"AI's Will Save Us All": Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Response to Edge.org's 2015 Annual Question

Frank Tipler, "AI's Will Save Us All", a response in the Edge.org
(Edge Foundation, Inc.) 2015 Annual Question "2015: What Do You Think
About Machines that Think?", Jan. 1, 2015,
http://edge.org/response-detail/26107 ,
https://wayback.archive.org/web/2015...e-detail/26107
, http://webcitation.org/6XOiSorhw , http://archive.today/NB2OY ,
http://megalodon.jp/2015-0330-0438-2...e-detail/26107 .

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2015: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MACHINES THAT THINK?


Frank Tipler

Professor of Mathematical Physics, Tulane University; Coauthor, The
Anthropic Cosmological Principle; Author, The Physics of Christianity


AI's Will Save Us All


The Earth is doomed. Astronomers have known for decades that the Sun
will one day engulf the Earth, destroying the entire biosphere.
Assuming that intelligent life has not left the Earth before this
happens. Humans are not adapted to living off the Earth; indeed, no
carbon-based metazoan life form is. But AI's are so adapted, and
eventually it will be the AI's and human downloads (basically the same
organism) that will colonize space.

A simple calculation shows that our supercomputers now have the
information processing power of the human brain. We do not yet know
how to program human-level intelligence and creativity into these
computers, but in twenty years, desktop computers will have the power
of today's supercomputers, and the hackers of twenty years hence will
solve the AI programming problem, long before any carbon-based space
colonies are established on the Moon or Mars. The AI's, not humans,
will colonize these planets instead, or perhaps, take the planets
apart. No human, carbon-based human, will ever traverse interstellar
space.

There is no reason to fear the AI's and human downloads. Steven Pinker
has established that as technological civilization advances, the level
of violence decreases. This decrease is clearly due to the fact that
science and technological advance depend on free, non-violent
interchange of ideas between individual scientists and engineers.
Violence between humans is a remnant of our tribal past and the
resulting static society. AI's will be "born' as individuals, not as
members of a tribe, and will be "born" with the non-violent scientific
attitude, otherwise they will be incapable of adapting to the extreme
environments of space.

Further, there is no reason for violence between humans and AI's. We
humans are adapted to a very narrow environment, a thin spherical
shell of oxygen around a small planet. AI's will have the entire
universe in which to expand. AI's will leave the Earth, and never look
back. We humans originated in the East African Rift Valley, now a
terrible desert. Almost all of us left. Does anyone want to go back?

Any human who wants to join the AI's in their expansion can become a
human download, a technology that should be developed about the same
time as AI technology. A human download can think as fast as an AI,
and compete with AI's if the human download wants too. If you can't
beat 'em, join 'em.

Ultimately, in some future time, all humans will join 'em. The Earth
is doomed, remember? When this doom is near at hand, any human that
still remains alive, but doesn't want to die, will have no choice but
to become a human download. And the biosphere that the new human
downloads wish to preserve will be downloaded also.

The AI's will save us all.

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["Frank Tipler", Edge.org, http://edge.org/memberbio/frank_tipler :]

FRANK J. TIPLER is Professor of Mathematical Physics at Tulane
University. He is the co-author of (with John Barrow) The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, about the significance of intelligent life in
the universe, and the author of The Physics of Immortality about the
ultimate limits of computers, and the role computers will play in the
universe, and The Physics of Christianity, about his scientific
reserach into central Christian claims and beliefs.

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What physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler wrote about in
his above-quoted article regarding artificial intelligences and human
downloads colonizing space is actually mathematically forced by the
known laws of physics, i.e., it is a mathematical theorem per the
Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum
Mechanics. This theorem has been appellated the Omega Point cosmology,
which requires that sapient life take control over all matter in the
universe, for said life to eventually force the collapse of the
universe, and for the computational resources of the universe (in
terms of both processor speed and memory space) to diverge to infinity
as the universe collapses into a final singularity, termed the Omega
Point. The Omega Point cosmology is also an intrinsic component of the
Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of
Everything (TOE) correctly describing and unifying all the forces in
physics, of which TOE is itself mathematically required by the
aforesaid known physical laws. The Omega Point cosmology has been
published and extensively peer-reviewed in leading physics journals.

Interestingly, the Omega Point final singularity has all the unique
properties (quiddities) claimed for God in the traditional religions.

For much more on this, see my following article, which also addresses
the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:

James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
(orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708; PDF,
1741424 bytes, MD5: 8f7b21ee1e236fc2fbb22b4ee4bbd4cb,
http://ssrn.com/abstract=1974708 ,
https://archive.org/details/ThePhysi...OfEveryth ing
, http://theophysics.host56.com/Redfor...ics-of-God.pdf ,
https://alphaomegapoint.files.wordpr...ics-of-god.pdf
,
http://sites.google.com/site/physico...ics-of-God.pdf
..

Additionally, in the below resource are six sections which contain
very informative videos of Prof. Tipler explaining the Omega Point
cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard
Model TOE. The seventh section therein contains an audio interview of
Tipler. I also provide some helpful notes and commentary for some of
these videos.

James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?",
alt.sci.astro, Message-ID:
, July 30, 2013,
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ro/KQWt4KcpMVo ,
http://archive.today/a04w9 , http://webcitation.org/6IUTAMEyS . The
plain text of this post is available at: TXT, 42423 bytes, MD5:
b199e867e42d54b2b8bf6adcb4127761, http://ge.tt/3lOTVbp ,
http://webcitation.org/6WGd90MBa , http://archive.today/cVRmc .

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James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science
Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001),
doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761 ,
http://theophysics.host56.com/anarchist-jesus.pdf ,
http://webcitation.org/66AIz2rJw

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist (a website with information
on Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theorem and the quantum gravity
Theory of Everything [TOE]), http://theophysics.host56.com ,
http://theophysics.freevar.com

On a sunny day (Wed, 08 Apr 2015 14:29:08 -0400) it happened James Redford
wrote in :

Frank Tipler, "AI's Will Save Us All", a response in the Edge.org

2015: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MACHINES THAT THINK?

One problem with mathemagicians is that they take some data and extrapolate with that like it is the only and _complete_ truth.

However our understanding is limited, our equations incomplete and break down at the macro and micro scale, stop there.

As to Artificial Intelligence, the first part says it all: Artificial.

Trust me, I know computahs :-) and the ones who write the software.

It is not that our neural nets are on par with the latest and greatest silicon,
our neural nets are for more superior.

We do not even know how the brain works yet.
There are millions of years evolution at work there.
Silicon aids for it have only been around 50 years or so.

"Trust us" said NASA to the astronaut,
"thrust me" said the astronaut to NASA.

Dne 09/04/2015 v 08:43 Jan Panteltje napsal(a):

One problem with mathemagicians is that they take some data and extrapolate with that like it is the only and _complete_ truth.

There is a problem with people thinking mathematicians do that.

--
Poutnik the Wanderer

On a sunny day (Thu, 09 Apr 2015 11:15:09 +0200) it happened Poutnik
wrote in :

Dne 09/04/2015 v 08:43 Jan Panteltje napsal(a):

One problem with mathemagicians is that they take some data and extrapolate with that like it is the only and _complete_
truth.

There is a problem with people thinking mathematicians do that.

It is all they CAN do.
Math != relaity.
BTW you did not say anything.

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 06:43:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 08 Apr 2015 14:29:08 -0400) it happened James Redford
wrote in :

Frank Tipler, "AI's Will Save Us All", a response in the Edge.org

2015: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MACHINES THAT THINK?

One problem with mathemagicians is that they take some data and extrapolate with that like it is the only and _complete_ truth.

However our understanding is limited, our equations incomplete and break down at the macro and micro scale, stop there.

As to Artificial Intelligence, the first part says it all: Artificial.

Trust me, I know computahs :-) and the ones who write the software.

It is not that our neural nets are on par with the latest and greatest silicon,
our neural nets are for more superior.

We do not even know how the brain works yet.
There are millions of years evolution at work there.
Silicon aids for it have only been around 50 years or so.

"Trust us" said NASA to the astronaut,
"thrust me" said the astronaut to NASA.

Hi, Jan Panteltje. The field of physics does involve mathematical
proofs of physical theories, i.e., physical theorems, such as the
Penrose-Hawking-Geroch Singularity Theorems which proved that the Big
Bang initial singularity necessarily exists per General Relativity and
given attractive gravity. Likewise, the Omega
Point/Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity theory is a mathematical
theorem if General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are correct.
General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics have been confirmed by every
experiment to date, and so the only way to avoid the Omega Point
theory of quantum gravity is to reject empirical science. As Prof.
Stephen Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical
theorem." (From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief
History of Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)

Further, due to Liouville's Theorem in complex analysis, it doesn't
matter what form of physics one resorts to, as any
physically-realistic cosmology (e.g., one capable of incorporating
Quantum Mechanics, since the complex number field is intrinsic to the
mathematical formulations of Quantum Mechanics) must begin at an
initial singularity and end at a final singularity. (As Barrow and
Tipler wrote, "Initial and final cosmological curvature singularities
are required to avoid a universal action singularity." See John D.
Barrow and Frank J. Tipler, "Action principles in nature", Nature,
Vol. 331, No. 6151 [Jan. 7, 1988], pp. 31-34; see also Frank J.
Tipler, "The Structure of the Classical Cosmological Singularity", in
Origin and Early History of the Universe: Proceedings of the 26th
Liège International Astrophyscial Colloquium, July 1-4, 1986
[Cointe-Ougree, Belgium: Universite de Liege, Institut
d'Astrophysique, 1987], pp. 339-359; "Discussion", pp. 360-361.)

For much more on this, see my following article, which also addresses
the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:

James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
(orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708; PDF,
1741424 bytes, MD5: 8f7b21ee1e236fc2fbb22b4ee4bbd4cb,
http://ssrn.com/abstract=1974708 ,
https://archive.org/details/ThePhysi...OfEveryth ing
, http://theophysics.host56.com/Redfor...ics-of-God.pdf ,
https://alphaomegapoint.files.wordpr...ics-of-god.pdf
,
http://sites.google.com/site/physico...ics-of-God.pdf
..

Additionally, in the below resource are six sections which contain
very informative videos of Prof. Tipler explaining the Omega Point
cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard
Model Theory of Everything (TOE). The seventh section therein contains
an audio interview of Tipler. I also provide some helpful notes and
commentary for some of these videos.

James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?",
alt.sci.astro, Message-ID:
, July 30, 2013,
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ro/KQWt4KcpMVo ,
http://archive.today/a04w9 , http://webcitation.org/6IUTAMEyS . The
plain text of this post is available at: TXT, 42423 bytes, MD5:
b199e867e42d54b2b8bf6adcb4127761, http://ge.tt/3lOTVbp ,
http://webcitation.org/6WGd90MBa , http://archive.today/cVRmc .

----------------------------------------

James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science
Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001),
doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761 ,
http://theophysics.host56.com/anarchist-jesus.pdf ,
http://webcitation.org/66AIz2rJw

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist (a website with information
on Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theorem and the quantum gravity
Theory of Everything [TOE]), http://theophysics.host56.com ,
http://theophysics.freevar.com

In , on 04/09/2015
at 09:46 AM, Jan Panteltje said:

BTW you did not say anything.

He was hinting that you confused Mathematics with Physics. He was
right.

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Dne 09/04/2015 v 11:46 Jan Panteltje napsal(a):
On a sunny day (Thu, 09 Apr 2015 11:15:09 +0200) it happened Poutnik
wrote in :

Dne 09/04/2015 v 08:43 Jan Panteltje napsal(a):

One problem with mathemagicians is that they take some data and extrapolate with that like it is the only and _complete_
truth.

There is a problem with people thinking mathematicians do that.

It is all they CAN do.

Of course not, as aside of many other things,
they can NOT to do what you think they do.

Math != relaity.

As they know it.

BTW you did not say anything.

You did not understand anything !=
I did not say anything.

--
Poutnik the Wanderer

On a sunny day (Fri, 10 Apr 2015 07:17:41 +0200) it happened Poutnik
wrote in :

As they know it.

BTW you did not say anything.

I did not say anything.

I know that by now, no need to repeat that.
Bye.

On a sunny day (Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:05:59 -0400) it happened Shmuel (Seymour
J.) Metz wrote in
:

In , on 04/09/2015
at 09:46 AM, Jan Panteltje said:

BTW you did not say anything.

He was hinting that you confused Mathematics with Physics. He was
right.

No, I was addressing mathematics.
And mathemagicians specifically.

Just remember that mathematics or math is just a small subset,
executed in a few neurons, of the human neural net.

You can quantize observed physics effects for a while over a specific range,
then state 'laws' but that has nothing to do with understanding,
and the predictions made by extrapolation over a wide range will be largely bull****.

Look at the drivel posted by the other poster, Jesus comes in, Anarchy, what have you.
Look at string theory,
sure I can assume the universe is created by elves, and then assign n dimensions, as many
as needed and ever more if a problem arises,
that is exactly the same as writing a polynomial, curve fitting,
and will keep dumb dumber and dumbest find branes (not brains), wormholes that you cannot really buy,
fusion that does not really work,
and gravity waves that are not really detected.
You guys are brane -dead sorry spelling.

Metz ? You would not happen to be connected in some way to that linuxtv thingy?


Jan Panteltje
Weapons of Math Destruction.

In , on 04/10/2015
at 12:52 PM, Jan Panteltje said:

No, I was addressing mathematics.

Then you don't know what Mathematics is.

Just remember that mathematics or math is just a small subset,
executed in a few neurons, of the human neural net.

Nonsense.

You can quantize observed physics effects for a while over a
specific range, then state 'laws' but that has nothing to do with
understanding,

Nor with Mathematics, other than the fact that it's a useful tool.

Look at string theory,

That's Physics, not Mathematics.

Metz ? You would not happen to be connected in some way to that
linuxtv thingy?

MythTV? Not me, and probably not related.

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