The North Koreans can't get it up

"Jochem Huhmann" wrote in message ...

Doug Freyburger writes:

Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:

I just think it's more likely they screwed up.

I think they haven't had enough failures to be able to figure out what
right means for big rockets. Multistage rockets are not easy to get
right. Multistage rockets are extremely easy to get wrong.

And the first shot to orbit wasn't quick for anyone. If you haven't got
enough resources even to keep your people from starving this won't get
easier. But they will manage it sooner or later. But then they still
only will have a very fragile launcher (not an ICBM at all) with too
less payload to be any threat and until they have solved that, they'll
be starved for good.

NK really doesn't make me loss any sleep at night.

Jochem


In terms of sitting here in the US, no not really.

In terms of worrying about folks in South Korea, a bit. The number of
artillery that NK supposedly has pointed at Seoul alone is rather
staggering.

That said, I can't see NK being any real long-term threat.

But then again I don't tend to worry about most "bad actors" out there. The
threat really is overblown in my mind.

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On 17/04/2012 5:26 AM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article
31510045.1550.1334545632090.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbje9,
wrote:

On Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:32:39 PM UTC-7, Alan Erskine wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwangmy%C5%8Fngs%C5%8Fng-3

They powered it with too much soy.

Nope -- too much kimchee

Hahaha.... :-)

On 16/04/2012 10:38 AM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article
,
bob wrote:

On Apr 14, 7:32 pm, Alan wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwangmy%C5%8Fngs%C5%8Fng-3

i do wonder if a super secret weapon may have been used to stop north
koreas launch...........

perhaps a electronic countermeasure aimed right at the rocket......

Attached is a purported video of the launch:
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2...-korean-rocket
-launch.gif

LOVE IT!

On Apr 16, 10:54*pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
"Jochem Huhmann" *wrote in ...

Doug Freyburger writes:

Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:

I just think it's more likely they screwed up.

I think they haven't had enough failures to be able to figure out what
right means for big rockets. *Multistage rockets are not easy to get
right. *Multistage rockets are extremely easy to get wrong.

And the first shot to orbit wasn't quick for anyone. If you haven't got
enough resources even to keep your people from starving this won't get
easier. But they will manage it sooner or later. But then they still
only will have a very fragile launcher (not an ICBM at all) with too
less payload to be any threat and until they have solved that, they'll
be starved for good.

NK really doesn't make me loss any sleep at night.

* * * *Jochem

In terms of sitting here in the US, no not really.

In terms of worrying about folks in South Korea, a bit. The number of
artillery that NK supposedly has pointed at Seoul alone is rather
staggering.

That said, I can't see NK being any real long-term threat.

But then again I don't tend to worry about most "bad actors" out there. *The
threat really is overblown in my mind.

--
Greg D. Moore * * * * * * * * *http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/
CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses.http://www.quicr.net

no long term threat? just imagine a regime like theres with nukes
pointed at the US

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 10:54 pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
That said, I can't see NK being any real long-term threat.

But then again I don't tend to worry about most "bad actors" out there.
The
threat really is overblown in my mind.


no long term threat? just imagine a regime like theres with nukes
pointed at the US


Yes. You're point?

Here's the thing. NK could do something "bad". There's no doubt about
that. And if they really wanted to, they could do so without long-range
missiles.

BUT, if they did, there's a very good chance that in about 15 minutes, the
US would have just created the world's largest glass parking lot.

The thing about dictators like Kim Jong-un is they're paranoid about staying
in power. Attacking the US is about the surest way of ending that power.

And they just don't have the economy to be much more than a one-off threat.




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Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/
CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net

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"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 10:54 pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
That said, I can't see NK being any real long-term threat.

But then again I don't tend to worry about most "bad actors" out there.
The
threat really is overblown in my mind.


no long term threat? just imagine a regime like theres with nukes
pointed at the US


Yes. You're point?

Here's the thing. NK could do something "bad". There's no doubt about
that. And if they really wanted to, they could do so without long-range
missiles.

BUT, if they did, there's a very good chance that in about 15 minutes, the
US would have just created the world's largest glass parking lot.

The thing about dictators like Kim Jong-un is they're paranoid about staying
in power. Attacking the US is about the surest way of ending that power.

And they just don't have the economy to be much more than a one-off threat.




All we have to do is ask them: "Does the phrase, '24 empty tubes, 192
mushroom clouds, and now it's Miller time!' mean anything to you?"

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 10:54 pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
That said, I can't see NK being any real long-term threat.

But then again I don't tend to worry about most "bad actors" out
there.
The
threat really is overblown in my mind.


no long term threat? just imagine a regime like theres with nukes
pointed at the US


Yes. You're point?

Here's the thing. NK could do something "bad". There's no doubt about
that. And if they really wanted to, they could do so without long-range
missiles.

BUT, if they did, there's a very good chance that in about 15 minutes,
the
US would have just created the world's largest glass parking lot.

The thing about dictators like Kim Jong-un is they're paranoid about
staying
in power. Attacking the US is about the surest way of ending that power.

And they just don't have the economy to be much more than a one-off
threat.




All we have to do is ask them: "Does the phrase, '24 empty tubes, 192
mushroom clouds, and now it's Miller time!' mean anything to you?"



"No, what's Miller Time?" ;-)



--
Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/
CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net

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"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news

In article ,
"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 10:54 pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
That said, I can't see NK being any real long-term threat.

But then again I don't tend to worry about most "bad actors" out
there.
The
threat really is overblown in my mind.


no long term threat? just imagine a regime like theres with nukes
pointed at the US


Yes. You're point?

Here's the thing. NK could do something "bad". There's no doubt about
that. And if they really wanted to, they could do so without long-range
missiles.

BUT, if they did, there's a very good chance that in about 15 minutes,
the
US would have just created the world's largest glass parking lot.

The thing about dictators like Kim Jong-un is they're paranoid about
staying
in power. Attacking the US is about the surest way of ending that power.

And they just don't have the economy to be much more than a one-off
threat.




All we have to do is ask them: "Does the phrase, '24 empty tubes, 192
mushroom clouds, and now it's Miller time!' mean anything to you?"



"No, what's Miller Time?" ;-)

Time for a brewski.

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 10:54 pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
That said, I can't see NK being any real long-term threat.

But then again I don't tend to worry about most "bad actors" out
there.
The
threat really is overblown in my mind.


no long term threat? just imagine a regime like theres with nukes
pointed at the US


Yes. You're point?

Here's the thing. NK could do something "bad". There's no doubt
about
that. And if they really wanted to, they could do so without
long-range
missiles.

BUT, if they did, there's a very good chance that in about 15 minutes,
the
US would have just created the world's largest glass parking lot.

The thing about dictators like Kim Jong-un is they're paranoid about
staying
in power. Attacking the US is about the surest way of ending that
power.

And they just don't have the economy to be much more than a one-off
threat.




All we have to do is ask them: "Does the phrase, '24 empty tubes, 192
mushroom clouds, and now it's Miller time!' mean anything to you?"



"No, what's Miller Time?" ;-)

Time for a brewski.


*I* know what Miller time is. My way to subtle point (I take the blame) is
that no one in North Korea will know because they have no luxuries like
beer.

(and perhaps a dig at what us Americans call beer).




--
Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/
CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net

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"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news

In article ,
"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote:

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 10:54 pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
That said, I can't see NK being any real long-term threat.

But then again I don't tend to worry about most "bad actors" out
there.
The
threat really is overblown in my mind.


no long term threat? just imagine a regime like theres with nukes
pointed at the US


Yes. You're point?

Here's the thing. NK could do something "bad". There's no doubt
about
that. And if they really wanted to, they could do so without
long-range
missiles.

BUT, if they did, there's a very good chance that in about 15 minutes,
the
US would have just created the world's largest glass parking lot.

The thing about dictators like Kim Jong-un is they're paranoid about
staying
in power. Attacking the US is about the surest way of ending that
power.

And they just don't have the economy to be much more than a one-off
threat.




All we have to do is ask them: "Does the phrase, '24 empty tubes, 192
mushroom clouds, and now it's Miller time!' mean anything to you?"



"No, what's Miller Time?" ;-)

Time for a brewski.


*I* know what Miller time is. My way to subtle point (I take the blame) is
that no one in North Korea will know because they have no luxuries like
beer.

(and perhaps a dig at what us Americans call beer).




Only their elite have access to such luxuries -- they are part of the
perk system.