5, 7:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote: AM wrote: Please people, DON'T argue with oriel (Gerhald Keller) or the other kooks here. And if you do, PLEASE don't quote their posts, please. Those of us who have them killfiled don[']t want to have to killfile you to[o]. * *You must be referring to Gerald Kelleher. If you ignore him, * *he's mostly harmless. You know how it is Sam,52% of people thought that the Sun orbits the Earth *in that game show and all due to the wonders of empiricists such as yourself,not astronomers mind you,but *empiricists Be proud of your *achievement where the majority of humanity do not know basic astronomical principles such as heliocentric reasoning while at the same time will wax lyrical about time travel,black holes and all the other junk dumped into the celestial arena. I am sure the majority of people outside this forum *are enamored *by the idiotic *'leap second' adjustment but I wonder how many here now take it seriously along with the reasoning behind it based on the return of a star to a location representing axial rotation through 360 degrees. * *Gerald.. I will agree with you that it is a shame that * *science illiteracy is so high in the US.... Some of us * *work to help educate the public we come in contact with. * *Science is not science unless it can be tested by observation * *and experiment... * *Leap seconds, although far from idea, are an attempt to * *minimize timing discrepancies between clocks ticking of * *internationally agreed to second and celestial observation * *timings based on the rotation of the earth. * *No need to reply as I won't likely enter into a debate with * *you in this newsgroup at this time. * *Take Care Jerald. * -Sam- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There is no debate,technically there are no grounds for linking axial rotation directly to a return of any celestial object in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds,such a linkage requires incorporation of the orbital motion of the Earth and the 'sidereal time' value is calendrically based otr technically - based on 365/366 days enclosed in a 1461 day cycle ending Feb 29th every 4th year. Flamsteed and Newton may have convinced themselves that it was a system of 365 days 5 hours 49 minutes but simple logic shows it to be the calendrically rounded off system of 365/366 days,a mistake in other words. 52% of people in France think the Sun orbits the Earth while the IERS in Paris think the Earth rotates through 360 degrees in 23 hours 56 min 04 seconds - Sacrebleu Sam,Sacrebleu ! |
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On Jul 5, 8:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
You must be referring to Gerald Kelleher. If you ignore him, he's mostly harmless. Yes, but he takes up space, and his posts don't qualify as serious amateur astronomy, so had this group been moderated, they likely wouldn't appear here. People with expensive newsreaders have this luxury called "killfiles", and so he is unhappy that people deigning to prevent Oriel36 from leading those who don't astray are making his work less well. John Savard |
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On Jul 6, 6:53*am, Quadibloc wrote:
On Jul 5, 8:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote: * *You must be referring to Gerald Kelleher. If you ignore him, * *he's mostly harmless. Yes, but he takes up space, and his posts don't qualify as serious amateur astronomy, so had this group been moderated, they likely wouldn't appear here. People with expensive newsreaders have this luxury called "killfiles", and so he is unhappy that people deigning to prevent Oriel36 from leading those who don't astray are making his work less well. John Savard http://groups.google.com/group/alt.t...3788ca54?hl=en The science fictiion which began with Newton ended with the enjoyable trekkie culture however ,like most people,I enjoy going to the movie cinema occasionally but I would not want to live there and that is what distinguishes true astronomy from speculative empirical novelties. Many people already know that Western science has returned to a molten state after the exotic junk of the last century,while I cannot say there is an appetite for genuine structural and timekeeping astronomy,there is certainly none for the ridiculous pronouncements of the last decade which became more and more exotic and ended with dark this and dark that. I offer astronomy which is closer to home, for instance ,a better explanation for the seasons and subsequently a better platform for climate studies or differential rotation of the interior leading to evolutionary geological effects with the lessons drawn from stellar rotational dynamics.I will even give Sam his experiments/observations for this but judging by the inability to grasp basic heliocentric reasoning or rather,the ability to defend an untenable view of Newton,I have to place everyone in the same category as you and your lovable trekkie way of thinking. |
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Quadibloc wrote:
On Jul 5, 8:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote: You must be referring to Gerald Kelleher. If you ignore him, he's mostly harmless. Yes, but he takes up space, and his posts don't qualify as serious amateur astronomy, so had this group been moderated, they likely wouldn't appear here. People with expensive newsreaders have this luxury called "killfiles", and so he is unhappy that people deigning to prevent Oriel36 from leading those who don't astray are making his work less well. John Savard Hi. Thunderbird is free. The filter works just fine, it's just that some people for whatever reason just have to quote everything him and the other kooks write. Never could (can) figure this out. Clear Skies AM |
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In article
, Quadibloc wrote: snip [...] People with expensive newsreaders have this luxury called "killfiles", [...] My newsreader (MT-NewsWatcher) is free, and it has very comprehensive filtering functions. AFAIK here are several such available for most platforms: have a look on VersionTracker, Tucows or wherever. -- Odysseus |
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AM wrote: snip Thunderbird is free. The filter works just fine, it's just that some people for whatever reason just have to quote everything him and the other kooks write. Never could (can) figure this out. Me neither, especially when the content they add consists solely of a complaint or flame concerning the very material they're redistributing .... Anyway, good to hear Thunderbird has filters for newsgroups now; the last version I tried (several years ago) could only filter e-mail. -- Odysseus |
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On Jul 6, 9:49*pm, Odysseus wrote:
In article , *AM wrote: snip Thunderbird is free. The filter works just fine, it's just that some people for whatever reason just have to quote everything him and the other kooks write. Never could (can) figure this out. Me neither, especially when the content they add consists solely of a complaint or flame concerning the very material they're redistributing ... Anyway, good to hear Thunderbird has filters for newsgroups now; the last version I tried (several years ago) could only filter e-mail. -- Odysseus There is no obligation for anyone to read any response I may write when people do post threads relating to structural or timekeeping astronomy but I also know that very people do such things nowadays for obvious reasons.Writing about magnification equipment can only go so far but the real pleasure is the celestial arena itself and to enjoy how the motions of the Earth at various levels causes daylight/ darkness and seasonal variations. The standard at present is that in terms of axial rotation,nobody gives the right answer to the average rotation period of the Earth (24 hours/360 degrees) as determined against the annual orbit and without that basic fact it is hardly a good point of departure for enjoying why seasonal variations in daylight/darkness occur in the respective hemispheres. I am all too pleased that people run around announcing killfiles,I am sure it must seem a brave thing to do but from my seat it is like watching roaches scurry away when the light is switched on,not a very nice thing to say but true nonetheless.The idea is not to kill discussion but to argue for putting motions and observations into proper context and unfortunately all I have to work with is a trekkie and even I have only so much tolerance for that. |
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Gerald.. I will agree with you that it is a shame that science illiteracy is so high in the US.... Some of us work to help educate the public we come in contact with. Science is not science unless it can be tested by observation and experiment... Obviously people like you are the reason the US is so dismal in science education. This Gerald creep is at the far end of the spectrum. |
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