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On 27/03/2012 02:27, Jonathan wrote:
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Can we try and concentrate on Afghanistan (and possibly Iraq) for the
moment please.

I think living in a world where the USA was sent back like a dog with
its tail between its legs after taking on a gang of blokes wearing bed
sheets and armed with a load of Soviet army surpless rifles and RPGs
wouldn't be a pleasant experience.


Sent packing? The whole point of going in there is to establish
a democracy over a dictatorship. So victory for the US
can be claimed the minute the...people of these countries
clearly tell us to leave.

For the world's Muslims to consider the US to have won this has to be a
request from the Afghan government, not an order at gun point.

Currently the Taliban is preparing to remake the retreat from Saigon,
this time with dust.

Andrew Swallow

On 27/03/2012 14:47, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:21 pm, "David E.
wrote:
Iraq is going OK except for the idiotic decision not to get at least
training and advisory units based there, plus air force ones that then
need for air cover, though that can be done from Kuwait to a certain
extent. As a guard force ot cut back on Iranian meddling.

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed.

The gov't in DC now doesn't want to do what was done in Iraq and
provide proper numbers in the short term to get things done right.

neither is winnable and iraq is detoriating. expect both countries to
have civil wars.

both espically afghanistan have have made war since biblical times.

do you believe we can stop hat?

Would a civil war prevent anti-Western terrorist groups from using
Afghanistan as a refuge? If so when and how do we start the civil war?

Andrew Swallow

On Mar 27, 7:17*am, Bill wrote:
In article 7e65b734-93fa-4a45-b79d-f214dcf585a8
@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com, says...

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed.

You know every imperial general since Alexander the Great thought that.

So far the Afghans have beaten them all...

Except it isn't imperial in the traditional sense. There is a huge
Afghan contingent with us. Heck the whole Anti-Taliban Northern
Alliance formed the core of the government that came into place in
2002. Convincing the undecided people we're serious is key and is what
happened in Iraq. Also, like Iraq, is setting up a gov't that can
continue and defend themselves, and provide training nd support to
them to get there.

In article bac94bf8-eab7-469d-9748-afc277a4d688
@er9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 27, 7:17*am, Bill wrote:
In article 7e65b734-93fa-4a45-b79d-f214dcf585a8
@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com, says...

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed.

You know every imperial general since Alexander the Great thought that.

So far the Afghans have beaten them all...

Except it isn't imperial in the traditional sense.

Not from an Afghan's point of view.

Where they're standing there's absolutely no difference between NATO now
and the British a hundred years ago. We're just a lot less nasty than
the Russians, but they probably interpret that as weakness...

There is a huge
Afghan contingent with us.

There always is, it's South Asia, you can always find allies.

Alliances in South Asia are usually about who hates who rather than
anyone loving the invaders.

Heck the whole Anti-Taliban Northern
Alliance formed the core of the government that came into place in
2002.

And a right nasty gang of warlords and drug dealers they turned out to
be.

The people backed the Taliban because that lot raped and robbed at will
until a gang of students blew them out. Or don't you know what a
'talib' is?


Convincing the undecided people we're serious is key

What 'undecided people'?

and is what
happened in Iraq. Also, like Iraq, is setting up a gov't that can
continue and defend themselves, and provide training nd support to
them to get there.

They're US puppets.

I thought you were in the 'free and fair elections' business.



--
William Black


"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke
when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how
many Spanish sword and buckler men he could
beat single handed with a quarterstaff.

In article ,
says...

On 27/03/2012 14:47, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:21 pm, "David E.
wrote:
Iraq is going OK except for the idiotic decision not to get at least
training and advisory units based there, plus air force ones that then
need for air cover, though that can be done from Kuwait to a certain
extent. As a guard force ot cut back on Iranian meddling.

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed.

The gov't in DC now doesn't want to do what was done in Iraq and
provide proper numbers in the short term to get things done right.

neither is winnable and iraq is detoriating. expect both countries to
have civil wars.

both espically afghanistan have have made war since biblical times.

do you believe we can stop hat?

Would a civil war prevent anti-Western terrorist groups from using
Afghanistan as a refuge? If so when and how do we start the civil war?

As there was a civil war going on when the Twin Towers fell and as Civil
War is the usual state in Afghanistan, I doubt it...

--
William Black


"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke
when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how
many Spanish sword and buckler men he could
beat single handed with a quarterstaff.

"David E. Powell" writes:

Iraq is going OK except for the idiotic decision not to get at least
training and advisory units based there, plus air force ones that then
need for air cover, though that can be done from Kuwait to a certain
extent. As a guard force ot cut back on Iranian meddling.

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed.

The gov't in DC now doesn't want to do what was done in Iraq and
provide proper numbers in the short term to get things done right.

I volunteer to drop you in there personally, so you can "sort it out", since you obviously relish the idea hugely.
--
Gernot Hassenpflug

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:

"David E. Powell" Dav.m writes:

Iraq is going OK except for the idiotic decision not to get at least
training and advisory units based there, plus air force ones that
then need for air cover, though that can be done from Kuwait to a
certain extent. As a guard force ot cut back on Iranian meddling.

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed.

The gov't in DC now doesn't want to do what was done in Iraq and
provide proper numbers in the short term to get things done right.

I volunteer to drop you in there personally, so you can "sort it out",
since you obviously relish the idea hugely.

Maybe he has thermonuclear weapons.

Dennis

Bill wrote:

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed.

Every imperial general since Alexander the Great has said as much.

The Afghans beat them all.

A recent Russian general said, 'Taking Tora Bora is quite a feat. I should
know - I did it three times! But how do you keep it when you've got it?"

Dennis

bob haller wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:21 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:

Iraq is going OK except for...

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed.


neither is winnable and iraq is detoriating.

and Iraq is not over...the U.S. will leave...(the wars have cost us 3 trillion)...

but now every nation knows if it dares defy the U.S., it *must* have a WMD.

Il 27/03/2012 20:10, David E. Powell ha scritto:
On Mar 27, 7:17 am, wrote:
In article7e65b734-93fa-4a45-b79d-f214dcf585a8
@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com, says...

Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as
Iraq was if the same policy is followed

You know every imperial general since Alexander the Great thought that.

So far the Afghans have beaten them all...

Except it isn't imperial in the traditional sense. There is a huge
Afghan contingent with us. Heck the whole Anti-Taliban Northern
Alliance formed the core of the government that came into place in
2002. Convincing the undecided people we're serious is key and is what
happened in Iraq.

I wonder of your meaning of "imperial" and "traditional", 'cuz you're
basically describing the political and military policies used in a
certain city not far from me.....

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.