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The snake prove reposted
https://twitter.com/syntotic/status/215344509976985600
The picture is inspiration. A snake rover has some advantages. For one, it is a time tested DESIGN, usable in barren land, water, branched environments. For two, if properly implemented it is self redundant and for an artificial implementation self correcting by splitting and reassemblying. For three, It is divisible into more than one rover if needed. For four, it can be coiled and compacted even for big snakes, easily transportable. For five, it may include no outer movable pieces, all junctures can be made internal save for receptors and efectors. For six, snakes are able to move very quicly or very slowly naturally, it is inherent in the form. Snake brains are not so big, approach the size of birds more than other small animal, so control ought to be ultimately simple and simply consistent; without having to control complex gaits nor indepent limbs coordination. I have already advanced this idea, to mimic more natural muscular structures for machine design than simply liineal movement like in cranes. Shouldnt be hard to understand the secrets of snake muscularity and it can be studied on many species, most abundant without fear of extinction, to develop an artificial implementation. This text should be more inspired but I insist that this city is a hostile land lacking adequate medical care and detractors to these texts have ways to use health attacks as their weapon. IT is getting a toil not being paid attention to effectively. With a mimic doppelganger rushing somewhere in the system, this text is as best protection as implementing the idea privately, which is against their convenience but much to mine. Danilo J Bonsignore |
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Ah, OK, the first post was ommitted. This one appears at a later time,
of course. Behaviour is different from what I was used to, with immediate postings and no delay, nor moderator vetoes. Danilo J Bonsignore |
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One concern though would be the amount of energy it would spend as
compared to other forms of locomotion. Snakes spend long periods resting (after eating). They also move very slowly save when preying. Actually I would say snakes move at the speed of PROBES! A snake probe might need more energy than, say, a six legged spider. It would be a very biblical probe, too! Like in the tree of knowledge: **and the snake probe...**. Not my viewpoint but the parallelism would be striking. SF: the biblical snake went so famous because it was a probe from outer space... Oh, c mon, do not tell me now that you already have it! And it is somewhere around but... (Nobody would be thinking of anything, right?) Danilo J Bonsignore |
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"Fabrizio J Bonsignore" wrote in message
... https://twitter.com/syntotic/status/215344509976985600 The picture is inspiration. A snake rover has some advantages. For one, it is a time tested DESIGN, usable in barren land, water, branched environments. Umm, it has very little testing.... as a rover. Hell, there's more species of animals with legs than snakes. This should mean that rovers should walk around. Yet, we find wheels work better. For two, if properly implemented it is self redundant and for an artificial implementation self correcting by splitting and reassemblying. How many snakes in the real-world do this? Hint, I can count them on less than one hand. For three, It is divisible into more than one rover if needed. For four, it can be coiled and compacted even for big snakes, easily transportable. For five, it may include no outer movable pieces, all junctures can be made internal save for receptors and efectors. So except for the major components... again.. no real advantage. For six, snakes are able to move very quicly or very slowly naturally, it is inherent in the form. Snake brains are not so big, approach the size of birds more than other small animal, so control ought to be ultimately simple and simply consistent; without having to control complex gaits nor indepent limbs coordination. I have already advanced this idea, to mimic more natural muscular structures for machine design than simply liineal movement like in cranes. Brain sizes are pretty irrelevant here. Shouldnt be hard to understand the secrets of snake muscularity and it can be studied on many species, most abundant without fear of extinction, to develop an artificial implementation. Huh? This text should be more inspired but I insist that this city is a hostile land lacking adequate medical care and detractors to these texts have ways to use health attacks as their weapon. IT is getting a toil not being paid attention to effectively. With a mimic doppelganger rushing somewhere in the system, this text is as best protection as implementing the idea privately, which is against their convenience but much to mine. Danilo J Bonsignore Look, the idea of a "snake-based" probe isn't that outlandish. I've seen such proposals before. BUT, making it sound as simple as you have, shows a serious lack of understanding. It certainly may have some advantages, but I think you grossly underestimate how much work would be involved in creating even just a prototype. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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"Jeff Findley" wrote in message ... And if you did create a prototype, it would be interesting to compare it to a wheeled rover and a walking rover. You'd want to do this on a test ground modeled after the surface of Mars. You'd base the course on what we know from the probes that have already flown. Let the best prototype win! Jeff Agreed. I don't think the idea of a "snake" based rover for various uses is all that out there (and I believe some research has been done.) I just don't think it's the panacea the original poster did. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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Hi! Happy Mars-ing!
On Jun 21, 12:03*pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote: "Fabrizio J Bonsignore" *wrote in ... For two, if properly implemented it is self redundant and for an artificial implementation self correcting by splitting and reassemblying. How many snakes in the real-world do this? *Hint, I can count them on less than one hand. Oh, you found a few! For five, it may include no outer movable pieces, all junctures can be made internal save for receptors and efectors. So except for the major components... again.. no real advantage. Mobility, basically, but maybe reprogrammability? Yeah, I see the point. small parts still small parts and protruding. But maybe major parts can be standardized and factory produced to lower costs and accomodate private company designs... For six, snakes are able to move very quicly or very slowly naturally, it is inherent in the form. Snake brains are not so big, approach the size of birds more than other small animal, so control ought to be ultimately simple and simply consistent; without having to control complex gaits nor indepent limbs coordination. I have already advanced this idea, to mimic more natural muscular structures for machine design than simply liineal movement like in cranes. Brain sizes are pretty irrelevant here. Depends... but that is the point. If brain size would not matter because nature uses the minimum and works, we have more experiment oriented payload. Shouldnt be hard to understand the secrets of snake muscularity and it can be studied on many species, most abundant without fear of extinction, to develop an artificial implementation. Huh? Snakes move in a kind of sinusoidal walk. HOW exactly are snake muscles conformed that they are biologically efficient? Different from Human muscles, surely... Look, the idea of a "snake-based" probe isn't that outlandish. *I've seen such proposals before. BUT, making it sound as simple as you have, shows a serious lack of understanding. Not really! Provide references, I am writing in the cold, but the basic design idea is sound, surely. It certainly may have some advantages, but I think you grossly underestimate how much work would be involved in creating even just a prototype. Not work, but BUDGET. I think it would be a competitive proposal for an R&D company. I would participate, of course. Danilo J Bonsignore |
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On Jun 27, 9:00*am, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote: I just don't think it's the panacea the original poster did. -- Greg D. Moore * * * * * * * * *http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses.http://www.quicr.net (Arent we all selling Panaceas? Ask Nature Big point is: we find snakes everywhere! They are good in SANDS. They are good in TREES. They are good in WATER. They are good on ROCKS. They are good on grass, deserts, woods, moving sands? They climb and slide and dig and saim. So now I ask: If the Mars probe, (just landed), wants to find evidence of Life... why was it made to land in an ANTIQUE CRATER??? Isnt it like trying to find cats in a VOLCANO? (Yeah, Nature did not stop in snakes, it produced US, but do you want to down investigate a sewers tube? Mmh?) Danilo J Bonsignore |
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On Aug 8, 8:35*pm, "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore syntotic"
wrote: On Jun 27, 9:00*am, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote: I just don't think it's the panacea the original poster did. -- Greg D. Moore * * * * * * * * *http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses.http://www.quicr.net (Arent we all selling Panaceas? Ask Nature Big point is: we find snakes everywhere! They are good in SANDS. They are good in TREES. They are good in WATER. They are good on ROCKS. They are good on grass, deserts, woods, moving sands? They climb and slide and dig and saim. So now I ask: If the Mars probe, (just landed), wants to find evidence of Life... why was it made to land in an ANTIQUE CRATER??? Isnt it like trying to find cats in a VOLCANO? (Yeah, Nature did not stop in snakes, it produced US, but do you want to down investigate a sewers tube? Mmh?) Danilo J Bonsignore A constructive suggestion: Join the discussion groups at www.mersenneforum.org You may find a more favorable reception there. |
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